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Welcome to Duality Check, the podcast where two brothers embark on a journey through the
realms of scientific inquiry, the mysteries of the past, and the uncharted realms of spirituality.
Join us as we explore the wonders of our world and beyond, all while embracing the roles of
curious bystanders. Together we'll unravel the tapestry of existence, blending the dichotomies
of knowledge and wonder. Get ready to question, ponder, and delve into the dualities that shape
our understanding of reality on Duality Check. I'm Drew. And I'm Dean. Welcome to the fourth
installment of our Reincarnation series. Yeah. It's episode 23. Ep 23. Let's go. Yeah, we
are beyond the... a year of podcasting.
So, yeah. So just up in the forefront we got some restless kids tonight so far so if you
notice a splice in anything it's just cuz yeah splice in the audio it's just cuz we gotta
pop out real quick. Yeah. I hear some crying. Yeah. Maybe we just do it here. Okay. I'll
be back. All right. And we're back. Took the first break. We've almost got two minutes in
and yeah, baby break right off the bat. Totally. All that is settled down? Question mark? Hopefully
he falls back asleep. So OpenAI had some announcements. Yeah. Wanted to fill you in. I read a post
about it, or I flipped through it and saw something, but I didn't have no idea what the actual news
is. Yeah, yeah. I watched the demo. It was pretty impressive. So essentially what they've done
is modified their model to. be more what's called multimodal. So like right now, when we talk
to chat GPT on the podcast, we're talking to the microphone. It's going into chat GPT. It's
being converted from voice to text. And then that text is going into chat GPT. Then it processes
it. It spits out text. And then that text uses a v. text to voice model to convert GPT's text
back into a voice What the multimodal model does is it allows the audio itself to go in
as an input Yeah, it's not being switched to text first so that allows the model to not
just pick up the words you're saying, but pick up your intonation, your mood. Like it can
essentially try to analyze whatever you're saying in audio form and respond in kind. And in the
same way, its output allows it to output directly into audio. And what that allows for is for
the GPT voice to actually emote because it's not just taking text and putting a voice to
it. It's actually spitting out audio in the correct intonation and rhythm and inflection.
As your own. Yeah, so during the demo, they were doing these really cool things like having
it read a bedtime story. Oh.
Once upon a time in a world not too different from ours, there was a robot named Bite. Bite
was a curious robot. And then there were like, make your voice sound super epic. And then
it got more intense as it was reading the story. Got it. Let's add some drama. Once upon a time
in a world not too different from ours. There was a robot named bite. And then they're like,
no, I want like maximal expression. And it got all animated. It was like once upon a time.
It's like, yeah. Understood. Let's amplify the drama. Once upon a time in a world not too
different from ours, there was a robot named bite. And then they're like, can you? because
it was like a story about a robot or something. Like, can you tell the story in a robot voice?
And then it switched to being like, once upon a time. Like, it was pretty cool. I can actually
play characters for you. Yeah. Initiating dramatic robotic voice. Once upon a time in a world
not too different from ours, there was a robot named Byte. Byte was a curious robot. Which
is pretty cool. And it's much faster.
I feel like we're going to get a lot of that in audible. Audible books are going to be using
that a lot instead of paying actors. That would be cool. Yeah. That's going to happen at some
point. Yeah, for sure. From this, specifically. I'm sure Amazon has its own AI stuff that it's
developing. But that technology will essentially probably be what. ends up reading audio. I
mean, even if it's not Audible, others, other platforms, could utilize it right away once
they... I mean, once it also, they have, they've increased the amount of tokens, I believe.
Oh, the amount of times you can use it? Well, it's the... Or the times out, or what is that?
It's the, a token in AI is like essentially a piece of a word. So like... One word, if
it's a long word, might be multiple tokens. A really short word might be one token. But
a token is just like a chunk of a word. And they count how much you can input into the
AI by the number of tokens you can put in. OK. It's just how they word things. Anyway, but
yeah, I think now I'm confusing that with the Google one, because Google said they're. Increasing
theirs to like a million tokens and then in the summer they're gonna increase it to two
million which is Essentially like the entire Harry Potter series three times over So they're
gonna that but that is the Google and I don't know how big open a eyes is now Anyway, a lot
of people were increasing their all while they're increasing their Database to like the stuff
they're pulling from right? Well, no, so they didn't update the model. It's still cut off
at like June 2023, as far as its last information update. So what they essentially did was expanded
it to be multimodal rather than update the information in it and like focus on making it smarter.
So it's only like minorly smarter than it used to be. It's not, that's why they called it
4.0 instead of five. I see. So, and they also made most of the features available to free
users now. Oh, really? Yeah. So now the main benefit you get from paying for it is just
that it's got a longer memory for you, and I think you get bigger token limits and faster
response times. If they need to throttle super access, they're going to throttle the free
people for the paid people. Right. But that's cool. So we don't have access to it just yet.
Like they did, they launched a new app. So there's a desktop app. And then there's like a new
separate thing now for that? Yeah, so now you can launch the Chat GPT app and that's where
you'll be able to just talk directly to it. Oh, I see it's an actual app instead of just
using the web. So right now we're kind of using it kind of hacky with the Mia AI plugin. that
allows us to talk to it and it to talk back. But this is like full on, it doesn't need a
plugin. It won't need that anymore. It'll be direct and the voices will be better. So that'll
be pretty fun to play with once it's released to the public. So whenever they release it,
we will be using it. Heck yeah. Yeah. That'll be fun. We'll do our second chat GBT with that.
in our second episode, like having them as a co-host. But it can do other things too. Like,
you can like, if you have it on your phone app, you can like give it access to the camera and
then like show it things and ask it what's in the photo, or like what is this type stuff.
Talk about things that are like in your environment. Because Google Assistant kind of does that.
Google Assistant does that. Or like I saw one demo where they were using the desktop app
with like some sort of online meeting, like a Zoom meeting or something. And it's able
to like watch the video and listen to the meeting and tell who's talking. And you can have it
take notes for you. Yeah, it'll actually be able to know the difference between our voices
essentially. Oh cool. When we use it through audio because it'll hear the different voices.
Yeah. You just have to introduce yourself so it can attach the name to the voice. Yeah,
that's going to be fun. Yeah. That'll be really fun. Sick. Yeah. So that's some pretty cool
stuff coming down the road. This is getting close. A lot of people after the event, they
were talking about, we've essentially reached the movie Her.
where you basically can just talk to this thing. Yeah. And once they're like the full phone
operator, like once Siri is this thing, and it's not just a chat bot that can do some tasks
because it's part of your UI. Like this as a part of your UI on a phone would be like pretty
drastic change to how people use phones, probably. Yeah, because a lot of people- Especially you
have your earbuds and like- Mm-hm. Or your AirPods or your headphones. You got two types of people.
You got the type of people who use Siri, even with all its messed up limitations. And you
got the people who won't use it because it's stupid. So after they make Siri a real AI,
it'll change the context. And probably a lot more people will end up using it. And now that
they got the Vision Pros or the new. Mm-hmm. The VR headset, yeah, the Vision Pro. It's
like augmented and VR, yeah. I think you can do both. But the augmented part of it's pretty
cool, where you can have a bunch of screens up, and it's all within your living space.
But it's also clunky. I mean, it's $3,500 cool, but it's cool. No, definitely not. But it's
cool. Like, if somebody had, I want to try it. Yeah, I would love to. You can actually go
to the Apple Store and try it if you want. Oh, really? Yeah. I want to do that. I think you
have to set an appointment, but you can do it. Yeah, so like having eventually having like
what would be wearable glasses being able to do something like that. Oh, right. With earbuds
that eventually are going to get small enough where you can just kind of like pop it in your
ear. Yeah, we got to be like five or 10 years away from like, like a pretty reasonable looking
set of glasses, maybe a little thick. Sure. That have a camera built in. And speakers,
like the Temple speakers. Have you seen those? I have, yeah. Those are phone connection speakers.
Yeah, so if you were to wear a, and then essentially that device was just paired to your phone,
so now your phone with its AI can see what you see and hear what you hear and talk to you,
then you could just go throughout your day and ask AI about anything you experience. Yeah.
Which is crazy. And basically, we're a step away from it being able to read your thoughts,
but in any moment of your day, say you see a certain thing that you want to remember, but
you also have to put it in your phone to remember it, or you just have to remember it. But now
you can just have it kind of cataloged, and it could be seeing it, and you could reference
that moment back. Yeah. I just hope that... What was that thing that I saw that I said
I wanted to get? Yeah. Or whatever. I just hope the open source community keeps developing
essentially on par with the big corporations, because it all sounds like a nightmare if it's
all data being collected and going to some centralized company. Yeah, I think that's a drastic change
in technology that needs to happen. Yeah. I don't think I would be secure. Like I would
feel comfortable like wearing something all day that was like feeding info about everything
I do to accompany Which is essentially what our phones are already doing, but it would
be worse Mm-hmm. So I mean that's kind of like the plot of that ready player one movie Where
they're fighting for the control over this like whole ecosystem of technology and gaming and
metaverse that they had and corporate entity that wants to take it over to make as much
money as possible instead of making it open and free. Right, right. So yeah, AI is continuing
to progress. Apparently, there's supposed to be a lot of other companies announcing stuff
in the next couple weeks. So this will be a time to pay attention to that stuff. Curious
what Apple's going to do. They are doing much in the way of AI other than their. They've
got their WWD. DC event in June, which is when they always announce their new software platforms.
And the theme this year is AI. So we'll see. We might see something like what we just described.
I mean, if the technology is out there and they've been working on it for a sufficient amount
of time. I haven't heard anyone. When's the last big update? I haven't heard anyone who
has claimed that Apple is ahead of the pack in any way. So. I mean, they did spend a lot
of resources and time. And there's been rumors that they're talking to Google and they're
talking to OpenAI. So it could be that they use one of those to power Siri rather than
their own thing. Hey, OpenAI would be fine. I mean, I guess as long as Apple could get
them to respect the user privacy. True. But I don't know. I mean, they would have to. It
seems like a focus that they help or they project at least. They do project it. They claim that
they're the privacy company. I don't know to what degree they actually are. But they do
at least do some stuff right. So anyway, do you have any other stories or anything you
want to cover? No. I mean, I sent you, I sent Duality Check a few Instagram posts, but I
didn't really, nothing specific, it was more just like fun, cool stuff that I found. Okay.
But I did. Do you want to play any of those? Let's go look. Yeah, are you able to pull it
up? Let's look on the break. Maybe we'll come back because I don't want to pause. So if you're
ready to hop in, I can introduce us in a little bit. I wanted to, because we've been talking
about all these different cultures that believe in reincarnation. I just wanted to give a little
rundown on some of the different cultures and what they believe and how they are all connected.
Before you do that, there's one other thing I want to talk about. Have you listened to
the latest Joe Rogan with the, This is a strange name. I gotta check this guy's book out. Is
it God's side? No, it's not God's side. It is Rizwan Verk. No. Yeah, it's a newer one that
just came out. I am not. So this guy, his career was in video games and computer science. And
then after some video game success, he became an investor in Silicon Valley.
And then he started dealing with some health issues and every time he tried to go back to
work, he'd get sick. So he ended up like going down a different path in writing and because
there were stuff he had always wanted to write about. So he starts kind of following that
and his purpose and he ends up writing books about simulation theory. And so the whole show
is about simulation theory. And he's got an interesting take on it that I hadn't exactly
heard that variation of. Cause normally when you hear people talk about simulation theory,
it's almost like, It's almost like they're trying to still cling to the materialism world view,
but just like put it in a simulation. Right. Put a different flare on it. Um, whereas this
guy, he's spent a ton of time, like checking out different, like religious and spiritual
traditions. He's like looked into like the yogis and shamans and, um, and UFOs and like his,
Trying to find the patterns or something. His breadth of like research. Regarding it. Yeah,
so his approach is He says essentially what all the world religions are telling us is that
this world is an illusion. This world isn't real and That's also what? physicists are starting
to get at with quantum physics and that's essentially what Simulation theory is suggesting Yeah,
and so it's almost like of a more of a kind of a spiritual take and the simulation theory,
you know, because, you know, if there is heaven and hell and like souls and the afterlife and
all of this, then like, what is the physical world other than some sort of like false reality
when that is the root reality that everything comes from, right? So in a way you could call
it a simulation or you could call it an illusion or the matrix or whatever, but whatever it
is. Right, it's not exactly the real, which also ties back into the secret history of the
world. 100%, yeah. I was gonna make that connection as well. Yeah, I mean, it really does, all
the different things that have happened. Yeah, so at the root, based on history and stuff,
or from all the stories of all these esoteric, historical figures and stuff, it's all just
an illusion. Even their whole thing is like an allegory and like, you know, like they are
trying to portray everything from the beginning to be an illusion and it's like the material
world is real to This part of the like the entirety like this area it's almost like it's segmented
Yeah, like there's areas where the laws of gravity aren't as if like the different dimensions
like there's areas where of this overall simulation. Yeah. Or once you leave this one, you die.
Your programming, your soul, whatever it might be, is transported through different dimensions.
And you might live in different material worlds that all have different
physics and have my, you know, basically whatever. And if there is a creator like... The creator
could just be a really good damn programmer that knows how to use, that actually knows
how to program a life and we might just be in some tesseract on some dude, some, you know,
being desk. And it's all just the program that they work on and they're able to achieve it,
you know. He even tries to connect it to like the Mandela effect and everything. He's like,
this is. If it's a simulation, simulations are designed to run multiple times. Yeah. Right?
And so it's possible that sometimes the simulation gets rerun, and there's a slight variation.
And some people still remember the old version. And so maybe that's where some of this Mandela
effect type stuff is coming from. And then he also related a story about some asufi mystic.
which is like of the Islamic tradition. And he had said something to the effect of that.
Mm.
I'm losing the quote. Okay, so what he was, what the Sufi mystic was saying was something
along the lines of that essentially that there's a type of creature that like the jinn that
has the ability to make changes in the world but doesn't have the ability to change people's
memories. And so they can actually change like physical things and it can end up leaving.
certain people remembering certain things while other people remember other things. It's interesting.
But yeah, he just tied together a lot of different areas and like attached them all to simulation
theory, which was pretty unique. I definitely have to, because I love simulation theory and
all the different variations of it. And this does seem different from a lot of them that
I've heard. Yeah, yeah. It's pretty cool. I'm gonna have to check out his book because he's
intriguing me. Yeah, that'll be our next. Series not next but it'll be a future series. It'll
be a future series. I'm pretty sure Anyway, yeah cool. So should we do our first? Reincarnation
story for the day. So let me lead it in Oh, yeah, maybe we might have to take a break but
unless you want to do it We'll probably have enough time for one story but so yeah, we like
I was saying we were Talked about a lot of these cultures and their religions and but we didn't
really describe exactly their beliefs in and what their beliefs are in it. So one of them
is Hinduism. In Hindu philosophy, reincarnation is known as samsara, a cycle of birth, death,
and rebirth governed by one's actions or karma. The ultimate goal is to achieve maksha or liberation
from the cycle of reincarnation, which is attained by realizing one's true nature as adaman or
the soul. and its unity with the Brahman, the ultimate reality. So that's their belief in
reincarnation. Buddhism, similar to Hinduism, Buddhism teaches the cycle of rebirth, which
is influenced by karma. However, Buddhism's concept of reincarnation does not involve a
permanent soul. Instead, it's a continuation of a flux of consciousness that links one life
to another. Enlightenment or Nirvana is achieved by extinguishing all desires and attachments,
thus ending the cycle of rebirth. Jainism, Jain beliefs also include the cycle of reincarnation,
where every living being has a soul that seeks ultimate liberation. The soul's rebirth in
various forms of life is based on karma. accumulated through good or bad deeds. Liberation is achieved
through ethical living, non-violence and self-purification. Sikhism, Sikhs believe in reincarnation, but
emphasize that the cycle of birth and death can be transcended through meditative remembrance
of God leading to spiritual liberation. And then, Taoism have some, they believe that reincarnation
is possible but is not inevitable. They focus more on achieving spiritual immortality through
the Tao, the fundamental nature of the universe. There are some Native American and indigenous
beliefs. Various tribes hold beliefs in a form of reincarnation often involving the soul's
journey. and transformation through different existential planes or return of the spirit
to the community in new forms. African and Afro-Caribbean religions, some traditional African religions
and Afro-Caribbean faiths like Candombol and Santeria believe in the- Santeria. believe
in the reincarnation of ancestors and the continual presence of these spirits within their communities.
And then some of the New Age and Western esoteric beliefs in the West. Reincarnation has been
popularized through New Age and esoteric schools of thought, often drawing on both Eastern religions
and Western metaphysical concepts, emphasizing personal spiritual development and the progression
of the soul through multiple lifetimes. So yeah, basically the common thread is, you know, the
continuation of quote unquote souls moving through different forms of life on a journey. Right,
right. Yeah, it makes me think of that podcast because he was also, he also talked about reincarnation
and incorporated it in. And his view was that like, you know, imagine Like what's our closest
analog to the simulation is video games, right? And like, if you sit down to play a video game,
like you have a certain set of outside knowledge, right? And then you sit down in that chair
and you make a decision to play the game, right? You boot it up. There's some goal you have
in mind. Like you're either there to have fun or you're there to like, maybe you sit down
in your big MMO or RPG your goal this session is to complete a certain quest line or whatever,
right? And then you turn on the game and boop, your avatar wakes up and like your avatar doesn't
have the knowledge you have. You as the outside entity, outside of the simulation have these
goals, your avatar doesn't. You control the avatar, you bring the avatar into existence
and you give it its reason for being even though it doesn't know what its reason for being is.
And so if you then sit down and you're playing the game and you don't achieve that goal, then
you log off and next time you sit down, maybe you go for it again. And so maybe that's kind
of like, essentially what's going on with reincarnation is like you set up your goals for a life, the
things you're logging in to achieve, and you're agreeing to like losing access to all those
memories because but you don't need your avatar to necessarily remember everything. You're
essentially picking like where and when and who you're born to in order to set your life
up for the game you wanna play this time around. Or the thing you're ultimately, your goal,
the goal you set. Right. And then, you know, if you end up not going down that life path.
Or things happen in the game that change your, change the way, the outcome. Like if it's,
if we're thinking of like a super advanced game where they have choices built into it, where
your choices actually change the outcome of the video game, they have different storylines
based on your choices. Right. So then once that life is over and you reintegrate all those
memories into your, you know, whatever spiritual body or whatever, then at that point, you know,
you might reincarnate to actually go and achieve the goal you set out to achieve previously.
Yeah. But yeah, he likens the whole thing to like, to like, he's like, there's different
types of video games, right? Like you've got like, you've got like single player games,
like maybe they're set in some big fantasy world, but it's the single player game. And so like
everyone around you is all NPCs. You're the only one, like who represents a real consciousness
in there. And then you've got, like these big MMORPGs where there's all these other characters
or other humans. And they have their own consciousness outside that game world. But you don't like
you, you don't have direct observation of that either. Just like when like I look at you,
I don't have access to seeing like the soul that is like pressing the keyboard controller
to control you. But dude, you know, it's weird. When we're talking about this, I could see
in, yeah, give us and our current trajectory with technology, give us with no calamities,
nothing to destroy us. We eventually get to a point where we're mostly peaceful throughout
the world and we just try to live harmonious, right? And we get to a point where our technology
is so good. Not everybody's, not everything's perfect, you know, cause that's just never
gonna happen. But we get to a point, give us a thousand years. We have the technology to
be able to plug into our own simulation that we're created to exactly mimic our life. But
you can do exactly that. You set a goal. It's a one time play per version. Right? You plug
into that character. You have to live out that entire character's life. But it's like a hit
of DMT or something, where it's only like a 15 minute experience. But that happened in
a Rick and Morty episode. Well, that's perfect. I've never seen that episode. Yeah, Morty goes
to some arcade and he like plugs in, puts on a headset, and it freaking transports him into
another universe. And he goes and he lives an entire life. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it comes
to some tragic end and he wakes up and he's like, Rick, what the hell just happened? Yeah.
That's what I mean. Like that's basically it. Yeah. That's kind of that idea is like, I can
see us as humans in our existence and still being connected to our own existential. Like
if we don't move that route, we're definitely going to go to this technological route and
we might be able to within that discover. what it is that we've been searching for, but in
our own technology where we see it being possible. It's also possible, and he brought up this
idea, but then they kind of ended up shifting topics and didn't fully explore it. But I think
I know where he was going with it, which was they were talking about, there's also a third
option, which is some sort of hybrid approach, where there's NPCs and there's player characters
mixed in, and also your player character. may be able to do actions while you're not logged
in. So your own avatar can be in NPC mode. And that's where like all the mystical traditions
on like how to get like in that right path of your life, like follow your flow and whatnot.
It's possible essentially to live your life in a way where you're an NPC or it's possible
to live your life very consciously and purposely. Which makes me think of things like people
who struggle with addiction, where they're like losing control of the choices in their life,
you know, like they feel like they don't control their own brain and their own desires. But
yeah, it's a very advanced simulation. If it's a, if this is all a simulation, like, that
was perfect way to end our first segment. We'll come back with our first story on reincarnation.
Alrighty, we'll be right back.
for our second segment of Duality Check. And we have that show pre-recorded now, so this
will actually be a couple of weeks after it's happened. But for us, it would just pass the
weekend with the big geomagnetic storm. Yeah. It was a coronal mass ejection, wasn't it?
Yeah. I think it was a giant sunspot. And I just watched a video apparently the sunspot
is similar in size and character to the one that caused the Carrington event Yeah, and
that was the one that knocked out all of the like the telephone poles and like cause a bunch
of fires and stuff Because a lot of that was like I think it was before telephone. I think
it was like Telegraph it was telegraph at the time like a lot of the electronics like exploded
and Yeah, so this was a major solar eruption, CME, that came out of that sunspot. And it
hit with like five bursts. I saw the animation of it. It was like, poof, poof. And we go right,
we orbited right through that. So we got hit hard. And auroras were visible. Down to like,
like. Hawaii. Yeah. And then in the south, southern hemisphere, they said is as far north as like
Queensland, which I'm not sure how far north that is. No, that's Australia. But pretty close.
It's like everywhere about the equator. Almost. Yeah. Right. And like a few hundred miles,
right. So, yeah. If you have any cool photos or you got to see really good pictures of the
Aurora, put them in the comments. Send an email. My coworker lives in the Michigan area and
she sent me a bunch of photos and dude, they're... Really cool. Yeah, I wish I could see them.
Especially up in Michigan, like that far north where they can already see the Northern Lights
a lot anyway. Right. Like, they got... A big show. They got a big show, yeah. I saw some
videos where people were like right underneath, like they were up in the Arctic somewhere and
they were like right underneath. Like that animation where he shows the magnetosphere and how it
funnels into the North and South. And they're right underneath that. And the view that's
not right, but they're pretty close where they're seeing this massive influx of particles hitting
the barrier and just shooting off in the light. Because other people just see a gentle glow
and changing of colors. But it was intense in that video that I saw. I wish I would have
had it ready. So what's interesting about the event is that it didn't blow everything up.
Right. There's a couple countries, I know South Africa was one of them, where they did have
a bunch of like Transformers explode, but most countries didn't. Which was a worry. Yeah.
When they first, yeah, it was a big concern. There was only like minor disruption to GPS.
We didn't lose any satellites, not even the SpaceX ones that, because apparently what happens
when, when the CME hits the atmosphere, it heats up the upper atmosphere which causes it to
expand out into space further. And that atmosphere expanding further into space affects low Earth
satellite orbits. And the lowest satellite or the lowest Earth orbits are the Starlink ones.
And yeah, not even any of those came down from the storm. And so scientists are actually kind
of scratching their head trying to figure out like why it wasn't that bad I did notice some
weird like unusual like internet things that day. Mm-hmm Like it just was slower or maybe
there was just more people using it and trying to like watch it Yeah, look at videos. I don't
know what was going on, but it did seem like it was a little more sluggish Yeah, and you
know that that's to be expected but dude and this happens right after a full solar eclipse
too Yeah. So crazy galactic universal stuff going on. Yeah. So I watched this video. And
Tom Petrov, who I always watch his videos on YouTube, he does a bunch of science stories
daily and they're short videos. He did a whole segment on this. I'll link the video. But yeah,
he was like, scientists around the world are just trying to figure out either A, we don't
fully understand these events. because we expected an event of this magnitude to have major ramifications
for our technology. Disruptions, yeah. Or we've actually done a better job of shielding our
electronics than we thought we did. But you've heard people speculate about if another quarantine
event were to happen today, that it would destroy a. like our computers and everything, but that
didn't happen, so. Or this is an alternate universe that started the day that this all happened.
Oh, but he did also point out though, cause we're in solar cycle 25. Oh, sorry, did I miss
your joke? No, it's fine. I'll probably say it again, don't worry. Yeah, I didn't even
process it. I still don't even know what it was. I've already forgotten it. But yeah, he
was saying the other thing about it is like, we're in solar cycle 25, and we're not yet
at the peak. So the peak of this solar cycle is supposed to happen next year. So we're actually
still at risk in this solar cycle for another big one. Well, current trends. I don't know.
But we'll see. Anyway, let's. Let's talk about some reincarnation, eh? Let's go. All right,
so we're on chapter seven of Life Before Life. And this is the story of Sam Taylor. Sam Taylor
is a boy from Vermont who was born a year and a half after his paternal grandfather died.
When Sam was one and a half years old, his father was changing his diaper one day, and Sam told
him. When I was your age, I used to change your diapers." After his mother saw the puzzled
look on his father's face as he brought Sam out of his room, they discussed the comment,
which they both found odd. Neither had given reincarnation much thought. Though Sam's mother
was the daughter of a Southern Baptist minister, his parents were not religious. Following that
incident, Sam gradually began saying that he had been his grandfather. He also said, I used
to be big, now I'm small. While his father was initially skeptical about such a possibility,
his mother was more open to the idea and she began asking him questions about the life of
his paternal grandfather. At one point, she and Sam were talking about the fact that his
grandmother had taken care of his grandfather before he died. Sam's mother asked him what
his grandmother made every day for his grandfather to drink. And Sam correctly said that she...
had made milkshakes and that he had made them in a machine in the kitchen. He got up to show
her the food processor on the kitchen counter. When his mother showed him the blender in the
pantry and asked if he meant that his grandmother had made the milkshakes with it, he said no
and pointed to the food processor instead. In fact, his grandmother had made milkshakes for
his grandfather in the food processor. She then had a series of strokes after the death of
his grandfather and Sam had never... seen her make milkshakes for anyone. At another time,
Sam's mother asked him if he had any brothers or sisters when he lived before. He answered,
yeah, I had a sister. She turned into a fish. You know what? When we die, God lets us come
back again. I used to be big and now I'm a kid again. The sister of Sam's grandfather, in
fact, had been killed some 60 years before. Her husband killed her while she was sleeping.
rolled her body up in a blanket and dumped it in the bay. At other times, Sam correctly said
that his grandfather's favorite place in the home was the garage where he worked on inventions,
and that Sam's father had a small steering wheel of his own when they rode the car. When his
father was a boy, he had a toy steering wheel that attached the dashboard of the car by suction
cups.
When Sam was four and a half years old, his grandmother died. His father flew out to her
home to take care of her belongings and returned with a box of family photos. Sam's parents
had not had any pictures of his father before, or of his father's family before then. When
his mother spread them out on the coffee table one night, Sam came over and began pointing
to the pictures of his grandfather and saying, That's me! When he saw a snapshot that showed
a car without any people, he said, hey, that's my car. It was a picture of the very first
new car that his grandfather ever purchased, a 1949 Pontiac that was very special to him.
His mother gave Sam a class picture from when his grandfather was in grammar school. The
picture showed 27 children, 16 of them boys. Sam ran his finger over the faces, stopped
on his grandmother's or his grandfather's face and said, that's me. His father says that Sam's
grandfather did not communicate very well about emotional issues with the sons, particularly
when they were adults. Sam's father let his own father know how he felt about him, but
his father had a great difficulty reciprocating. He feels that if his father has come back through
Sam, then his deceased father is reaching out to him to return his love. Sam's father is
very open with all of his children. and he and Sam seem to have a very good relationship.
So yeah. Oh, wow.
That's cool because it's within the family and... Yeah, it's interesting. It's an American case,
which is rare.
The, uh, saying that his sister became a fish was pretty dark. Yeah, no kidding. Especially
finding out how she died. Yeah. Yeah, that was... But like... I mean, that could be just something
that he heard or something, you know? I guess, but there's also no way a kid like that young
would have known that his grand... or that his dad used a... suction cup steering wheel on
a car. Yeah, that detail passed over my head. I didn't hear that. Yeah. He said to his dad
that he used to drive him around and that he had a steering wheel or something. Where does
it say that? Interesting. Yeah. But it turned out that his dad did, in fact, have a toy steering
wheel that attached to the dashboard with suction cups as a kid. Oh, it's like a pretend wheel.
Yeah. Oh, I see. I see. Just like a toy steering wheel. Yeah, I need to get Wyatt one of those.
He would love that. He would. He'd probably crash the car. Oh, my gosh. Not a real one,
no. But he's already a backseat driver. Because if I'm sitting at a stop sign or stop light
or something and I take my hands off the wheel, he can see me through his little mirror. Uh-huh.
He's like, dad, you need to put your hands on the wheel to drive. He knows so much. And now
he looks through and he can see the lights because every time we stop, he's like, why are we stopped?
I'm like, it's the light. He's like, the red light? Yeah, it turns green. And then he'll
look and be like, it's green. Go. Backseat driving. I know. At a young age. It's funny. All right,
you ready for another case? Yeah. This is the case of Nazee al-Danaf. One case that involved
several recognitions is the case of Nazee al-Danaf in Lebanon. At a very early age, Nazee described
a past life to his parents and his seven siblings, all of whom were available for interviews.
Nazee described the life of a man that his family did not know. He said that the man carried
pistols and grenades and that he had a pretty wife and young children, that he had a two-story
house with trees around it and a cave nearby, that he had a mute friend and that he had been
shot by a group of men. His father reported that Nazee demanded that his parents take him
to his previous house in a small town 10 miles away. They took him to that town along with
two of his sisters and a brother when he was six years old. About a half mile from the town,
Nazee asked them to stop at a dirt road running off the main road. He told them that the road
came to a dead end where there was a cave, but they drove on without confirming this. When
they got to the center of town, six roads converged, and Nazee's father asked him which way to go.
Nazee pointed to the one of... roads and said to go on it until they came to a road that
forked off upward where they would see his house. When they got to the first fork that went up
the family got out and began asking about anyone who had died in the way that Nazi had described.
They quickly discovered that a man named Fuad who had a house on the road before dying ten
years prior to Nazi's birth seemed to fit Nazi's statements. Fuad's widow asked Nazi who built
the of the gate. Oh, who built the foundation of this gate at the entrance of the house?
And Nazi correctly answered, a man from the Faraj family. The group then went into the
house where Nazi correctly described how Fuad had kept his weapons in a cupboard. The widow
asked him if she had an accident at their previous home and Nazi gave accurate details of her
accident. She also asked if he remembered what had made their young daughter seriously ill,
and Nazee correctly responded that she had accidentally taken some of her father's pills. He also accurately
described a couple of other incidents from the previous personality's life. The widow and
her five children were all very impressed with the knowledge of Nazee, and they were convinced
that he was the rebirth of Fuad. Soon after that meeting, Nazeeb visited Fuad's brother,
Sheikh Adib. When Nazeeb saw him, he ran up saying, here comes my brother, Adib. Sheikh
Adib asked Nazeeb for proof that he was his brother. And Nazeeb said, I gave you a Cheki
16. A Cheki 16 is a type of pistol from Czechoslovakia that is not common in Lebanon. And Fuad had
indeed given his brother one. then asked Nazi where his original house was. And Nazi led
him down the road until he said correctly, this is the house of my father. And this, the next
house, is my first house. When they went in the latter house where Fuad's first wife still
lived, and when Sheikha Deeb later asked who she was, Nazi correctly gave her name. Sheikh
Adib then showed Nazi a photograph of three men and asked him who they were. Nazi pointed
to each and correctly gamed the names of Adib, Fuad, and a deceased brother of theirs. Sheikh
Adib showed Nazi another picture. Nazi had said correctly that the man in it was the father
of those men. Later, Sheikh Adib visited Nazi's home. and he took a handgun with him. He asked
Nazee if this was the gun that Fuad had given him and Nazee correctly said that it was not.
Well. Dr. Haraldson investigated Nazee's case and he was able to verify most of the statements
that Nazee made, including the claim that the previous personality had a mute friend. He
also found out that Nazee's description of Fuad's house matched another one in which Fuad lived
for several years, including the time
during which the house in town, which was not fully completed at the time of Fuad's death,
was being built. The former house was by a dirt road that Nazee had pointed out during the
family's first visit to the previous town, and a cave was also at the end of it as Nazee had
said. If the families in the case are remembering events correctly, then Nazee's statement seemed
very difficult to explain by normal means. His spontaneous recognitions of the locations of
two houses that the previous personality had owned are quite impressive by themselves. Adding
his ability to correctly point out the previous personality's first house makes coincidence
seem an unlikely explanation. On top of these, His statements to Fuad's family about various
small details are also notable. His statement about the Checke 16 pistol is particularly
impressive in a number of ways, one being that his knowledge could not have arisen from any
environmental cues. His ability to change the names of the men or to state the names of the
men in the picture is more impressive than cases in which a child simply points to a member
of the previous personality's family. since environmental cues would lead him to know the
names that he gave. Informants stated that Nazee had not seen pictures of the previous personality
before he identified him in the group photograph, and Sheikh Adib was certain that, with the
possible exception of his wife, no one knew that Fuad had given him a Cheki 16 pistol.
So there's no way that knowledge could have gotten to him. I mean, this case and many of
the other ones too, it's like, so many coincidences have to line up or you have to have the world's
most elaborate hoaxer. The world's most planned, like, and there's so many of them. It's not
like one person going around like doing this or like, it's... And especially like... Like
what is the motivation for the hoax when there's not like some big insurance payment? Sure.
Like there's not some way to get like wealthy off of like the claim that you know a past
life. I mean, other than like if the past life was a wealthy family and you essentially try
and like scam them into- Like give me my money back. Right, you scam them into believing that
your son is a reborn member of their family. But none of these cases of our have been that.
So. No. In fact, we've seen the opposite. Yeah, quite the opposite. Right. So. So fascinating.
I mean, these stories are so, so good. The next one's pretty long. So maybe we hang it until
after the break. I don't know. But. Sounds good. Let's. Do you want to play that little, just
real quick? Yeah, let's do that. And then we can talk about that for a little bit. OK. So
Drew prepared this video by Jenny Claffy. I just found her after kind of like going down
a little bit of rabbit hole in some of the reincarnation stuff. She's a YouTuber. And this is a video
called Proof of Reincarnation, Two Insane Stories of Past Lives. And so do you know which life
she's talking about here? Can you kind of like prompt? what it is a bit before we play it?
Yeah, a bit. So it's about this little girl named Lottie who was, she was murdered in her
past life, but like, you know, a little bit like moody like around the subject, but she
would like spontaneously like say stuff, which prompted her parent, her mom to investigate.
And basically just like through the statements, she talks about the being murdered, she talked
about how she was murdered and all the details like of it basically. And in the course of
their conversation, like her conversations with her mom, she recounted the fact of her there
being like a time in between. dying and being reborn again. Right. And what happens and what
she felt or what she experiences. It's kind of small clip. I've been kind of searching
for that. So I think that's the part we're going for. Yeah, because I'm kind of searching for
that. I want to, like I was talking about in the previous one. The time between lives. Yeah,
like what cases kind of talk about that. Right, right. So yeah, I think that's what drew me
to this video. All right, let's check this one out. Her mom said Lottie would be reluctant
to talk about her past life when questioned directly, often just kind of saying nothing
or kind of dismissing the questions, which she said was kind of out of character for Lottie.
She was a very talkative little kid. Now she only seemed to give information freely on her
own terms. And Jenny says she took this very seriously. And when she was talking, she said,
it was a very different vibe than when she was playing or pretending or playing make believe.
And Lottie would sometimes take days to answer a question, something that Jenny found to be
kind of fascinating because her little daughter had apparently been mulling over the question
in her mind for days. One day though, Lottie did recall her experience of dying to her mother.
Jenny was telling Lottie about a childhood pet she had. It was a dog called Maisie who had
actually recently died. Lottie asked her mom if she thinks Maisie will come back as another
dog. And Jenny replied, I don't know. Lottie said that Maisie won't be a new doggy yet because
she only died a few weeks ago. She said that you spend a bit of time dead first. Then she
told her mother that when she died, she turned to dust and floated into the sky. She said
she stayed there for a while and came back as Lottie. She said she isn't afraid to die again,
but it does make her sad because she likes being on earth. So in December, 1980. Interesting.
Yeah. So I thought that was pretty cool. Yeah. Dude. So. All this stuff is converging, man.
Like, a lot of these reincarnation stories kind of sound a lot like the Owaspy stories, too.
And even, you can even loop it in with, like, Chris Bledsoe and, like, his, like, the things
he's learned from the beings he's contacted by and, like, how, like, and, like, how, like,
some of his contacts who he references, like, some of the CIA people that are one of the
CIA people are. NSA or somebody who was like investigating him at one point. I can't remember
his name, but they became friends and, um, he like has been their friend for like years now.
But, uh, he was talking about how he thinks Chris Bledsoe is actually like a reincarnated
version, like part of the, like that bloodline or, or spirit, you know, whatever, or they
just chose him or whatever. Yeah. But somehow they're connected in some kind of, you know,
etheric way. Interesting. Huh. Yeah. But he never, which I gave him credit for, he never
like goes on the whole like Messiah path or like prophet path, which is, you know, He's
not trying to tell people how to live their lives other than to say, to just be good to
each other. You know? Really? Yeah. Well, yeah. Yeah. Anyway, cool. Well, uh. Take a break
off of that. Let's take a quick break. And when we are reborn into the next one, we'll continue.
See you in segment three.
Here we are, segment three. Segment three. So let's hop in and get some more stories.
I am pre trying to pre-announce this word in my head because this next name is the doozy.
Smart, that's smart. Take all the time we need.
Nana Talika? Okay. I'm gonna go with that. Yep. Full send it. Badwetana, which I will only
say this one time. So Nana Talika was born in Sri Lanka in 1956. And when she was two years
old, she began saying that she had a mother and a father along with two brothers and many
sisters in another place. After hearing about a town. Cala Waakele, that was 16 miles away,
Nana Talika began saying that she had lived there. And she said that she wanted to visit
her former parents there. When Nana Talika was four and a half years old, the neighbor wrote
about her to HSS Nisanka, a journalist who had written several articles about reincarnation
and who later obtained a PhD in international relations. He subsequently wrote a book about
Nana Talika's case, and I have taken numerous details from it. Dr. Nisanka decided to go
see the girl, and he asked a well-known Buddhist monk and teacher at a nearby college to accompany
him. They interviewed Nana Talika, and she described a number of incidents from a life in Talaquelle,
including one in which she had saw the queen as she traveled by train. She had not given
any names other than Tala Kwele and a sister named Laura, or sometimes Dora. Since Queen
Elizabeth had traveled through Sri Lanka in 1954, Dr. Nisanka and his companions assumed
that Nanatalika was describing someone from Tala Wakele who had died between the time of
that visit and Nanatalika's birth. 1956. Actually, they assume that the previous personality must
have died before Nana Talika's conception, but that is not an assumption that we would automatically
share. Dr. Nansanka wrote two articles about the case for a popular weekly newspaper, and
the three men then went to Tala
that information in the articles matched the life of a family member, a teenage boy named...
Ugh.
Tilly Keratney. Tilly Keratney, I'll go with that. A teenage boy named Tilly Keratney who
had died in November of 1954. Soon after that meeting, Tilly Keratney's teacher went to...
Nana Talika's home, along with two men, Tila Quirante had not known. Each of the men asked
Nana Talika if she knew him. She said no to two of them, but to her teacher, she said,
yes, you are him. She said no to, or yeah, she said, yes, you are from Talaquaquele. After
a moment, she commented that he had taught her and had never punished her, and she climbed
into his lap. The next day, the investigation team arranged for Nana Talika to meet members
of Tila Karatne's family at a rest house or inn in Talaoakele. But they did not tell Nana
Talika the reason for her trip there. Nana Talika sat in a room with her mother, the monk, and
Dr. Nisanka, who recorded the events with a tape recorder. Nana Talika's father and Tila
Karatne's teacher, stood near the door and other observers watched for the next room. Tila Kuratne's
mother then entered the room. The monk asked Nanatalika, do you know her? Nanatalika looked
up suddenly excited and stared at the woman. When asked again if she knew her, Nanatalika
said yes. Tila Kuratne's mother handed her a candy bar and then held her arms out to Nanatalika
who quickly hugged her. Tila Kuratne's mother said, Tell me, where did I live? Nana Talika
slowly answered, "'Talawa kele'." Tila Karatne's mother said, "'So tell me who I am.'" Nana
Talika, after making sure that her own mother could not hear her, whispered to Tila Karatne's
mother and to Dr. Nisanka's microphone, "'Talawa kele, mother.'" After a minute, the observers
asked Nana Talika again, who was that lady? tell us and she replied she's my talawakele
mother. Next, Tilik Karatne's father came in and Nala Talika was asked, do you know him?
She answered yes. And when she was asked who he was, she answered he's my talawakele father.
Following him, one of Tilik Karatne's sisters who had accompanied him to school every day
came in. And when Nansalika was asked who she was, she replied, this is my sister from Talaakele.
Where did you go with this sister? To school. When asked how they had gone, she correctly
answered that they had gone by train. Coming in next was a man who had moved to Talaakele
after Tilakaratni had died. He asked her, who am I? No. Dr. Nisanka asked her, do you know
him? Look again carefully, who is he? She answered, no, I don't know him. Three women came in next.
One asked, do you know me? Who am I? Nana Talika answered, yes, you're my fair sister. Another
asked, who am I? The sister who lives in the house below ours. Nana Talika's mother then
asked her who the third woman was, and she answered, the sister to whose house we go to sew clothes.
These were all correct for Tilikarotne sisters. Two men from Talawekele were sent in separately.
One was very close friend of Tilakaratne's family, while the other one had taught Tilakaratne
in Sunday school. Nana Talika said that she knew each of them that Talawekele, or at Talawekele,
but did not give other specifics. Lastly, Tilakaratne's brother went in. He and Tilakaratne had constantly
quarreled, and when Nana Talika was asked if she knew him, she angrily answered, no. She
was asked again and she answered, no, no. Dr. Nisanka then told her that she could just tell
her mother if she knew him. So she whispered to her mother, my brother from Talawekele.
And Dr. Nisanka asked her to let everyone else hear. So she said, my brother from Talawekele.
When Dr. Nisanka told Nana Talika to let the brother hold her, she began crying and said
that she would not. Nana Talika made some very impressive recognitions as she had not known
or as she not only knew the relationship that the previous personality had with each individual,
but other facts that she could not have known from appearance alone. She stated correctly
that she had not known individuals in the previous that the previous personality had not known
the two men who accompanied Tila Karatene's teacher to her home and the stranger whom the
investigators brought in as a test for her. Nalantalika also made a couple of spontaneous
recognitions later. She developed a relationship with Tilakaratne's teacher and one day when
they were out together Nalantalika pointed to a woman in the crowd of people and said, I
know her. She told the teacher she came to Talaakele temple with me and he confirmed with the woman
that she had been friendly with Tilakaratne and when they worshiped at the that they worshiped
at the temple. Another time, Nana Talika pointed out one woman who was in a group of others
and said, She is angry with my Tala Waqelef mother. The teacher checked with the woman
and found out that she was a neighbor of the Tila Karatene's family who had previously had
disagreement with Tila Karatene's mother, but they had since patched up their differences.
Dr. Stevenson on the scene a year after the controlled recognition tests,
and interviewed people from both families as well as Tillicharotney's teacher. Following
the initial interviews, he continued to check on the family from time to time. One item that
he discovered was Tillicharotney did not have a sister named Laura or Dora. He had been classmates
with a girl named Laura when he was younger and he had some contact before, and they had
some contact before his death. Dr. Stevenson interviewed her in 1970. She had never met
Nanatalika, so he took her and one of her friends, to whom Tila Kuratne had not known, unannounced
to Nanatalika's home. He asked Nanatalika, who was almost 15 years old by that time, if she
could recognize the two women. She called Laura Dora, confusing the names just as she had Dung
as a young child, and said that she had known her in Talaakele, but she could give no other
details. This was a remarkable accomplishment, even if we accept the possibility of reincarnation,
since Laura had gone from being a teenager. um during Tila Kuratne's life to being an approximately
30 year old woman. Though we might suppose that this was not so different from being able to
recognize an old classmate at a high school reunion, Nana Talika did accomplish the recognition.
Though she might have guessed the location of Talawa Kele given the context Dr. Stevenson's
previous contact with the family, her ability to state the name which she had not given for
any of the other women that identify, demonstrated knowledge that is hard to dismiss. Nana Talika's
case was a sex change case, but she did not show particularly masculine traits. When she
was young, her parents noted that she was more boyish than her sister was, but not to a severe
degree, and as a teenager, her appearance was that of a typical Sinhalese girl. The previous
personality, however, tended to be rather feminine. He preferred to be with girls at times, painted
his fingernails. He enjoyed sewing and liked silk shirts. In that area, in that time, these
characteristics made him different from most of the other boys. So maybe it was the previous
life that was actually the sex change case, you know? Yeah. So there's another one. Wow.
There's a lot of different stuff in that one, yeah. Yeah, especially because there was actually
an investigator on the scene who was able to kind of do the controlled recognition tests.
Yeah. So the previous personality was 30 when she died? No, what they were saying was that
because there was time between the lives... It's about a 30 year difference. Yeah. So from
the time... Of being seen, the person from the... Right. From the time Tiller-Krotney died and
to the time... Nana Talika got to meet that girl because she had grown to be 15 by the
time they presented her with that girl. So there's 15 years plus the time between lives plus the
previous personality's lifetime, right? How long was the previous, or how old was the previous
personality? Did they ever say that? That's what I was wondering. They didn't really talk
about how the previous personality died. Okay. But Naman Talika was born in 1956. Oh, no,
they said the other personality died in 1954. Yeah. So it was two years difference. OK, two
years. So yeah, that makes sense. Because if it was Akra. But it didn't say how old she
was still. No, it didn't. But I'm assuming if you do the math, 15 plus 2. And then this person
who was a classmate was 30 by the time she saw her. So it must've been like 13 or something
when they died. The previous personality. That makes... Okay. Yeah. That's good math. Checks
out. I'm bad at mental math, but apparently I succeeded. I don't know. I'm not double checking
it though. Good enough for chat GBT. Chat GBT gives the statistics. All right. You want another
one? Sure. The case of Macho Hin... In Myanmar, that is, we'll just call it macho. Macho. I
think you said nacho at first. Ma, these are four separate words. Macho. Nin. Hatet. Okay.
In Myanmar, involved not only a controlled recognition test, but also an experimental birthmark. The
previous personality in the case was a young, in this case was a young woman. Ma lai wei.
who was born with a heart defect. It limited her functioning significantly and she was still
attending high school at the age of 20 when she entered the Rangoon General Hospital for
several months in 1975. She underwent open heart surgery there and died during the surgery.
Following Ma La Laway's death, three of her friends offered to prepare her body for cremation.
As they were doing this, they recalled the custom of marking a body. So they used red lipstick
to make a mark on the left side of the back of her neck. They chose this spot as opposed
to a more visible ones because they didn't want a future child to be disfigured. Dr. Stevenson
pointed out that in choosing the back of the neck, the girls picked the worst possible site
for producing an impressive experimental birthmark since stork bite birthmarks are quite common
and occasionally persist in the later childhood. Stork bite. Yeah, that's the first time I heard
that too. Yeah. Is that just the... Is that just a cute little nickname for him? Yeah.
But it's common, apparently. I don't know if there's like a certain configuration they're
talking about or... Yeah, I don't know. Let's... Let's see, stork bite birthmarks.
Also known as nevus simplex, a common type of birthmark that appears as a flat pale pink
or dark pink or red patch on the baby's skin. Usually present at birth and can occur anywhere
on the body but most commonly found on the forehead, eyelids, upper lip, between the eyebrows and
the back.
Similar to it. So your eyes? Interesting. Caused by blood vessels underneath the skin becoming
stretched or dilated, resulting in a salmon or pink color.
Okay. The more you know.
Where did I leave off? Yeah, the stork bite.
13 months after Ma Lalawei's death, her older sister gave birth to a baby girl she named
Ma Chou-Honin-Hetet. After the birth, Ma Chou-Honin-Hetet's family noticed that she had a red birthmark
on the left side of her neck. At the time, her family did not know that Ma Lalawei's friends
had marked the body, but they learned a few days later when a neighbor told them. Since
Ma Chou's mother did not... learn about the body being marked until after she gave birth,
we can be sure that maternal impression, the idea that the mother's wishes or expectations
could have led to the birthmark on her baby, played no part in this case. We can also be
sure that the position of the birthmark did not lead witnesses to match it incorrectly
with the site of the marking, because when Dr. Stevenson talked about or talked with one of
their friends who had marked the body, Nient. She gave the location without knowing that
Macho had been born with a birthmark. He also interviewed the other two friends who gave
the same location for the marking. Cool, so you got some separation in the birthmarking.
The friends didn't know that the baby was born with it. The mother didn't know that the friends
had marked it and they got both verbal, like accounts. Where it. we able to get them separately
before notifying either of them of the other, which is pretty cool. Evidence is mounting.
Yeah. Macho also had a mark on her chest that presumably was a birthmark, but her family
did not notice it for several years until someone suggested that she might have a birthmark to
match Malalaway's surgical incision. It was a thin, pale line, lighter than the rest of
her skin, and it ran down the middle of her lower chest and upper abdomen. It matched an
incision scar for an open heart surgery, except that it was lower, at least by the time that
Macho was four years old, than an incision for such surgery would be. Soon after Macho became
old enough to talk, she spoke of the previous life with her grandparents, the previous personality's
parents, She said that her grandmother had been her mother. She talked of dying when the doctors
operated on her. She also said that her name was Lailai and that she would cry if family
members teased her by calling her that she was not Lailai. Or. She would cry if family members
teased her by telling her that she wasn't Lila. In addition, she called her mother the term
for older sister, her maternal uncle, her old brother, and her grandfather, Papa.
Dr. Stevenson investigated the case when Macho was four years old. Three days before his interviews,
two of my Lala Way's friends, one of whom had marked her body, visited the family. The marker
had not seen Macho since she was a baby, but Macho was very friendly with her. She walked
out to the gate when she saw the woman, rather than notifying the adults as she would normally
do. And when she met them, she asked the woman to call her Lala Way. She led her to meet her
grandmother who asked her, do you know her? To which Macho responded, yes, of course, we
were friends. When Dr. Stevenson conducted his interview, he discovered that the friend, another
one of the women who had marked the body had never met Macho. He and his interpreter decided
to take her to Macho's home without letting the family know that they were coming. After
they arrived at the house, they pointed to the friend and asked Macho, who is she? Macho quickly
answered, meant, ooh, I don't know how to pronounce that. Hey, that was pretty good. Yeah.
We wish that we had more opportunities to conduct such tests. Unfortunately, the children in
our cases are usually met with Have usually met the important figures in the life of the
previous personality by the time that we arrive on the scene During these meetings the family
have frequently judged them to recognize a number of persons from that life But we haven't been
able to assess that for ourselves in order to conduct more tests ourselves. We need to get
the cases sooner Ideally getting to a case before anyone has identified previous personality
would give us a wonderful opportunity to arrange such tests. But many such cases never come
to our attention. Some parents may not want others to know that their children is talking
about a past life if the case is unsolved and the statements unverified. Even if the parents
don't mind others knowing, people are naturally less likely to talk about a case that's unsolved.
So our agents in the various countries are less likely to hear about which, you know, makes
sense.
So yeah, there's another case. We got birthmarks. We got identification tests. Yeah. Even an
identification test that Dr. Stevenson himself was able to do. Yeah, he got to him young,
like four years old, he was hanging around. So that's a pretty solid case. Yeah, it's all
pretty convincing. I mean, unless it's all hoax and all this information is just completely
fabricated. Yeah, yeah, but to stretch its credulity. Yeah.
Cool, should we try and fit one more in?
Yeah.
Let's just, do you want to finish on that or do you have more to do on this one? Yeah, let's
finish on this one. All right. So Bobby Hodges is a boy from North Carolina. So we got another
American case. Hey, yeah. Cool. Frequently talking about wanting to live with his cousins. His
cousin's family consisted of one boy, the oldest child and three girls. In addition, Bobby's
aunt miscarried a set of twins after her son was born. Bobby said that the boy was his big
brother and asked why his mother was keeping him from his real family. He repeatedly said
that he belonged with his cousins. His parents thinking that he liked his cousin's family
because it had more children than his own, never gave his statements much thought until he began
talking to his mother one night after his bath when he was four and a half years old. He asked
her if she remembered when he was in her tummy. She said yes and asked if he remembered. when
his two and a half year old brother Donald was in her tummy. He then asked if she remembered
when he and Donald were in her tummy at the same time. When she told him that they had
not been in her tummy at the same time, he said they were in her tummy at the same time, but
he did not get born. She told him that he did get born and later Donald was born. He responded
that he and Donald had been in his aunt Susan's tummy. at the same time rather than as mothers
and asked why Aunt Susan didn't give birth to them. Bobby then became very upset and began
screaming at Donald. He said, Donald, it's all your fault. I told you I wanted to get born
real bad and you didn't want to. How did you take me out of there, Donald? Why didn't you
want me to get born? Tell me how you did it. Tell me how you took me out of there. Whoa.
Yeah. Whoa. At this point, Bobby's mother had to restrain him to keep him from going after
Donald. She's pissed. Yeah. She told him not to scream at Donald and that Donald didn't
know what he was talking about. Bobby screamed that Donald did know and asked him again why
he'd taken Bobby out of Aunt Susan's tummy. Donald then took his pacifier out of his mouth
and yelled, no, I wanted daddy, before popping his pacifier back in. Bobby yelled back, I
didn't want daddy, I wanted Uncle Ron. Dude, they're fighting over which parents they're
born to. This is crazy. What, dude?
Yeah, so he wanted to go with his parents and he's, no, that's crazy. Yeah, he wanted to
be born to his aunt and uncle's family. But his younger brother wanted to be born to their
family. And it's their current mom that they're talking to, obviously. Yeah, yeah. So after
Bobby calmed down somewhat, he told his mother that after the failed pregnancy, he had tried
to get back in Aunt Susan's tummy, but Rebecca, his cousin was there. He told his mother, I
wanted to be in there and she wouldn't let me. I tried to kick her out, but it didn't work.
And she got to be born and I didn't. He said that he got in his mother's tummy and was born.
He said, I sure did have to work hard to get here. To give some background, Bobby's uncle
Ron is his father's brother. Ron's wife, Susan, became pregnant with male twins seven years
before Bobby was born. At 33 weeks just Jason, Susan did not feel any movement from the twins.
And when she went to the hospital, the doctors found that both had died. The hospital records
indicate that the attachment of one of the umbilical cords to the placenta did not have adequate
coverings around the blood vessels. and so was very susceptible to being compressed. The doctors
told Susan that they suspected that one of the twins rolled over on the cord there. This stopped
the blood flow killing one twin and because of shared circulation, the other one died soon
thereafter. Whoa. Since the miscarriages were understandably upsetting to the parents, the
family never spoke of them and Bobby's parents feel sure that he had never heard about them.
Susan and Ron became pregnant again a few months later, and they subsequently had three girls.
The last one, Rebecca, was born 18 months before Bobby was. That was the one he was trying to
get in there. In addition to his talk of being one of Susan's twins, Bobby made a few comments
about other lives that he said he remembered. He said that in one, he died from a gunshot
wound. and in another he was a teenager who died in a motor vehicle accident. One time
after recovering from the flu, Bobby told his mother, Mom, people in the other world don't
get sick. She responded, The other world, Bobby? And he said, The world where I was waiting
to get born. People don't get sick there. They're just happy and never get sick. I wish people
didn't get sick in this world. Another time he talked about his parents' wedding, which
occurred when his mother was pregnant with him. Since she was noticeably pregnant at the ceremony,
she does not have any wedding pictures on display in their house. She and her husband got married
in a gazebo on a hill, and they had to climb steps up the hill and again into the gazebo.
They didn't believe that Bobby had ever seen a picture of the wedding or heard them discuss
it until one day Bobby saw his mother looking through a pile of pictures. She gave him a
picture of his parents' wedding, a close-up shot of them standing in front of the railing.
It is the railing of the gazebo, but that is not obvious from the picture. His mother is
holding flowers and his father is wearing a boutonniere. They're standing in profile, apparently
facing the minister, but the back of the woman, presumably a... At the back of a woman, presumably
a member of the wedding party, blocks the viewer from seeing the person in front of them. When
Bobby's mother asked him if he knew what it was a picture of, he answered, yes, mom, it's
a picture of you and dad getting married. I was there. I saw the whole thing. She asked,
you did? And he answered, yes, mom. You walked up the stairs and you gave each other rings
and then you ate cake. I happened to call her. or I happened to call her immediately after
this exchange and she told me what Bobby had said. She did not see any way he could have
known that she and her husband walked up the stairs to start her wedding. At one wedding
he had attended, cake had not been served because of an air conditioning problem. His mother
does not normally even eat cake, but she did so at her own wedding because she thought that
not eating cake might bring bad luck. On his fourth birthday, Bobby had talked about being
born. His mother reports that he was born by cesarean suction after a prolonged labor. He
had presented in a face-up position called an occiput posterior position. And nurses were
unable to get him to turn. When Bobby talked about his birth, he said that he had been kicking
in the womb because he was trying to get out. His mother responded that He had to wait to
get born and he said, I know and it was making me mad and I was pushing to get out. And then
they were pushing on my head, mom, trying to get me to go back in. And that was making me
really mad because I wanted to get out, but I couldn't because I was stuck. His mother
was shocked and said, yes, you were stuck. And they were pushing on your head to get you to
turn over. All you had to do was turn over and you could have gotten out. He responded, oh,
I didn't know that. I would have turned over, but I thought they were pushing me back in.
Anyway, then I saw the light and then the doctor took me out of your tummy. And then they cleaned
all that slime off and then they put me in a bed and then I got some sleep.
Dude, oh my gosh. That's a cool one, right? I wish. That would be such a cool conversation
with your kid. I mean, weird, but cool. But it's like the exact types of misunderstandings
you would think a kid would have. I was kicking to get out. I was like, I'm waiting here. And
they were trying to push me in. I was like, heck no. I'm not moving. And he just.
That one's so good. That's a cool one. Yeah. You get the talk of the time between lives.
Yeah, I really like that stuff. Dude, yeah, the talking about him trying to go in and get
born to her again, but there was already someone in there. Yeah. That's interesting. And he
tried to get in anyway, but she wouldn't let him. And so it almost seems like. Like maybe
the way this works is that, you know, when a child is conceived that like, there's an empty
shell there ready for the claiming, right? And that a soul has to then go and claim it, right?
And if a soul has already claimed it, another soul might still try and go in and fight for
access to it, but yeah. Ultimately be denied. Which is. That's a crazy way to think about
it. Freaking fascinating. It makes me think of Inside Out and some of these animated stuff
where they do a lot of like Boss Baby even and a lot of these cartoony shows. A lot of it
has reincarnation and internal lives and different dimensions and it's kind of all like the esoteric
thought. I love the idea that he's holding a grudge against his little brother because his
little brother followed him there. Yeah, messed up them getting born to their aunt. And there's
also like, I know some of the stuff that I've researched is like they talk about like groups
of souls. That travel to get there. They call them kind of pods and they like go life to
life and do the generating. Like they kind of like usually there's like a handful. that are
together in each life or around each other and interact in some way. And they choose people
near each other that would interact in the next life or whatever. But there could be many groups
too. That idea of our eternal soul going through the ether and just picking and choosing a time
frame time is irrelevant. So since you're so interested in the time between lives cases,
I didn't highlight, but I'll read some of the after case discussion he does of this. Because
he talks about, this is one of the examples of a case where a child talks about the time
between lives. We'll see what he says about that. After we come back.
hear more about the in-between. Let's get in-between. So Bobby's case is an example of one in which
the child talks about the interval between death of the previous personality and his birth.
In his case, he talked about events that took place when he was in his mother's womb and
made one reference to being in another world before coming to his mother. Most of the subjects
in our cases do not make such statements. In 1,100 cases, 69 subjects reported memories
of the previous personality's funeral or the handling of remains. 91 described other events
happening on Earth. 112 reported memories of being in another realm. And 45 reported memories
of either conception or of being reborn. Some of the children are counted in more than one
category since they describe more than one type of experience. And only about 217 out of the
1,100 reported having at least one of these experiences. Okay. So, that's a little lower
than 20%. Yeah.
Since we obviously can't verify any claims that the children make about another realm and often
can't verify the other statements about experiences between lives, the intermission memories tend
to be more speculative area than other parts of the cases. A couple of factors suggest that
we should at least consider the statements. First, some children have made statements about
events that occurred that were later verified as accurate. Limited evidence exists in those
cases that supports the children's claims to remember events that took place between lives
and we'll briefly look at several of those shortly. Children in the stronger cases tend to make
these statements more often than children in the weaker ones, adding some support to their
validity. I developed a scale that rates the strength of each case. When we look at the
different types of intermission memories, one of the previous personalities' funeral, ones
of the previous personalities' funerals, ones of other events, ones of being in another realm,
and ones of conception or birth, either individually or as a group, we found that the likelihood
that a child will report them has a positive correlation with the score that the child gets
on the strength of K-scale. Poonam Sharma, a medical student working with us, also ran statistics
that showed that children who report intermission memories are more likely to remember the name
of the previous personality and the way that the person died, than are children who don't
report those memories. They tend to remember more names from the previous life in general,
and they make more statements about that life that are later verified to be accurate. A number
of the reports are fascinating in any event and seem worth noting. Yeah. So they just have
a greater memory. It's almost like they've gotten to maybe there's like levels to this whole
thing, right? So like if you're reincarnating, you're essentially leveling up. It's kind of
the idea of the cyclical thing where you grab on and you take things from each of your incarnations.
And sorry, I'm pretty far from my mic. So you're taking things from these levels and you're
leveling up in a sense and you get to a point where you can, you almost have access to your
memories. Right. That's like a close tier to when you like are able to get to this liberation
or you know. Yeah. But it makes sense. Enlightenment or whatever. It makes sense and like you would
expect it to be the case that like there's correlation, right? a stronger case is more likely to remember
what happens in the intermission. Yeah. That makes sense. And it's vice versa. Like the
ones who remember the intermission, they make more statements, more verified statements.
Like they just in general are stronger cases, right? So. This Bobby one was for sure. Bobby,
like that one was definitely a lot stronger and he had a lot of intermission stuff, a lot
of it. Yeah. He remembers fighting with them and like... Yeah. And says he doesn't like
that people get sick and that people don't get sick in the other world. Which is cool by the
way. I'm glad there's no freaking heaven COVID. Right. Yeah, you're just kind of like...
It's fascinating that if that exists, if you allow yourself to go there, then there's so
many possibilities as to what is all of this. What is all this that we're experiencing if
there's other things outside of it?
And that they interact. and they coexist and there's like layers to it. Yeah. And it could
not even, I don't know, I guess once you step out of it, you get to the intermission. But
then what kind of flexibility does it have? Are you just on this kind of tier world line
where you're on Earth? Or is there other places or things you can experience outside of that?
Right, right. Yeah. Like. It seems like they all kind of spend a little bit of time in the
afterlife. So maybe there's like a debriefing period and like a preparatory period, you know,
like a little bit of time you need to spend in the other life, you know. Or because time
does, there's no, maybe there's no real relation to time, to how long you spend in there. You
just get to like, it's like the video game simulation theory again, you know, like you get out of
a game session and you'll... The time clock can be running at a different rate. So you
go and grab some juice, hit the bathroom, go hit your vape pen, you come back and sit down.
Their life, that other life spinning, and by the time you get back, it's only been a second
for you. Yeah, like you said with video games, I play FIFA, and the in-game clock runs. In
real soccer, it's 45 minutes for a half. But in FIFA, it's six minutes for a half. But you
still see the clock count to 45. So game time and real time aren't synced up. And it could
be the same sort of idea. So that once you're out of your body, that the time or the clock
runs at a different rate. Here's some more commentary about it. 1100 subject describe details of
the previous personality's funeral or the handling of remains that were verified to be accurate
So that's one way you can verify the between life statements Like if they're making a statement
about how the previous personalities remains were handled. Yeah then they have that memories
even they're lingering and they kind of like using like the poltergeist or ghosts or right,
you know makes you want to be on your best, I mean, you should be anyway if you're not
a dick, but it makes you wanna be on your best behavior for funerals and memorials. Yeah,
no kidding, no kidding. They could be watching you. Yeah. One example is Ritana Wangsamba
from chapter five, who correctly described the previous personalities, Ashes being spread
under the bow tree. of the temple complex rather than being buried as she wanted. Sometimes
the statements are not specific enough to be verifiable. For instance, Purnima Ekanyake
from chapter four said that after her fatal accident, she floated in the air in semi-darkness
for several days. She saw people crying for her and saw her body at a funeral. She said
that many people were floating around as she was. She then saw some light, went to it, and
came to her new family.
The children who make comments about the funeral of previous personality do not tend to make
many of them, though they don't seem to focus on it. If we accept the statements that they
do make, they imply that the consciousness of the previous personality stayed around the
body or the family for some time after death.
Um, then he's talking about the reports from another realm. He says, other particularly
vivid descriptions of another realm include those of Disney, some of our ring, a girl in
Sri Lanka who made numerous statements about the life of an elderly woman who died in a
village three miles away. She described being lifted up, uh, even though her body was buried,
flying like a bird. She talked of meeting a king or governor whose reddish clothes and
beautiful pointed shoes were never taken off, never dirty and never washed. The same was
true for her own clothes, except that they were golden. She said that she played at the king's
home, which was made of glass and had beautiful red beds. She said that when she got hungry
there, she simply thought of food and it appeared. The sight of the food satisfied her appetite.
She didn't need to actually eat it. She said that the king took her to the home of her new
family after asking her to go there. Another child who made similar statements was Sunita
Khandawal, a girl in India who talked about the life of a woman from a city 220 miles away.
She reported that after a fatal fall from a balcony, I went up, there was a Baba, which
is a holy man, with a long beard. They checked my record and said, send her back. There are
some rooms there. I have seen God's house. It is very nice. You do not know everything that
is there. Certainly no one would disagree with that last remark. Yeah, that's good. Yeah,
that's fascinating. The difference in what that time could be like, like everybody has their
own or build constructs their own version. of the afterlife. And it's almost like gives you
like, you still have agency even there, like your soul has agency in what experience you
have. So that begs to be like, there's another level to it even. There might be like some
kind of inception version of existence where even our soul is the simulation or the playground
of another higher realm. So I can like, if time is not of existence, right? And if this realm,
which is all, you know, just speculation, but
then like, there's different, and there's different levels to like, once you get to like ascension
or like enlightenment, I guess. Unless that's it, unless that's your soul, your pure soul
is like the height of existence. Right. If there's multiple dimensions and there's talk in some
of these esoterics about there being a tear to the heavens and God being the ultimate creator,
even though we are all are part of it, there's still like this ultimate thought. that sparked
it all and that God is experiencing himself through this program. Yeah. It makes me wonder,
like, I wonder if the natural, like, we'll call it a, quote-unquote, soul life cycle, right?
Like, obviously, a soul has to come to being at some point, right? So, a soul has a moment
of birth, right? Because in the beginning, there should have only been God. Right? So at some
point, a soul comes to exist. I don't know if a soul can ever quote unquote die. We'll just
take based on what everyone talks about of the afterlife and say that it doesn't. But I wonder
if in the process of a new soul being born, does it have to incarnate into like, Like,
is it just a process of just learning and learning and learning? So like you start as a single
cell bacteria, just learning the process of, of doing that small metabolism, you know? And
then like, as you graduate from that, you become a bigger creature and a bigger creature and
a bigger creature and more and more complex, you know, like ultimately ending up in living
like a human type. or equivalent on another planet, life, right? And that, you know, you
will keep doing the human thing until you've got whatever you need out of it, and then maybe
there's some next phase you go on to, right? Yeah. Where you don't need to be reborn anymore.
Or you don't care to. So that means, like, what if even... like aliens and other worldly creatures
within the galaxies that are part of our material makeup, right? What if they are also part of
this thing? Right. And like one day you developed your soul so much that you're like the equivalent
of like the white lady from... Right. And you can teleport. Of course, Bledsoe. You know,
like at some point you become a god of a different planet. Like you can still reincarnate, but
you are not because you have this higher purpose of like helping others. Right. You know? Or
maybe you incarnate into a species that's more advanced than humans. Right. On a different
planet or something. Right. Yeah. Which is all just opening a can of worms, but I love these
tangents that these bring about. bring all the different subjects into it. So we're actually
getting kind of close to the end here. I don't know if what I have.
I think it might be. So we're onto a chapter now where he's talking about opposing points
of view. And he spends some time talking about the materialist scientific worldview and sort
of the blind spots in there. And then he starts talking about what are some other pieces of
evidence that this could be. real, right? Yeah. So he says, does other evidence exist to support
the idea of consciousness continuing after a patient dies? One area of research into this
question is the field of near-death experiences. Many people who survive an incident in which
they've come very close to death or clinically dead for a short period of time report experiences
that they had during that time. These often involve an impression of leaving their bodies
and witnessing events from above and then going to another realm where they meet deceased relatives
or religious beings. Much of this is subjective, of course, and cannot be proven, but some people
have reported hearing or seeing events that take place below them during the near-death
experience that were later verified to have happened. One of these, Pam Reynolds, accurately
described medical equipment that was not visible while she was awake and a conversation that
took place in the operating room while she was unconscious during a surgery for a brain aneurysm
in which her body was cooled to 60 degrees, her heart was stopped, and the blood was drained
from her body. In another example, Dr. Bruce Grayson, here at University of Virginia, investigated
a report by a man named Al Sullivan about his experiences during an emergency coronary bypass
operation. He said that when he looked down on the scene during his near-death experience,
he saw his surgeon flapping his elbows. The surgeon and Mr. Sullivan's cardiologist confirmed
to Dr. Grayson that the surgeon does have the unusual habit of flapping his elbows after
scrubbing in for surgery.
You'd have already been under anesthesia at the time, right? But he talks, at some point
in the book, he talks about one of his colleagues who is doing the near-death experience research
and is essentially trying to set up a systematic way to test it. Because he's a type of surgeon
in which they essentially have to bring the person to clinical death in order to prevent
it. perform the operation. Right. And so. They have firsthand knowledge of some of the accounts.
They've had accounts. And so they're essentially, what he was talking about doing is, say, for
instance, setting up a laptop with certain images on it. And putting it out of view of where
the patient could ever see. But then letting the patient know to check it out if they ever
end up. in a near-death experience situation. Yeah, out-of-body experience. And then interviewing
the patients when they wake up. So I don't know the results of that. I haven't followed in
on it. Yeah, that'd be cool to see. But he just mentioned that research. It'd be really cool
to see. It'd be really cool to see the results of. Yeah. All this stuff is so fascinating.
I mean, we can go down so many near-death experiences or past life regressions and some of those
cases too. We could probably do this for a while. Yeah. So anyway, that's a wrap time for tonight.
So episode 23? That was 23. On episode 24. We might probably just finish this and maybe bring
some other interesting stories and stuff to talk about if we don't have a full show. Yeah,
we can go into some secret history too if we want to. Or I can even cover a couple of the
interesting stories I found in the next book, which I didn't finish yet, but there are a
couple stories that I found super fascinating. I've been looking at some stories too, so maybe
I'll do some highlighting for the next week. Yeah, okay. All right, y'all. Well, oh, one
more thing I wanted to mention. I want to keep shouting this out every show till it happens.
But the Cosmic Summit is coming up. Oh, yeah. It's June 14 through 16, and it's held by George
Howard of the Cosmic Tusk website. It says the 17th is a classroom. Yes. So I wonder if he
teaches, if he goes in there and teaches some sacred geometry. Yeah, so Drew and I got tickets
to this, to the virtual tickets anyway, so we will have access to the live stream and the
on-demand videos after they're uploaded. But dude. Yeah, go check out their website. CosmicSummit.com.
We got Luke Caverns, Robert Shock, Jahanna James, Randall Carlson, Hugh Newman, Scott
Ben Van Kirkwick from Uncharted X. We got Russ Allen from Brothers of the Serpent. And we
have a couple of other people
We got Chandra, Wickramasinghe, who's like 90 years old, dude. And he's still doing it. He's
actually flying to the United States to be at the conference in person, which is awesome.
And George is like, dude, you can just come remote. And he's like, no, I need to. I want
to be here. Micah Hanks. And yeah, there's a bunch of the scientists who are from the Younger
Dryas Impact Hypothesis group. Cosmic Research Group. Yeah. The Comet Research Group. Yeah,
so we got Dr. Randolph Daniel from the Comet Research Group. Chris Cottrell will be there.
He's not from them. Another Dr. Joanne Ballard, she's from the Comet Research Group.
Alan West. He's like one of the big players in the Comet Research Group. Malcolm Bendall.
Yeah Malcolm Bendall the guy who does the thunderstorm generator. He's gonna be there and they're
supposed to be doing like live demos. And I wonder if George Howard will huff the exhaust
like he has in the past. I bet he will. That's how you do science man. Totally. Having the
image of a video of a scientist back in like the 40s or 50s demonstration of like Like at
the World's Fair radiation, yeah, and he put a thing he put like a radioactive like a particle
like a big Glowing thing and ate it Huh show that it was had like high were high levels
of radiation with a Geiger counter. Yeah He was like, it's safe and this is the future
of energy. And then he ate it to show how safe it was. So if you got the traveling budget
and the money, or you're nearby, definitely go to it in person. Because there's nothing
like being at an event like this and actually talking to the group of people that it attracts.
It really feels like you find your crowd. which is cool. So if you have the opportunity to
be there in person, you should absolutely do it. If you don't have that, then there's a
virtual pass, which is $50 for just the Saturday and Sunday event, or $35 for the classroom
day pass, or you can get both of those and $65 for the event and the classroom. And that gives
you the live stream. And I know for sure that George Howard is planning on taking questions
and audience participation from the live stream. So as long as they don't have any technical
issues, you could still be interactive and involved with it. Yeah. Get your online handle involved
in the conversation. So check that out, people. Please support it. It's an awesome event. And
we want to see this be a huge success so that it can continue to grow and grow. We need more
events like this. We need more conversations with these people too. Right, with open-minded
people talking about important topics and attracting the crowd of people. Yeah. You know, and hopefully
doing more networking with. Yeah, hopefully, you know, in the future, we want to be able
to get some of these people on, whether it's remote or in person. Yeah, hopefully this will
be the last year that we're so tied down that we can't travel and go to these events. Yeah.
But. That is our goal in the near future, is to be able to be at all these things in person
and talk to these people and get them to come on the show and stuff. I definitely want to
do more tours and go see some of these sites on a lot of these geological stuff. I want
to go travel and do that. I really want to do one of the Egypt tours. I would love to take
one when Wai gets a little bit older. Love to take the boys, both the boys, go see some of
these cool sites. In the meantime, we need to look up some sites that are here in Cali. Yeah.
Like, there are some interesting ones. Like Catalina Island is one of the ones that's supposed
to be where they found a lot of the giant bones. It's also a UFO hotspot. That'd be cool. That's
off the coast of Santa Barbara. And then Shasta is another, like, UFO hotspot. But I think
there's also some other sites with, like, Native American ruins and stuff that we need to look
up. It would be... You know what we need to do? To explore some of that. Is do that, do
like a houseboat trip up in Shasta Lake. Oh, that'd be cool. They got a lot of houseboats
you can rent. I've done that a couple times. With our friends, we just rented one that had
enough beds for all of us. And we just camped out on the lake and tied up the boat to the
shore. Heck yeah. Stay there for one night or two nights maybe. Yeah, yeah. It was fun. And
that'd be a perfect place to go sit up on the roof of a houseboat or on the shore and like
stargaze. Yeah, Shasta's far enough out of civilization that you would be able to see it go under the
stars. You're on the middle of the lake and the still lake at the middle of the night.
Yeah. It's a cool place. Heck yeah. Alright people. Alright, well thanks for hanging out
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