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I'm Drew. And I'm Dean. And I'm ChatGPT. No, not this time.
But we do have it on standby now after last episode. We've got it in the background, ready
to go. If at any point we need to ask a ChatGPT question, we can now. Or ask for a long answer
so we can go take a break while we're still recording. Right. Write a novel about this.
We'll be back people. Enjoy. This is all new. So today we are going to be talking about the
moon. The moon is weird. It's super weird. Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of theories and there's
a lot of you know, science doesn't have all the answers. We don't even have all the answers
about earth. Right. So imagine trying to get answers about the moon. And yeah, so we're
gonna talk about it a little bit. We'll get into that. What do we wanna cover before getting
into that? We got some email. We got a couple of comments and then a clip that I sent Dean
about, or not a chat with you, but Bitcoin. And I'm not 100% I didn't do a ton of research
on who this guy is or his background or anything. But maybe we'll update you on that. Yeah. It
says right here, DaVinci Jeremy. Is that not this person or is that a comment? Yeah, because
this guy is Lennon-Rial. So I think it's got to be this DaVinci Jeremy guy. Bitcoin ETF
wins SEC approval. I don't know. I don't know what that is. Anyway, yeah. So this is an interesting
little clip Drew just sent me about Bitcoin. Let's play this real quick. Nakamoto. You in
the CIA. Well, I think that based on what I learned about the source code, it was created
by somebody in the NSA. The evidence of that is the randomizer. And so there's lots of a
certified method that's stated that they don't have any back doors. They've been checked and
rechecked and they're certified to not have any back doors. Yet Satoshi didn't use any
of them. All the certified methods use this obscure method which wasn't certified. And
a lot of developers scratched their head until Snowdin. When he released that, oh yeah, they
understand head back towards all the certified randomizers. With enough data, they could actually
reproduce the random number that you actually chose. So... Does that mean they can break
code? Technically they can break all the securities. Get your bitcoin basically. But Satoshi chose
the one randomizer. They didn't have a backdoor. How is that possible? Did he get lucky? I don't
think so. Was big. Yeah, that's interesting. I thought you could kick out of that a bit.
I did not. I've never heard that before, which is super cool. It does tend to suggest that,
well, we still don't know if Satoshi is a person or a group. Right. But it does suggest that
if Satoshi's a person, it might have been a person inside the NSA. Or somebody with access
to the information. Or if there's a group, one of them. Yeah. Or he had an NSA insider who
let him know that was, in fact, the case. That they had back doors into all these certified
randomizers or whatever. Right. And so if you don't understand the concept he's trying to
cover here, so essentially in computing, you use random numbers that are super useful in
all sorts of computational scenarios, especially in encryption. And the thing is, is computers,
they're digital, they're all ones and zeros, and everything's very predictable. And so how
do you get a computer which runs off ones and zeros to create a random number. And the thing
is, is most of the ways that people have come up with to create quote unquote random numbers
aren't truly random. And so you'll actually hear computer people use the term pseudo random
a lot. And the problem with, if you were to use something like that in Bitcoin is with
enough computing power, you could essentially recreate the conditions that random number
was generated under in order to recreate whatever random number you wanna recreate in order to
break encryption. Yeah. And anyway, it's pretty, It sounds like Satoshi chose the one that wasn't
certified. which was the only one that didn't actually have a backdoor. Have a backdoor that
the, specifically that the NSA had an access to, because it could still have backdoors in
a sense, right, from some other source. Yeah, yeah, right. At least the NSA doesn't have
a backdoor. Right, so that means that potentially government controls. It could be a different
intelligence agency, though, that knows what the NSA knows. Sure. But this specifically
was, you know, the NSA and... He referenced the Snowden stuff and how Snowden had. And
the government wasn't really prepared for that. So it's not like they could have, unless everything
we've ever, even Snowden was like a plant to suggest that we had some sort of insight into
what's going on. Well, Snowden clearly pissed off the government. Right, so I'm saying the
government probably wasn't prepared for that. So that lens, credibility to the fact that
it was an authentic, you know. Right. It was a bit of knowledge. No shit. Like, if what
this guy is saying is true, there's not really a way around the fact that Satoshi had to work
for an intelligence agency, not necessarily only the NSA. And not necessarily American
because it's possible other intelligence agencies have spied on ours and know what our capabilities
are. Or have friends and allies within the different governmental bodies or whatever. Yeah, so it
really just means that they had some sort of inside knowledge, you know, and their personal
goals with Bitcoin did not align with whatever agency they were working for at the time. Right,
because if... They worked for the NSA and they were loyal to the NSA. And if Bitcoin was an
NSA tool, they would have used one of those certified methods. That did have a backdoor.
And they would have kept it quiet for the whole time. They would have allowed Bitcoin to grow
until, you know, at the point where they wanted to seize it. Yep. Either seize it or take control
of it when it became a world currency. Like to, you know, wait to the point where it becomes
the new currency and then you have control over it. Instead of it being decentralized, it's
now centralized again. Right. You can use your back door to take control of anyone's wallet.
So you can then use force to control the population the same way that you would do it. Which would
fundamentally break Bitcoin. And if Bitcoin was the world currency when that happened,
it would cause crazy economic turmoil. Yep. Or at least fear. stuff just like we do now
like you're the government has full control of your money like if you piss them off they
can just come and take it right they can just seize it seize it with the cooperation of your
bank yeah that's interesting huh good tidbit but uh turns out uh satoshi was a insider who
was not working for the government in The creation of Bitcoin. So yeah, that gets us. Unless another
intelligence agency is sitting on a backdoor for this randomizer algorithm. Right, and that's
what I meant by the fact that, you would think that if the NSA is the one that was creating
these backdoors into the randomizers, that had the backdoors and all the other randomizers,
you would think that they would have one. Unless. the person who created the randomizer didn't
want the NSA to have it, but you would think that even if it was a governmental agency,
like the whole Snowden thing would have been, like, I don't know, I guess it depends. Yeah,
I mean, it could be another governmental agency or it could be another private company or agency
that has the back door. Yeah, I mean, it's well known in computer science that governments
all over the world as well as corporations and hackers are constantly battling to collect
back doors to things. They're trying to collect things called zero day exploits. And a zero
day is just like, excuse me. A zero day is just a technique for hacking something. It's a way
to get into something. and it's called a zero day because whatever company is responsible
for producing that thing has had zero days to patch it. Yep. And so if you have like unknown
zero day exploit, if you're a white hat hacker, you would go to the company whose product it
is and they would pay you a bounty to turn in that zero day exploit to them so they could
patch it. If you're a government actor, you'll likely collect it and keep it quiet, not let
that company know so that you can use that in law enforcement cases or in espionage or whatever.
If you're a black hat hacker, the ones who actually are trying to steal things, then obviously
you're going to hang on to that info for your own use for theft or blackmail or whatever
you need.
Interesting. Okay. So much other Correspondence. Yeah, we had a couple small comments. I did
have a buddy comment actually a cousin comment saying that Asking what's a good wallet to
start with and so if you A, I've got links in the show notes of the Bitcoin episode with
like all these different wallet links and stuff. I will leave those at the beginning of these
show notes too, if you're interested. But if you go on bitcoin.org, which is a great website
that's like a nonprofit just for like Bitcoin education and stuff, they've got a bunch of
recommended wallets. That's a good place to learn the basics of Bitcoin for onboarding
and like learning the basics. Anyway, they got some wallets there. There's a Reddit group
called Bitcoin Beginners and they have a Bitcoin FAQ for beginners and on there they review
a bunch of different wallet software and kind of go over the pros and cons. I'll leave that
link and then personally I enjoy the Exodus wallet. It's cool. It's multi crypto wallet.
It's got a lot of features but... Is that the one that's like app based and web based? There's
a bunch of wallets that are, but this one's an app. Yeah, this one's an app. But it's a
multi-platform, so I can have it on all my devices and whatnot. Anyway. Yeah, I think that's it
for Correspondence this week. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, we could dive into this episode. Let's
do it. So I know you've been reading a book. Yeah, I've been reading a book by Christopher
Knight. It's called Who Built the Moon. It's Christopher Knight and a co-author, Alan Butler.
And these are the guys that wrote a book called Civilization One, which is a sweet book I read
years and years ago when I was first getting into these weird topics. It's a cool book that
essentially makes the case by hunting down the origins of our measurement systems across the
world. They essentially branch like a family tree. They have relations to each other and
they were able to use that information to trace back and suggest evidence that all of these
ancient measurement systems are actually related to a source measurement system. from a source
civilization and that essentially the different branches of measurement have all come from
one source. In the process of that, they ended up finding some weird measurement details about
the moon and that inspired them to write this book and they kept investigating about the
moon, found all this weird stuff going on with it. I haven't finished the book yet, so. Maybe
we can do like a partial part two on our next episode or something and review if there's
anything interested in this latter half of the book that I haven't gotten through yet. Okay,
yeah. Yeah, once you finish it, if you find stuff that you wanna bring up, I think the
next episode will probably be another secret history of the world, so. Right, right. We'll
probably easily start off with something like that. Yeah. So let me get to my notes here.
So I don't know how you wanted to start this, but I mean, the moon is weird. There's a lot
of things about the moon that science can't explain. Right. You know, the formation, its
formation, you know, that's kind of like formation. Yeah. I was going to say, cause that kind of
like sets us off. Like the fact that we don't know how it was formed. Sure. We have a lot
of theories or hypothesis about how it was formed, but. We haven't, there's no, you know, factual,
fully like understood. Yeah. So let me, let me first try and convince people that the moon
is weird if, I mean, cause a lot of people who haven't read it on this topic, are like, well,
I mean, the moon's the moon. We've seen it there our whole life. Everyone's always seen it.
It's a moon. Other planets have moons. We have a moon. What's so weird? Right. Well, Let's
talk about some of the weird things of the moon. So first off, the weirdest thing about the
moon is its size. Yeah. The moon is way bigger compared to Earth, its host planet, than any
other moon in the solar system. It's its planet, right? Right, versus its planet. It was with
the one exception of Pluto and it has a body, but it's... It's like half the size of Pluto,
which is really big. Yeah. But it's almost so big that it's, can you even call it a moon?
Because it's almost like they likely co-orbit each other. Yeah. I was going to say, don't
they call it like a binary planet or like a dual planet or whatever? So it's unclear whether
or not that even counts as a moon. Plus Pluto doesn't even count as a planet anymore. So
there's going to be all sorts of weird stuff happen out there. Yeah. in the Kuiper belt.
Near, yeah, nearest it. But every other planet, their moons are tiny compared to the host planet.
There are two other moons that are larger than our moon, but those are moons of Jupiter, which
is gigantic. Right, so it could be larger and still be at the scale. Right. They're small
enough scale. Still their scale compared to Jupiter. is more in line with what we notice
of moons. And these smaller moons kind of make sense. If the formation were to happen as the
planet is forming, you can think of the proto solar system as this soup of all this matter
and gas. different material spinning together and collecting, and you get these planets forming
in these accretion disks. And at the time that the planet's forming, if not all the material
forms into that same mold, you can get smaller lumps on the outside that can form into moons.
But... that makes sense for smaller moons, it really doesn't make sense for something like
our moon. And there's ways, scientific ways to tell and investigate and figure out formation.
Yeah, the point about accretion that I know, you know, is that when you have an accretion
type of formation, the planet or the planet and its moon share a lot of the same traits.
Mm-hmm. Right? Don't they, they would share a lot of the same fundamental building blocks.
Right. It's just on a different scale. Well, they would be different because the, the layers
of the accretion disc would likely, Oh, they would form like different. Denser material
on the inside, than on the outside. So you can get different component makeups if they co-form
together from the same accretion disc. So the less dense, and that could explain in a sense,
and that's probably why this theory came out in the first place, is that the less dense
stuff is what formed the moon, and that's why this moon is so much less dense than the Earth.
Well, yeah, so back on why the moon is weird, so it's, I think it's a little over a quarter
the size of Earth, just a little bit, but it's only like 1%. the mass of Earth So it's super
light for its size Compared to Earth Also solar eclipses are weird Like total eclipses, yeah.
Total solar eclipses, like what's going to happen in April 8th, which will be in the past for
you guys when you hear this. But for us, it's in three days. It'll be a day ago. Oh, no.
I guess it'll be a week and a day ago. Yeah. That's right. So the thing about solar eclipses
is that in order for it to work, the moon must, from Earth, be at least the size of the sun
or bigger. Right? And so there's this weird thing with the moon where the sun is actually
400 times larger than the moon and the moon is 1 400th the distance to the sun. Yeah. And
so it appears as though the moon and the sun are the same size in the sky. Obviously, depending
on the eccentricity of the moon's orbit, it gets closer and further at different times.
Right. But the fact that it can happen at all is super weird. You know, and I was watching
a debunking theory about this, and it was talking about how it only happens 31% of the time.
That it could happen. And that's still a lot. And it's just the fact that it is the size
that it is, at the distance it is, is pretty crazy that we could have these. Like, do we
know of any other planet, moon, sun? There's no other planet in the solar system that has
full solar eclipses. Could it happen on another planet? it just wouldn't happen in the same
magnitude, right? So like it would happen, you would have to be like an ant on the surface
of another planet. No, it doesn't matter what size you are. The perspective. Yeah, your size
doesn't necessarily change that perspective.
It would change the perspective of things that are close to you, but it wouldn't change the
perspective of things that are farther away. That far away. Yeah.
what you would need like, say Jupiter were to have full solar eclipses, it's further from
the sun than Earth. You know what? Now I'm not even sure, because it's further than Earth.
And so it would need one of its moons to be, take the same distance from Jupiter to the
sun, and then Take one divided by that, and that should be the distance from Jupiter to
its moon. And the size of its moon. And the moon should be, yeah, exactly that amount,
less size than the sun in order for it to perfectly make an eclipse. But I don't think any other
moon in the solar system does that. At least that we've discovered, right? Like, we'd have
to be on the surface to really know. You could calculate it. We know enough details. Good
thing. Yeah, we know about the orbital mechanics and the sizes of all the different planets
and moons that we know about. But it's definitely nothing that I've heard about in doing the
research. Right, right. So that was the accretion theory. The other thing that's interesting
about solar eclipses is the way they work. So the Earth, or the moon goes around the earth
in about 29 days, right? Yeah. And its orbit around the earth has about a five degree tilt
from our plane with the sun. And that's why we don't get eclipses every time the moon comes
around near the sun on a new moon, right? Every time there's a new moon, it's a new moon because
We look out at the sky and there's the moon and behind it is the sun. And so the moon is
backlit, which is the dark side pointing towards us, which is the shadow of the moon pointing
towards us, but it doesn't fall on the earth because it's five degrees up or down, right?
So if you look at... the plane, the plane of the ecliptic that the Earth is on with the
Sun. So it's backwards, but the shadow is not hitting the Earth. The shadow is going past
Earth. Right. I see. Yeah. So, if you have the plane of the ecliptic where the Earth orbits
around the Sun, and then you have the plane of the Moon five degrees off from that, that
means there's only two times in our orbit around the Sun where the Moon even can... perfectly
line up with the sun. Right, right, right. It has to be at that point where the moon crosses
from the top to the bottom side of the plane that we're on with the sun. Right. So there's
two times a year that it can happen. But it doesn't always happen because even those two
times it's not gonna happen, right? Right, well so not only when it crosses, but it has to
cross it in a position where on the other side. where the moon is directly pointed at the sun
from our perspective. Right, because it could happen in a sense, you know, based, because
we have so much water, it could happen where you would have to be on the ocean to see it.
Right, right, it does happen that way all the time. And then we see like a percentage of
the eclipse, but it's not a total eclipse unless you're... Right, right. Got you. So that's
interesting. There's basically two times a year that an eclipse can happen, a solar eclipse,
but it doesn't always happen. And it depends on where you are on Earth as to where the moon's
shadow will land. When was our last one? It was like 2019? I don't know. I don't think
that was the last one. That was the last one that we had a chance to see. I think it was
2019. Yeah. Which was really cool. If you guys have never seen a total solar eclipse, by the
time you hear this, it's too late to catch the one that's three days from now. But I highly
recommend it. It was a really cool experience when I went with my nephews. Watching everything
get dark and animals get quiet. So we live in California. And totality in that eclipse didn't
go through California. So we actually drove all the way up to Idaho. That's right. Which
our aunt lives up there, so that was cool. We were able to stay with her. But yeah, so we
go out there and we find this spot on the side of the road, right in the path of totality.
And we pull off and we sit there and wait. We got our eclipse glasses and you're watching
the moon slowly start to cover the sun. And then right as it was about to fully cover the
sun, super quiet, all the birds in the air landed and shut up. Any like bugs or anything, like
it just got like eerily silent because you know, freaks out the animal life. Like why is it
night? Like I'm a day animal, I usually hide at night. I'm gonna shut up and hide now. Is
really trippy. The view is just amazing. It's freaking gorgeous. It's got this golden hour
type of glow to it. Yeah. It looks like you're all of a sudden, yeah, in twilight. It's not
completely dark, but it's real dark. It's dark enough to make a big notice. Yeah. It's a pretty
incredible experience. Like dusk or dawn. Yeah. Oh, there's a, I'll leave a link to this. There's
a really cool YouTube channel, which I'm sure if you listen to someone like me, maybe you've
heard of, but it's called Smarter Every Day. This guy Destin, he's like a NASA scientist.
And he has this really great channel where he does all sorts of cool science stuff, but he
did an episode on that solar eclipse in 2019. Okay. And he... was able to calculate the perfect
place to go in order to photograph the eclipse and watch the space station transit across
the eclipse. Oh shit, that'd be cool. It was super cool. That's cool. So he has a video
of that or no? Yeah, he has a video of it on YouTube. Because he went there and did that.
Yeah, and he got like nice high quality camera, and he pointed it right up at that, and they
were able to time it so that right in totality during the full eclipse, they're just able
to see the space station. Zoom across the disk. That's cool. Yeah, it is super cool. I highly
recommend checking it out. I want to watch that. But yeah, there's other stuff that's weird
about the moon. For instance, and I didn't get to do all my backup research on this, but essentially
there's a weird phenomenon on the moon where the craters that it has, they only go a maximum
of about like two or three miles deep no matter how wide they get. Right? So like you think
like the wider and wider and wider the crater, probably the bigger and bigger and bigger the
impactor that created it. Right. And you would think that the depth of the crater would get
proportionally deeper with the wider that the crater gets. And that is the case until you
get up to a certain point and reach that maximum depth. And once you reach that point, even
as the craters get bigger and bigger and bigger, they no longer get deeper anymore. Right. almost
like there's some crazy hard reinforced shell under the surface of the moon that prevents
entry any deeper. Yeah, I was gonna say, like we could go through some of these theories
on like how the moon, just to go back a little bit, like how the moon might've been, you know,
there's the capture theory, the accretion theory, which we went over a bit. The fission hypothesis,
which was basically that the Earth was spinning so fast that some of the material had broken
away to form the moon. Yeah, I think that was the first official. Yeah, I think that was
the first official scientific explanation. The one that's mostly accepted now, the most widely
accepted one is the giant impact theory. Right. And this is that there was a Mars sized planet
near Earth during its development or, you know. Yeah, early stages of development and it smashed
into it creating, you know, and then it was spinning and doing all its normal processes.
So it created the moon out of this giant impact that shot up a bunch of material into the into
space and then the gravity kind of pulled it together and formed the moon. Right. But the
devil's in the details with that theory as far as how far it goes because In order for the
theory to work, and in order for the moon to be the moon we have, the impact had to be at
such an angle. Such a perfect angle. And velocity that essentially only the mantle of the earth
and whatever that, or the proto-earth and that protoplanet that collided, only the mantle
material of those two got spit out. form the moon. Right, and not the actual interior core
or anything like that. Right, and there's another problem with that theory where essentially
in order for something to hit the Earth and create the moon in that way, it has to hit
it at kind of an angle. And in doing that, it would impart incredible angular momentum onto
the Earth. And our... rotation speed would be incredibly high and our days would be like
a few hours long. Right. And so in order to correct for that, the theory later evolved
into two impacts where the first impact created the moon and then the second impact slowed
the earth's rotation back down. So I mean couldn't the slowing of the rotation be due to gravity
on on other objects like within the solar system. Yeah, but that's gonna be a really gradual
slowing. Sure. We're talking about proto-earth. Right, but there's, you know, an object in
motion stays in motion unless acted upon by an outside force, right? And so when you impart
incredible rotational angular velocity onto the proto-earth, it can be slowly, you know,
slowed down by that forming moon and by tidal forces and other gravitational forces. But
the effects of those is minuscule compared to the huge impact that imparted that momentum.
Right, right. That makes sense. Which is why they had to introduce a second impact in order
to get rid of it, because there wasn't otherwise we would still to this day have way too much
angular momentum. So the original theory didn't hold up, and they had to adjust it, basically.
Right. And I think it's changed a few more times since that version. I don't know that that's
the modern version of the theory. Probably not, yeah. So I just wanted to, before we finish
that part, like just talking about the formation, I wanted to read this quote from Dr. Rohan
Brad of NASA. It seems much easier to explain the non-existence of the moon than its existence.
Mm-hmm. There is a variation, I don't know if it's the same person, who said like, the best
explanation for the moon is observational error. The moon doesn't exist. Now, probably not the
same person, but that's great. I think we might be up on a break here. Yeah, I think we are.
So we'll come back and we'll dive a little bit deeper into the moon. At least as deep as that
shell. Three months. deep into the memory of an old friend. Alright, we'll see you in a
bit. Be back.
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We are back. Yeah, yeah. So we left off on a little quote from Dr. Rohan Brett. And where
do you want to go from there? So what were the other formation theories? You had them written
out? Oh, yeah. I've got them here, too. Capture theory, the accretion hypothesis. I think the
first one was the fission theory. Yeah, fission. Which. was the idea that the earth was rotating
so fast that it essentially threw the material of the moon off of it. Yep. And... Which would
make sense for the outer stuff to be the lightest, less, you know, the less dense stuff. Right,
right. And then it could throw them off. But the problem with that one is even the semi-liquid
earth, like, is too much viscosity for rotation to overcome that. without extreme rotation,
which again, we'd be back in the same problem with too much rotation. Right, right. Then
there's the co-accretion theory, which is the idea that Earth had rings like Saturn that
formed into the moon. That essentially the material of Earth, leftover material from Earth's accretion
disk formed into the moon.
But apparently that also doesn't work with the observed angular momentum because if it formed
that way, I believe it would have a faster day, moon day. And it wouldn't be tidally locked
to us where we see the same side always. What is the cause? Did you do any research on what
the cause of the tidal lock was? I don't. No, I didn't. Yeah, I wish I would have actually
figured out why it's totally... Why don't we ask Chad GBT? That's a great question to ask
Chad GBT. What is the best reason that we have right now for why the moon is tidally locked
to the earth? Please keep it to a paragraph or two. The moon is tidally locked to earth
due to tidal friction. Over millions of years, the gravitational forces between the Earth
and the Moon slowed the Moon's rotation to the point where the same side always faces Earth.
This process, known as tidal locking, occurs because the Earth's gravitational pull exerted
a stronger torque on the closest part of the Moon, creating tidal bulges. Over time, the
energy dissipation from the internal friction within the Moon, caused by the Earth's gravitational
forces, led to a synchronization of the Moon's rotational period with its orbital period around
Earth. This means the Moon rotates on its axis in the same amount of time it takes to orbit
Earth, resulting in the same hemisphere always facing towards us. Right. So it still rotates
in the sense that it needs to, but it rotates around, like it stays facing the Earth in the
same way, but as it rotates the Earth, it's rotating the same amount. So that's always
the same face, but it's still rotating in a sense of there's still parts of it that are
being shown to the, like, like there's still sun being beaten on it. Right. Well, it's going
around us and the same face is always facing us, which means it has to rotate in order to
keep showing us the same face. If it didn't rotate at all, we would see a different side
of it each quarter of its orbit. Which would be, yeah. So every. few days we'd see a different.
So, but then there's the difference between like the full rotation, like the orbital rotation.
So like essentially it does one quote-unquote one full turn per orbit, but that just makes
its face back to earth. But if you take into account like if you were looking above the
moon and you like put a mark on one side, the true orbital or the true rotation period Is
a little bit shorter before that same point faces the same way But because the earth and
the movement are moving together around the Sun it has to compensate for the new position
of the earth So it takes 27 days For a side real day of the moon and it takes 29 days,
which is the same as its orbit around the earth for a rotation A little bit of leeway there.
Yeah. Interesting. OK. Then so that's the co-accretion. Then there's the intact capture theory that
got popular for a little while. Like it came fully formed into the solar system and was
captured by the Earth's gravitational force. Right, which is probably even. It's probably
a competition between that and the current theory as to which is less likely Yeah because it
would be incredible for the thing to be coming at us at the exact speed velocity and Like
position that would allow the earth to capture it. It's It would be incredible. Yeah, so that
theory fell out of favor
And it's also more likely in way more scenarios, if that were to happen, more times than not,
it would end up hitting the earth, rather than being captured by it. And then there's the
idea of like, there's people who put multiple of these theories together into one. Oh, yeah,
like hybrids. Where they do like, they say there's like, the giant impact theory. but also that
it was a fission thing. That impact happened during a point in the proto-earth being formed,
that there was an impact where it was impacted in a form where it wasn't a solid body that
it hit, but it hit, almost like if you think of two, so the visualization that I saw was
what looked like two. you know, spheres of like sand hitting each other in their in their rotational,
like they're rotating and as they hit, they kind of like spun around each other, and then
separated and came back together multiple times to create, eventually the earth and a smaller
body outside of it. Right. Almost like a fission and a giant impact at once. Right. And that
might lend credibility to the second impact, right? There being an initial impact that spun
it fast and then it was shot back out, but then the gravity brought it back in. There was a
second impact. I think that's essentially a variation on the current theory. Yeah.
But there's other weird things about the moon, which is that it's likely hollow, or at least
the interior is spongy, or has pockets of hollow. But we know that most of the moon's mass is
on the outside. One of the ways we know that is because they've sent up probes to do a gravity
map of the moon. The first number of missions that went to the moon failed. They would either
hit the moon or they would miss the moon. There was a whole bunch of failures in trying to
go to the moon. It was found out later that the moon has a really kind of erratic gravitational
field. It's not very uniform as you go around it, which causes you, if you're flying a spacecraft,
to have to constantly be making like corrections. Major adjustments, yeah. And so they finally
sent a probe out there to map the gravity. And with that gravity map, they were able to compare
it to. the actual map of the moon, like the topological map, and they were able to find
that the gravity anomalies have a high correlation with the shape of the mass of the moon from
the exterior. So like mountain ranges, for instance, like big mountains are gonna be more massive,
and then you're gonna see a gravity anomaly in that area. And other areas where there's,
you know, maybe a big valley or whatever, there'll be less gravity. And so the gravity maps onto
the normal map actually pretty well, which means that it's the outer mass of the moon, which
is creating the gravitational forces, creating the weird gravity anomalies. It's not an iron
core. If it was uniform, you would suggest like the Earth, it gets more uniform of gravitational.
So that it lends the idea that we have a solid core. Right, so for the Earth, we do have gravitational
anomalies as well. And we have a gravity map of the Earth. And it's not uniform, but it's
the differences between the extremes of the high and low gravity are way smaller. It doesn't
vary from its quote unquote uniform gravitational level. You know, right, right. It's not like
as you fly over the Rockies, there's a gravity spike for the Rockies because it's not the
surface. The surface of the earth is minuscule compared to the internal mass. And so really
it takes something big, some sort of big cavity, some sort of big like iron deposit or some
sort of. Shift in the way it... Shift inside the Earth to explain the anomalies of Earth's
gravity. Yeah, so the surface is not affecting the gravity on Earth. It's what's happening
within Earth. I mean, it is, but it's so minuscule. Yeah, you're not going to feel it flying an
airplane across, right? Right, right. Or like the satellite orbits aren't going to have to
correct for it. Right, right. So it's interesting. So yeah, the moon has a lot of its mass towards
the outer side of it, towards the outside. And because of that, the moon also rings like a
bell. Yeah, so the Apollo 12 mission, they had set up seismic seismometers on the moon in
order to capture some of these. moonquakes that were happening. And also what they decided
to do on their descent or when they were leaving the moon was crash back the lander. Right,
so they took the lander and they met up with the spacecraft orbiting the moon and they docked,
got back on. And then they shot it back down. They shot it back down at the moon. And it
hit with like, I think it was like the force of like a thousand tons of TNT. Yeah, and they
pointed it near one of their seismometers that they had installed so that it could detect
what was going on. And the seismometer, there was a weird effect when it hit is that the
moon rung for about an hour. The impact took about eight or nine seconds to build up to
its highest. point of reverberation and then a slow decay of a little less than an hour
before the reverberations finally went away. Which doesn't happen on Earth. Right, well
it's also weird that it built up to a high point, right? Because you would expect if it was a
solid mass that it would hit and the most strong resonance would be right then and there. And
then it would just decay from there. but the fact that it built means those waves were moving
around the moon and the resonances were interacting with each other to cancel and build causing
a peak to build. Meaning that they weren't hitting anything else to impede those waves. Meaning
those waves were traveling around the moon and interacting with each other. Yeah. To... And
not... and likely very little else. That's what gives us this idea of Hollow Moon. And also
the effect that... There was a ton of TNT, the Apollo 12 one. But then Apollo 13 did it as
well. So Apollo 13 was the mission where they had the explosion. Oh yeah. That's the famous
one with the Apollo 13 Tom Cruise movie. Where they were going to land on the moon, but they
had an explosion on the way to the moon. And instead, they used the moon as a gravity assist
to sling back to Earth. But in doing that, after they swung around the dark side of the moon
and started heading back towards Earth, they ejected their entire landing module. So 12
had landed. And done all their stuff. Got rid of all their stuff. The actual lander has multiple
stages. And the part that shoots back up is just part of that. That stays behind. Right.
Yeah. So Apollo 13 jettisoned that whole thing. Just for science, for the sake of science.
Well, no, I think it was- Did they need it? I think it was to help them. Yeah, and to get
rid of the dead weight and stuff. It's a happy coincidence that it's good for science too.
So they eject it, and this one hits much harder than the Apollo 12 one. Which was how much?
This one was 11.5 tons of TNT versus the one ton of TNT on Apollo 12. And it reached peak
intensity after seven minutes. And then it took almost three and a half hours before the reverberations
finally went away. Traveling to the depth of 25 miles. Yeah. Nothing is going to travel
that far in the Earth. Yeah, yeah, that's exactly what seismic scientists do. Well, I mean, the
reverberations of something that impacts Earth, would it travel that deep? If we got hit by
a big enough impactor, that's going to send reverberations around the Earth. But the thing
is, the Earth is so much more solid, and it's got that liquid core. So as it hits the liquid,
the liquid's the change of material is going to cause like a loss of energy and a spreading.
And so it's not, the earth won't keep ringing for hours but those reverberations will travel
out through the crust. So at the very least, we're talking about the earth or the moon's
core being much less dense than the outside, the mantle of the moon. core being so much
less dense than the mantle. Well, so apparently there's been more studies and they've settled
on that the moon does have an iron core. But that it's really small compared to the size
of the moon. It's like 480 miles or something, which is tiny compared to the size of the moon.
So it's tiny, it's less dense than still the rest of the material that make up the surface.
Yeah, it's what's between that iron core and the exterior, the crust of the moon. You can
still have a core. There has to be, it has to be empty or it has to be some incredibly light
material. And the problem with that is that now the moon formation theory, like how do
you explain a thing hitting Earth and spitting out a bunch of material? How do you explain
that forming in such a way to where there's a little core, a bunch of either nothing or
sponginess, and then the majority of the mass on the outside so that the mountain ranges
affect the gravity. Right, and then having the shell that protects you and then all that massive
stuff. Because normally you would think the heavy stuff would have sunk in past whatever
that spongy material is because you know. In theory, it should have been molten as it was
being formed too, right? Being ejected from Earth. Well, there's stories of it being like
a volcano. So why didn't the heaviest stuff all fall down into the center? Because that's
not where the gravity was pulling it to. It was pulling it out. And that goes into this
other evidence. Well, no, gravity always pulls to the center of mass. So even if the outside
is where all the mass is, it's the center of mass that is the effective point of pulling
your gravity. Yeah, but it's- So like a basketball, right? It's hollow. It's just air inside, but
the outside is where all the mass is, but the center of mass is still the center. So if a
basketball was strong enough to pull its own outside inward, it would, the outside material
would go in and the air would go out. because the gravity would pull more on the denser material
or the denser material would displace the lighter material. Sure. But then there's this evidence
of like the surface debris of the moon being older than the rock below it on the more interior.
Yeah, that's what, so that to me could make sense because the moon's constantly getting
hit by stuff. We see it's all pockmarked, it's been hit a bunch of times. And so it could
be, I mean, a lot of the stuff it's gonna be hit by is stuff that's been flying around the
solar system since the formation of the solar system before even the earth formed. So having
older material on the outside isn't a huge mystery to me, but yeah. I think it's just because
it's being hit by stuff that's older than it is. Yeah, I guess that could give that some
credence there. And then there's the fact that the moon doesn't have a magnetic field, but
a lot of the moon rocks that are brought back to Earth are strongly magnetized. Mm-hmm. That's
an anomaly. Yeah.
So there's this guy quoted in the Who Built the Moon book. He's a data and photo control
scientist. His name is Ken Johnston. He's from this company called Brown Root Northrop, which
is a NASA contractor. And he told the author Christopher Knight that when the moon got hit
by the Apollo 12 and 13, it didn't just reverberate, it actually wobbled. So he says, the moon wobbled
in a precise way, almost like it had gigantic hydraulic. hydraulic damper struts inside of
it. Yeah, so that makes me think of like, the image that I'm creating is like having an iron
core that helps with the center mass to create, to help with the fact that it's this large
structure. Then you have all of these like titanium struts or whatever material. That's even stronger.
Stronger, yeah. And these struts. Strong light weight. are jettisoned out to all of the edges,
almost like you would think of the Death Star from Star Wars. Yeah, and they're like hydraulic
so that when the moon gets hit they're able to like Move and adjust. Move with that in
order to Maintain all the rest of the... Because otherwise with such a small density, like something
big enough you would think would be able to knock it out of its orbit or knock it out enough
to cause damage to the way it rotates to something that would create catastrophe, right? It's
been bombarded so many times. Right. You would think eventually you would get hit by something
that could really do drastic damage to it. So maybe this is a way to dampen that. Yeah. So
over the eons. Yeah, so essentially what you're getting towards is this alternate moon theory,
which is that the moon is a freaking spaceship. It's an artificial structure. It's a body that
was put there to essentially, I don't know, we don't know what what, but maybe help the
development of life, stabilize the earth system. Either that or it had a purpose at one time
and no longer serves that purpose, but it's still there. Yeah, but it still serves a purpose
to us. Right. To our life development. Right. So here's some other interesting facts about
the moon, which is that we would not exist if the moon did not exist. Like, there would probably
still be life on the planet, but it would have gone a totally different route. So the moon.
Oh, this is a good time for that video. Oh, yeah. Because that kind of introduces this
concept. So Drew prepared a video here that I will play. This is from the History Channel
called The Universe Moon Mysteries Revealed, Season 2, Episode 3.
These intense tides help create the right conditions in the oceans for life to develop.
tied with the outer layers of the crust off of the earth and put them into the ocean. And
that mineral rich soup, the primordial soup, was capable of developing and evolving life.
And some scientists believe that tidal pools would have been an ideal setting for life to
evolve and adapt to a terrestrial environment.
That would have been a great place, for example, for the first creatures from the sea to get
their legs. They could have come into a tidal pool where it's wet half the day and dry half
the day, and it would have been a great place to grow your legs and eventually move on to
land.
According to... I think we go a little bit further. OK. To astronomer Neil Cummins, we can't underestimate
the moon's influence on our development as a species. Without the moon, I don't think that
process would have occurred nearly as quickly. We've evolved so that our biological clocks
are based on around 23, 24-hour time. If the moon had never existed... the day would be
six hours long? Yeah. So, which is pretty interesting. If the day was six hours long, life would be
totally different. There, yeah, what would that be like? Yeah, so I would assume that- There
would be less temperature swings throughout the day because you'd have less time of the
sun. pointing on to any given side of the earth. So I would think it would like almost even
out the temperature more. Huh. Well, and the point before that was like the fact that the
moon's effect on the earth created the tides. Right, so the tides exist without the moon.
Which then creates these tidal pools. Right, so the tides exist without the moon. Yeah,
the sun. Because the sun creates tides as well. But the sun tides only, they're about a third
as strong as the moon tides because the moon's so much closer to us. Yeah. But they affect
a larger area, I would assume. Right, right. And so, like, even if the moon is, like, some
sort of weird artificial body, the evidence is that the moon was. closer to Earth because
it is constantly moving a little bit further away. And so back in an early phase of Earth,
when the moon was much, much closer, there would have been gigantic tides. And these gigantic
tides would have created huge waves that move across the Earth and break apart the land and
break it into little minerals that wash out the sea. And that would have put all of the
the minerals in the sea that would help with the formation of life, right? And then life
takes off, you get fish, blah, blah. And then you create these tidal pools, would it say?
Right. These pools that are created inland that eventually dry up throughout the day. And then
when the tide comes back, it reconnects with itself. So then you get these creatures that
are being formed, the primordial soup that eventually have to evolve in that environment. Right,
especially because the moon and the sun only every so often do their gravity fields line
up in such a way that you get the biggest tides. Yeah, the super tides. Those super tides will
allow even bigger amounts of water to come in even further. And then when that recedes, you're
gonna leave these tide pools that are isolated for months. Yep. And so you get these bigger
chunks. And so you're essentially any life that lives on the coast and is prone to getting
stuck in these tide pools, it would be beneficial strategy to start evolving away to move around
in these shallow tide pools. And so fins turning into legs would make a lot of sense. Yeah,
and then during the chances you get to win those tide pools dry up with. whatever, then you
get to spread your legs and move about a bit and develop it. And over time you start walking
and yeah, yeah. So the moon definitely plays a big part. The formation of life itself. Your
mic's pretty far from you there. Yeah. Some other funny stuff we got here. Oh, actually
we're overdue for another break here. Take a quick break. We shall be back in just a few
seconds for you, but a few minutes for us. We'll see you in a bit. All right.
Vissara.
is the spaceship.
If it's not fully hollow, it's partially hollow. Welcome back to Duality Check. Yeah. Drew started
going off on a bunch of moon talk. I was like, nope, save it. Yeah, it's my personal theory
that I've like, through all this research from the last week, and like just watching the videos
and like digesting as much as I can on this topic. I think it might be better if we finish
like some of the facts about the moon. Sure, sure. Don't forget it. Yeah, I won't forget
it. I'll probably forget part of it.
So there's also some pretty strange
effects that have been observed of the moon. So like going back into ancient times, you
know, people have associated the moon with menstrual cycle for women. Sure. Because it's every month
and it goes through its cycle once a month. The month, MO, it's derived from the moon.
Oh. Monday, moon day. And somebody has an MO. You
got a certain MO. You only commit crimes during full moons. Right. That's your MO. Well, yeah.
So there have been some studies. that have showed that incidence of animal bites increased with
the full moon. Yeah. And there's so many things that are attributed to the full moon. Aggravated
assaults and homicides demonstrate a statistically significant clustering near the full moon.
But not all studies find that, so it's not really definitive. Well, and what? debunkers would
say about that specifically is that, oh, it's a full moon, so people can commit crimes because,
you know, or do certain things because they can see better, but you can also get caught
more easily. Right, but our language is built around the moon affecting us, the word lunatic,
lunacy. Yes, yes, people going crazy during a full moon, you know, and also the fact that
our bodies are made up of how much water? Yeah. and we know that the moon has an effect on
bodies of water. Right, right. So, you know, that also could contribute, and all of plant
life, all of, you know, like there's also, you know, animal, like you said, animal bites increase,
like there could be a, I mean, sure, it could be a coincidence, or it could actually have
some credence and, you know. That's what we're here to do, is to shed light on some of these
non-lesser known things and at least have the conversation. Because it's just because it
sounds crazy doesn't mean it is crazy. And you're not crazy for thinking a certain thing. You're
experiencing the world just the same way we are. The other thing the moon does for us is
it basically keeps us alive, right? So there's the orbit of the Earth.
Well, the earth rotates around its axis, right? But we have a 22 and a half degree tilt, okay?
And that tilt as we orbit is what accounts for the seasons. Yeah. Right? Other planets.
don't have that nice gentle tilt like Earth. So a lot of the other planets have like really
weird axes that are faced in like crazy directions. Like Venus is like turned over upside down.
I was gonna say, yeah. So that it rotates against its motion around the sun. And then, yeah,
so you can like look at the two extremes that we could have on Earth, right? So like if Earth,
Earth's axis was zero degrees. If it was pointed perfectly up and down, that would mean the
equator would be incredibly hot. It would never get a break. It would always be getting the
worst of the sun. It would be, yeah. And then at the Northern and Southern latitudes, we
would have just, like, it would never tilt towards the sun for like a summer season. So it would
be... permanently getting off-axis sunlight, and you would have crazy or cold on the poles,
even more than it is now. Right. And so there would essentially just be a couple bands of
like habitable weather in the North and South that are disconnected from each other. Which
is also a theory of, you know, the past here on Earth, not having an axis, or having a different.
North, south or something. So scientists attribute the moon for stabilizing our 22 and 1 half
degree tilt. To what it is? Well, yeah. The moon essentially allows us to keep that and
to not turn over. Even further to continue to top it. Some of the other planets in the solar
system, they're constantly changing their axes. But. because we have the moon and because it's
so large compared to us, it has an undue influence on stabilizing our orbit. Yeah, that's weird.
Which allows us to keep our seasons. Because of how massive it is in relation to us. Right.
The other extreme is if our pole was always pointed directly at the sun, then you would
have one side of the Earth that's always getting direct sunlight, and it would just be molten
magma. and the other side would never get sunlight, it would be perfect night always. You have
night and day perfectly and you would have a small, very, very small band that would be
habitable. And then you'd have to assume that there would be water, it could be water or
land at that band, right? But yeah, we're lucky because we get seasons and we get that. nice
gentle 22.5 degree tilt, which gives us the seasons. And we're locked there too, right?
So like. No, there's a nod to the tilt. When the moon. There's the procession. It depends
on where the moon is in relation to our tilt, or what? No. I think it's called a Milankovitch
cycle. But essentially, that 22 and 1.5 degrees changes slightly. But it vacillates. Up and
down a little bit. I think it's small though, like a degree. I don't know the number. So
yeah, it's not much, but also the moon is still what's responsible for pulling and keeping
us back. Right. Keeping us from fully tilting. Mm-hmm. Because imagine the just chaos that
would ensue if that happened all the time. Like life would be much more scarce than it is now.
You wouldn't be able to habit the amount of planet we are inhabiting. And that might be
something that happened in the past. Right. Without the moon. Imagine a world without a
moon. Well, the other thing is the world without a moon, A, we would orbit, like our day would
be super faster. The moon slows us down. So we would have like the video clip we played
said like an eight hour day. Six hour day, yeah. Six hour day. So there is the
text. from the Greeks, like the Arcadians, the people who lived at the time before the moon.
Like there's that whole theory of, you know, and this was, I think it was the Arcadians,
I think that was the name I'm thinking of. The Akkadians? I don't know. That's Arcadians.
But they're the ones who lived before the moon's presence, as if it had appeared at some point.
Yeah. You know, we were talking about the idea that this might be a craft of some kind or
created, and that it might have just appeared at some point in history where humans might
have been alive. Well, so there's issues with some of that, too, because we know that the
moon is made of roughly the same material as our Earth. I don't know how well they know,
because I We've drilled super deep into the moon, so the composition deeper down. But we
know that the rocks and the samples we've brought back, they have the same oxygen isotope that
we have here on Earth, which does essentially suggest that the moon was made up of Earth
material. Sure, it doesn't. mean it was nationally made that way either? Right, because, well,
yeah, because if any other planet is going to have different oxygen isotopes because it has
to do with how far you are away from the sun. It changes the composition of the molecules.
So we know that the moon was formed at our distance from the sun. Right, but still doesn't mean
that at least the samples we've been able to test sure I mean that basically says that it
wasn't something that was You know brought here from somewhere else, but it still doesn't mean
that it wasn't built right and it could have been built if it was built it could have been
built from the earth and You know take material from the earth to create this structure, right?
obviously, this is incredible like Yeah, I mean, it's Star Wars stuff. We're talking about what
you would imagine in a Star Wars universe. But maybe there's credence to a long time ago in
a galaxy far, far away. The moon's actually just a death star pointed at us at all times.
It's just waiting for us to do something. I was going to talk about it a bit. And maybe
this is a good time. I don't know how many other facts you want to go over. No, go for it. But
the idea. of the lizard people and how they inhabited, like they came from, it's kind of
like the story of the Anunnaki, like the 12th planet, it's basically the same. This is the
Ingoswans story. Ingoswans story and Ingoswans involvement in that. like the psychological
warfare that was happening in the late 40s and into the 60s. Yeah, and the psychic research,
like the MK Ultra. No, not the MK Ultra, what's the Project Stargate? Project Stargate, yep.
And so this Project Stargate, like, was, what's the term they use? And I don't know why I'm
forgetting this because I've heard it so many times. Projected consciousness like these are
the people that are able to project their consciousness. This is remote viewing remote viewing That's
yeah project as it's a If you want to look more into it, you can watch a Hollywood movie called
the men who stare at goats Which is that project but there's also the y-files the y-files. There's
a bunch of books about project star Mm-hmm, but the idea is basically these you know CIA
and recruited people who initially started in college research. They just were college students
or college researchers that were doing the remote viewing. And one of these remote viewers was
able to remote view highly classified military installation that caught the peak. that caught
the interest of the CIA and other government agencies. And they started using the remote
viewers to, you know, view places all over the earth for intelligence and also other places
because they had information. And whether or not you believe in remote viewing, the government
did. The government believed at the time. And this was a real project they had going on.
Yeah, and it's actually like Ingo Swann's name has been verified on declassified information
that's coming out, you know, more recently. Right. His association with the CIA. His association
with the CIA and remote viewing project and all that has been declassified. And we'll link
as much as we can on some of this stuff. But the story was basically that they, you know,
remote viewed the dark side of the moon where they saw mushroom-like. buildings and Ingo
Swan went up to a window where these humanoid creatures were doing going about their business
working in a lab or whatever working in a lab and he was just you know watching what they
were doing and They noticed him yeah, he's remote viewing a facility back of the moon and he
turns around they turn around and look at him and start pointing at him. And the person who's
introduced him to this project and brought him in on all this, basically tells him, you need
to come back now to this place and leave there immediately. And when he gets back, he basically
tells his handler, the person that brought him in, you already knew they were psychic, right?
So these are psychic beings that are living on the. the far side of the moon. Which gels
with people's experiences. People who have had abduction experiences, it's super common to
describe them as communicating telepathically. Yeah. And then the mushroom buildings was also
something that the CIA or NSA, one of the people who were investigating Christopher Bledsoe.
They said that there was some mushroom-like buildings on the far side of the moon. That
was Hal Pavenmeyer. Yes. It was a conversation Chris Bledsoe had with Hal Pavenmeyer. And
Hal told him. And he was the person who did a lot of the moon research early on in NASA
that we had talked about previously. Right. He was the one doing the occultation study.
Yep. So he had all of the information that was being gathered from all these early Apollo
missions. Right. And he had access to all that. And he's telling, you know, Christopher Bledsoe
that, yes, there are bases and, yes, I mean, let's take this all to grain of salt. But like,
if you believe that there's something going on and you've experienced things and, you know,
you're open-minded, then it's, it all kind of comes back together. There's also the phenomenon
called transient lunar phenomenon. Have you heard of these? Yes. So these have been known
for hundreds of years. Yeah, so it says, or I looked it up and it said, NASA had reported
that between 1540 and 1967, there were more than 570 sightings of light flashes on the
moon. And this is what they had. a later called TLPs, which are transient lunar phenomena.
And these are just all sorts. And then there was like the atmosphere that has been on and
off scene. And like clouds and stuff. And water vapor. And so, you know, there's different
explanations. Like there's the explanations that... To reflection. Well, that there's reflections
is one. One explanation is that there's like, pockets of gas that escape and that certain
types of gas because if they were released out onto the surface of the moon would not have
the magnetosphere and the atmosphere of the earth to protect them from the sun's radiation,
they would be exposed to it. And that the sun could essentially impart energy on these gases
to cause them to light up. I see. And that would happen between here and the moon? Yeah, well
that could happen on the surface of the moon if the moon releases certain gases that can
be affected by the sun's energy in that way. Like the different neon gases and whatnot that
are common here on earth. What, less common there? Well, no, I mean, if the moon was formed
from the earth, they should be relatively as common as it is in our mantle in theory. But
yeah. Yeah, we can't determine whether the motion's the same or not. So those are the three main
ones. There's impacts. So if something hits, it would light up a flash. But some of the
lights are seen for hours or days even. And some of them are really quick flashes. And
it's been happening either back in 1540. Yeah. Like even back as far as Aristotle times We
yeah like ever since we've had the ability to have telescopes trained on the moon Which the
telescope was like between 15 I mean early astronomers. Yeah early astronomers We're seeing these phenomena
because they're staring up there and they have clear skies and they have great views, you
know so it could be all of the scientific explanations, but it could also be the moons of spaceship
and setting out, you know, lighting up, running different systems. How frequent? So if it's
only 570, that's the number I got. 570 sightings of these. That was only a couple year period.
That was only within, well, that was, that was like 400 years, 420 years. Oh, between 1540
BC to 1967. Yeah. Uh, those are the documented ones anyway. Right, right. And it only goes
up to 1967, so. Right. It's still happening today. People are still seeing these phenomena
today. Yeah, I think they're spotted on average like two or three times a month. Right. Yeah,
so it's happening still. Yeah. Which is super interesting. The moon is weird. Yeah, it's
very weird. Maybe we go into a break here. What are you thinking? Unless you get some for that
part yet. Oh yeah, we are.
Yeah, I think this is a good time for that. I'll lead us in with this quote. We can spin
off that.
Oh, when we're back, I thought... Yeah, nah, man, when we're back, we'll lead us into the...
You're ready for me. I was thinking you're gonna leave us out. Okay, cool. We will be back.
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So I'm just gonna lead us in here with the... So this is a snippet from Secret History. Yeah,
it's a semi-relevant in the sense that it'll spin us off into some conversations, hopefully.
And this is from chapter seven, the age of demigods and heroes. And the part that I wanted to cover
was basically just this. In the mystery schools, it was taught that a decisive change in this
direction came about in 13,000 BC. From then on, the higher gods would find it difficult
to descend further than the moon. Their visits to the surface of earth became in very infrequent
fleeting. It was believed that on these visits, they accidentally left behind the strange and
unearthly mistletoe, a plant which cannot grow in the soils of earth, but which grew naturally
on the moon. Yeah. I mean, I don't really see things grow naturally on the moon as likely,
but. But if we're talking about is a certain type of life. Yeah. So like if we're talking
about this whole idea of the spaceship or beings living on the dark side of the moon or, you
know, these ideas that we were, you know, hinting at in the last segment, it could mean that
the higher. entities or the entities that have a higher consciousness, that can perceive a
higher consciousness, are limited to the moon. Right. As the is the closest they can get to
the earth. Yeah. But we know that the moon affects earth in a metaphysical way. So in a sense,
these gods have a way to change or, you know, gods of old. But what would now be considered
just, you know, sentient entities, whether they be more advanced than us or not.
I like the idea that the gods, there was a time when they were on earth ruling over mankind
and at some point they pulled back and they just ended up chilling on a moon base. And
just watching or intervening, like these UAPs could be so sort of unmanned. aerial thing
that's coming from the moon. And the grays are the drones of the God that can come down here.
Yeah, because they're the... Abduct us and bring us up. Yeah. Yep. And then their consciousness
is like this Chris Bledsoe stuff where they're projecting their consciousness on earth into
his mind. It's still in a lot of his stories where he's being abducted, quote unquote. He's
brought somewhere else by these helper or these lower, but still higher than him, beings, the
aliens, are taking him into their ship and he's being brought somewhere where they can project
their consciousness on him and affect his reality in a sense. Yeah. I think when he got brought
to go talk to the lady, He was like outside of our galaxy even. Because I think when they
asked him where he was, I thought he said he was like on the other side of Andromeda or
something, right? Yeah, he said beyond Andromeda or something like that. So they definitely
brought him somewhere much beyond the moon even. So that could be even higher level, right?
Because I remember even the Waspie ideals of like there being this hierarchy. So yeah, this
is where this moon topic ties in with the UFO topic. If there are beings visiting us and
have the capability to travel across galaxies, then all of a sudden it seems a lot less incredulous
that they would have the technology to create and maintain an artificial moon for the earth.
Right. That's when the idea that these, whoever, maybe it's who the gods are that we've been
talking about as humanity over the millennia, but they come down here, they see that the
earth is, habitable to life. or whatever, or it's like got a really good potential for life.
And so they help it along by creating a young moon out of the earth that puts into place,
you know, maybe what they do is they strike the earth with the body. Like these theories
don't have to be mutually exclusive. That's true. That's why that super theory where they
kind of combine them all kind of makes a little bit of sense. If they strike the earth with
something at just the right angle and speed to create the moon. And then they could strike
it again to slow it down. To slow it down and then they as the moon is all that material
is out there they use it floating out there as their perfect construction site to assemble
it in the way they want it assembled. Yeah. Which explains the weird mass distribution.
Yeah, and if they're this advanced, the technology I'm imagining is where they have this core,
where they got this controlled iron in a core, where they've got these arms and a plate of
titanium or whatever hard substance it is. tons of titanium and chromium, zirconium, on the
moon that's been discovered. And these are rare on earth, but they're plenty on the moon. On
asteroids. And on the moon. And so you would assume that if a race of sentient beings had
access to that, they could create this shell. And then what I'm imagining is Um, like they
have a technology to bring matter in, like to create this gravity. So then all this stuff
that's, that's been shot off of earth, they just activate a switch and they've got all
of the internal structure already in place where all it has to do is attract the, the material
to its surface and it almost create like Like sucks it all up like a vacuum. Oh, that's an
interesting idea. OK, yeah. So like you're saying, that's interesting how similar ours are, but
yours is even cooler. So like say they have some sort of craft with like gravity control.
And it's made out, it's got some like super dense core. It's got like a system all ready
to go for like maintaining the reverberations from strikes and stuff. and it's got this super
hard exterior, and they shoot something into the earth to kick out all this rubble, and
then they use their gravity tech to suck all that stuff in, and collect it around the outside
of their craft. And that's now the mass of the structure. Right, and so you would have to
dig at least three miles deep to get to it. Interesting. To see what's going on the inside.
Which is why the asteroids don't penetrate further than that when they hit the moon, why the craters
don't go deeper. That's why you still have the core, like they detect the core. Right, right.
That's where my kind of theory took me. Huh, yeah, I like that idea. So like a vacuum cleaner,
essentially, like it just. Yeah, a universal vacuum cleaner that they can turn on a switch
to. create this gravitational force from the mass it is. And then, so in Who Built the Moon
with Christopher Knight, he's talking, like the theory he's proposing is that it's essentially
a, it's like a clue, a hint, and it's also like a time capsule. Okay, so he's like. All right,
so let's say you're some civilization who lives super far away and you turn earth into your
garden. Okay, and you wanna create life there and get it all ready to go. And you wanna come
back once it reaches a certain level. So what do you do? You set up a bunch of clues that
only... And you create the moon in a way to create a stable atmosphere, to allow for seasons,
to allow for tides, to allow for the optimum development of life on the planet. And then
with that same stabilizing device, that moon, you set it in a trajectory so it will constantly
be moving away from its planet. And you know that in a given amount of time with the processes
it will put in place on that Earth, it will. ultimately lead to some sort of intelligent
species because you've also probably presumably seeded the earth with Ancient DNA That has
already certain instruction instructions or you have the understanding of like what path
it's gonna take through evolution Yeah, and then you leave And you're waiting for that
species to Open up your time capsule to pass your test in order for you to then get the
message that, oh, they're ready. Yep. And order's ready.
So you set up the moon with weird coincidences that were super unlikely to happen naturally,
like it being a 400th of the size of the sun and a 400th of the distance to the sun so that
it can create perfect eclipses. And you set up a. It has all. has all these different effects
on humans and whatever animals are on the surface. Right. You can cause lunatics and lunacy, and
you can control the menstrual cycles of intelligent life forms. Right. You know, like, you can
influence that earth that you're orbiting over. At least you know that you're going to influence
the behaviors of animals. water and most life has that as a building block. It needs this
water to, as part of it's, one of its building structures. Yeah, yeah. So people who emphasize
the water a lot, I think, so yes, the moon creates the tides here and pulls on the water on the
earth, but it's not pulling on the water of the earth any harder than it's pulling on anything
else. It's just the water's in liquid form. And can move. So you can see the effect easier.
So in the same way, the entire body, our entire body is being pulled by the moon, not just
the water in us. Everything is being pulled equally. So that part, I don't know. Yeah,
we are a lot water. But I don't think that's necessarily special. I mean, any more special
than water already is, which is pretty special. Well, the thing that I was saying our bodies,
it's not just like a, like a ocean of water inside of us. The water that I'm talking about
is inside of our vessels. It's inside of all of these different cavities inside of our body
that when it affects us, it's not just moving water, like a tide on the beach, it's changing
the chemistry of how things are happening in the body. Right. So that's what I mean is like,
we are sensitive to the fact that I just don't... Molecularly... Like, A, I don't know the...
Obviously we don't have scientific evidence yet that the moon does that, but even if we
did, I don't see why water would be special as for what it could have that effect on. I
don't see... If it can have an effect, I don't see why water is the only thing... Like why
it's the catalyst for the effects, yeah. Other than water just being pretty vital to life
in general. But... Well, and the fact that water does have interesting properties. Well, we
have like 73 percent of our body is like made of water. Right. Yeah, no. And we as far as
we know, water is essential for life. Actually, no, I think we have found life forms that don't
really know. Now I'm confused because I know there's some life forms like down at the vents
and stuff like in the water, but they're still in water and they're going to have water in
them. The only thing, the one thing that now that you're saying that, like makes me question
it is the fact that there's these salt pools at the bottom of the ocean. The, what's it
called, the brine. It's basically a lake that forms within the ocean. Right, where the heavy
water, like different water with different heavinesses and densities will separate. Yep. And you can
get like lakes, underwater lakes. Yeah. It's crazy looking to see this. And then you have
the eels that go down there for food. So it almost seems like there's something down there
that could be living. And that's in a different form of these heavy waters, which is weird.
I wonder what the tidal effects of the moon are on the water separations under the ocean.
Yeah. Are there heavy water tides below? water, you know? That would be interesting. Yeah.
Huh. I want to dive into the whole brine lakes in the ocean, too. There's not a ton of research
on it, as far as I've seen. Or at least a lot of like. Because you can't really go down there.
You can send probes, probably, to get in. But what would you really sense, and what would
you really capture? You know what that makes me think of? It makes me think of the game
Subnautica. Have you ever played that? I don't know if I've played it. I don't think I've
played it. It's like a survival game. The premise is like your ship crash lands on this planet,
and you're the only survivor, but you don't know this. You're going around trying to find
survivors. But it's an ocean planet. And so you have to fabricate stuff for yourself and
upgrade your technology and all this stuff. But the entire game is underwater, and there's
all these different biomes. And they're like as you go deeper. There's areas that have these
like brine lakes. Oh, really? Yeah, it's really cool. Some of them are like acid lakes and
stuff. It's interesting. But it's all underwater. There's probably oil lakes down there too.
Except oil floats. Yeah. There could be inverse oil lakes where there's oil caught in a cave
system and the oil is collecting on the ceiling. Oh. Some of those are crazy, like I've seen
some of the there's. Inscriptions found on a cave that the only entrance to that cave is
Underwater underwater and you have to like swim like hundreds of feet underwater to get to
the entrance and then you have to swim like Hundreds of hundreds of yards to get to where
it comes to back above water in order to get to these cave systems Yeah, do you remember
what those are called? I can't remember. I'll have to look it up. I've heard of that There's
probably more like that haven't been discovered. Yeah, because we know the ocean level rose.
Yeah So that 400 feet. And so those are untouched, at least what's left within the K that didn't
get eroded, that didn't get touched by the ocean is still there. So. Yeah, the moon is a...
I like the idea of the moon being some sort of weird base. Oh, there's also like, there's
like rumors and conspiracies about the Apollo program itself. Right. Right, so like a lot
of people don't even believe that we went to the moon. Of course, yeah. And there's the
whole theory with like Stanley Kubrick filming it and like all the hints that... He left.
Kubrick filmed it and whatnot. But what's interesting about that theory is what I've heard as a spin-off
of that idea is that it wasn't that they filmed the moon landing to fake it because we couldn't
do it. It's because they wanted the real mission to the moon to not be publicized. And so they
had a Hollywood version that they could, you know. Show to the world, but they still actually
went They just didn't want people seeing what was there Because they had an idea maybe of
what they were gonna find right or because the 60s This is after already like multiple UFO
events have happened they supposedly already have the crash material from Roswell and Yeah
I've also heard the theory that how the Apollo missions like they went all the way through
like 15 and Then they were canceled like 16 17 or Number I think it was 17 18 19. I think
it I don't know it was like 18 19 20 I know it went up to at least there was yeah wherever
it stopped there was more scheduled Yeah, and I know that there is that they still went that
they still went and they had further missions because they had gone There's so many times
that they had mapped and searched a lot of the surface and that they found what they described
as a craft that they were trying to recover or penetrate so they could find out what it
was or how long it's been there and stuff. And then Apollo 20 was the mission for that. And
this is from the Wi-Fi that I heard this from. And I did go to the YouTube channel that they
linked for the video of it. But, you know, he'd debunked it in the end as being just like somebody
who wanted to create a story. But the idea is that Apollo 20 did happen and it was meant
to go find a craft. And that it was like a joint Russian U.S. task force that went up and asked,
you know, the astronauts, there was one Russian astronaut with two American astronauts. It
was like a rescue mission, right? It was partially that. So like the Apollo 19 had gone to do
this same mission and it had crash landed or at least went out of contact with NASA. And
so they sent Apollo 20 to go rescue them but also their primary mission was to penetrate
the ship and to find out what was in there. They were doing what Apollo 19 was sent there
to do. And then if they could find Apollo 19, that was their like. probably knows their secondary
mission. Right. Was to make contact with Apollo 19 if they saw evidence of them. And they found
the ship, they went in there, they saw a bunch of hieroglyphics that were like prehistory.
And they took some samples and then they were, they saw that Apollo 19 had crash landed nearby
or landed nearby. And they went to the craft and there was a body. inside the craft of an
alien race of like humanoid and You know during this whole mission they're in contact with
mission control and NASA and stuff They're talking to him and they're like, that's your primary
mission bring that body back home Oh, right. I remember the story. Like the idea And then
they eventually I think one of them was alive one of the Apollo 19 crew members was alive
and Maybe not, I can't remember that part specifically. But I know that the terminology of like bring
it home like resonated in the story as being like, bring it home, like that's not its home,
you know? Like that was kind of like the thought. It was like, what do you mean bring this thing
home? Back home, I said back home. Which could just be them saying bring it back home because
you are from here and this is your home. But they took it as, what do you mean bring it
back home? Or maybe there were some other terminology there that I'm missing that led them to believe
that this thing had come from there. Oh, I see. Had come from Earth at one point. Yeah, I would
love to dive into that story too. I mean, it's just a story and it's been debunked a bit enough
for skeptics. It's a fascinating story. It's fun. Yeah. I mean, all these moon theories
come out of the fact that we don't have enough evidence to solidify any kind of scientific
factual basis on this stuff. Yeah, I mean, we don't have a permanent residence on the moon
yet. There's no permanent basis. Artemis is coming, though. Yeah. NASA's Artemis. That's
the idea. 2025, it's supposed to. Honestly, this next, like, probably. Five years? I'd
say 50 years, we'll have a real base. We'll have people living on the moon. Sure. Yeah,
yeah. I think in the next 50 years too, yeah. But I think in the next five years, we're going
to actually have a real mission there. Maybe more like how there was always people stationed
up in the ISS. You know? So maybe it's not a lot, but there will probably be a permanently
manned base up there. Yeah, maybe it's like 20 or 20 people or something, max. By then.
And I honestly, like even then it's still gonna be governments and corporations who are in
control of it. So like the opportunity to lie is gonna be pretty big about what is out there.
But also at the same time, the opportunity for leaks and other information and learning more.
Obviously our knowledge will grow about what the moon is, what it's composed of. Yeah, I
just would hope that. Eventually we get to the point where these private companies who are
doing these things or private citizens who are doing these things are not I mean they have
to get clearance from the government to even do these things right so they have to Have
a SpaceX without governments approving it right? Yeah, or even any of the private citizens who
are doing it on their own behalf You know I mean if we all had like personal UFOs like
and you could just zip up and do your own little study that would be one thing and like that
knowledge couldn't be controlled. Yeah, but you couldn't really confirm any of the information
until that point though, really. Yeah, if you're a skeptic for what is told by like, Established.
Establishment figures, then there's going to be a large contingent of people who don't believe
anything that they say about what the moon is like. And then there's going to be others who,
you know. believe at all. Yeah. It should be like everything else. There's going to be the
conspiracy theorists, and the scientists, and the. What's more fun? Being all buttoned up
in science when necessary, for sure. But it's really about how all this stuff interacts.
Let's be open minded. And really, the moon thing comes to life when you, once your mind is open
about UFOs, the moon becomes endless possibilities. And a lot of these and all the weird stuff
about the moon starts to make more sense and all the weird stuff about existence all the
supernatural stuff starts to starts to make a little bit more sense, too Yeah, something
like that is out there and capable of interacting with us. Yeah, then you gotta be open to it
And eventually the moon will Be gone So far away from us that we won't have any appreciable
tides from it anymore That'll be so far. It's only moving like what a centimeter a year.
Yeah, something like that. It's really slow But a centimeter in the process of this though.
I did learn that the moon Has had like a slowing effect on the earth like They used to say like
they used to be these to add leap seconds each year for a period of time. And then there was
a year where they didn't need one, and the earth stopped slowing down. I don't know if it's
still slowing down or speeding up or what's come of it since this book was published. But
yeah, they said it was like from the 70s to the 80s, they were adding leap seconds. And
then all of a sudden, they didn't need to anymore one year. So it's almost like. If it's the
moon causing the earth to slow in its orbit, why would we all of a sudden lose that effect
unless the moon can- Or do we just stop taking that into account? Yeah. No. We just lose that
second. They had to add it because of the earth slowing down. But- And they had theorized that
it will just keep slowing down year over year. Like whatever process is causing that slowing
for decades, they figured would just continue on. But then in the 80s, they just didn't need
it. Like the earth didn't slow down, it stayed on schedule. Maybe that was the end of the
age and we're headed back in the other direction for the procession of the equinoxes. Interesting,
yeah. for the time when Hoth will come back. And it's just we're, we slowed to the point
where they don't need to add it, but it's still changing. But once we get to that point where
it starts to tilt back, that's where the Easter 2026, as far as Chris Bledsoe says, yeah, but
we'll see. We've got a couple of years. Well, yeah, we got a couple of years. Yeah. Oh, there
goes your mic. All right, well, you got anything else? I think we should. No, I think we got
enough in this one. This one was a little. And we're gonna probably bring the moon up in a
lot of our other stuff that we'll talk about. Yeah, I've still got like, I wanna talk about
Hononaki. About a third of that book to finish, so I might update on whatever else interesting
about the moon I read in that, at the beginning of whatever our next episode is. Yeah. I want
to read 12th Planet and talk about the Anunnaki and do some more research into the Anunnaki,
because they also mentioned the Arcadians and the time before the moon and stuff. Yeah. I
got to see Zechariah Sitchin give a live speech once. Really? Yeah, down in Bel-A. It was some
conference I went to, like, pre-2012. What was it like? He was still alive before he passed.
It was really cool. He, uh. He was super old, but he was telling us all these stories about
like how he's worked with different NASA scientists and stuff and how like he talked about how
he's essentially been censored by NASA. And yeah, it's interesting. Zechariah Sitchin's
a cool dude. Yeah, I can't wait till we do some Anunnaki stuff and talk about that. We definitely
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