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I'm Drew. And I'm Dean. Welcome back for another episode. Number 15. Woo woo. Yeah. So we're
going to, obviously, you guys know by the title. We say that every time. Because we're still
getting used to the fact that we're recording and you'll see it. Yeah. Yeah, we're going
to go back into the secret history. This is part four. I think. And we're still only on
chapter seven. That looks like about halfway through that book. A little less. I think there's
like 28 chapters. I think as we get to the back end of it, though, it gets a lot shorter. the
chapters do. It just kind of like jumps through a bunch of different like historical time points
and like that's what I was saying too before we started like this one will be a lot similar
to what you've already heard but once we get into these next few chapters, we'll probably
start putting a bunch of them together and just read them through beforehand and like give
a synopsis ourselves instead of like reading passages from each chapter and stuff. Yeah,
it'll make it go a little quicker because it's pretty I mean, look, we're on part four and
we're on chapter seven. So, but yeah, we got some emails. Well, communications. No one really
has emailed actually yet. Yeah, email us. I want to we got to use our email to not be all
like spam. I just got two comments on the website. I was hoping it looks like people. Yeah, it
looks like people send us their passwords to their Bitcoin wallets. That would be sweet.
I will take it.
So yeah, we can, oh yeah, we got someone on YouTube. They didn't say specifically the user
name, but it's a user name anyway, so I don't think it matters. Yeah, I mean, you can see
their user name. Yeah, true. If you go to YouTube anyway, so it's super UAP. Super UAP, he comments
on the episode 12, the Chris Bloodsell story part one. He says, which one should I read
first? I'll just read the other one. I'm pretty sure he edited it. This one doesn't show on
the video anymore, but this one does. I'll read them both anyway. So the first one says, I
wonder if that star dies, if that will represent the death of Hathor. Also, to be fair, the
United States government, in quotations, has been Democrats for a long time. Does want to
destroy Christianity because the majority of of the Republican Party are Christians. So
by attacking their base, they can hold on to the power. So is that referencing specifically
death of Hathor? Or are they just talking about like the control like the over the like collective
consciousness maybe? Like having the most power over the collective consciousness and by destroying
the Republicans thereby destroying the Christian like thought. Honestly, I'm not exactly sure
what they're trying to say. I don't know how Hathor connects to, well, I mean, you could
connect Hathor to Christianity through the comforter idea like we talked about. Yeah, because they
all have their, you know. Which is associated with the Holy Spirit and Christianity. But
Christianity kind of. Or maybe just religion and spirituality in itself, like Hathor being
a religious spiritual figure. I think the main point. I guess they're just trying to bring
it down to a United States specific. I think this is more of a worldwide phenomenon. Kicking
baby toys over here. Watch out. They're everywhere. But the other comment. Go ahead. When that
star rises on the horizon in between the paws of the Sphinx, which was originally a line
S, this will literally symbolize the return of Hathor to our physical existence, our domain,
reality, our plane of existence. The last time the star rose between the paws of the Sphinx
was the last time Hathor's power affected our reality. When the star moves from the paws
and Hathor's power, then Hathor's power will be leaving the world as we know it again. and
will not return until heaven knows when.
Yeah. Yeah, I mean, that's what he was referencing. I'm still trying to. That's what she was telling
him. Yeah, yeah. I'm still trying to figure out the details on how that star moves. I still
don't really understand it yet. Because. Have you been looking into it? No, I haven't in
the last couple of weeks. But. if anyone knows anything more. Because my understanding is
when you look out at the night sky, right? So if you were to go out every single day, every
single night, look at the exact same spot at the exact same time, you would see the sky
rotating through the zodiac. Yeah. Right. Right. So it would hit different points. Right. Because
each night. Like, let's say it was midnight, right? So that the sun is perfectly opposite
of the center of the sky for you. And every day, you look straight up and see what star
is up there. That's going to keep rotating. And as the Earth goes around the sun, that
whatever star is the opposite of the sun will keep rotating. It should come back at the end
of each year. So each year it should come back minus the slight difference that happens every
year from the procession. So either you're looking for a very specific, almost like needing a
sight glass on the top of the head to know pinpoint exactly which region of the sky that it needs
to be in, or. It's talking about such a great age that it would have to go through like the
procession um in such a way like there's got to be slight changes eventually like 20s of
thousands of years maybe you just have to be more specific like saying that like saying
that star will rise between well it's saying it's rising between the paws of the sphinx
right yeah so it's So it rises on the horizon in between the paws of the Sphinx. Right. That
makes it a little bit more specific, because it's not just in line with the Sphinx anywhere
vertically. It has to rise in that alignment. But they're still 20 feet on Earth. Once you
take that scale out to the cosmos, there's so much still space there. So somebody still has
to land perfectly within that purview. Mm-hmm way out in that distance, which is a lot more
space than we think You know, you're looking for like 20 feet apart between paw and paw
Right like out there that's gonna be such a drastic change in like how far apart that is
Yeah, so it still needs to fall within that so you would almost still need a specific location
or a specific way to tell I mean, I guess if it rose anywhere in between the paws Yeah Well,
I guess what I said wasn't totally true because I did like search on it a little bit But all
I found was some people talking about it on reddit So I mean you can only take it with
a grain of salt, but yeah They were saying They listed the like because it does come in line
every year and they listed each year and what date it comes in line Oh, really? Yeah start
to look that up ourselves to find out like And each date that it, because the Sphinx points
perfectly east. So each time that star is due perfect east, they jot it down those dates.
I see. And they jot it down the date or the time of the day that it rises that way. Right.
And it's only on the, in 2026 where the date. or the time of its rising is right before dawn.
So you'd be able to see it? So like you would see that star rise about a half hour before
the sunrise. Oh wow. That's what they say on Reddit. So we'd still have to plot out all
the previous points and see if it matches. Because otherwise, you're just taking somebody's word
for it. Yeah, for sure. But that would be a fun project. It would be. To be able to map
that out and check it out. I know. I really want to understand. Maybe you could find an
astronomy class or something to join. That'd be cool. That would be cool. Just go on any
online course. Just sit in. I guess sitting in is easier in physical classes. It would
be cool, yeah. Need some kind of code to get into the online class. But yeah, for the rest
of the email, yeah. I mean, that's the Chris Bledsoe story. Yeah. That's what Hawthorne
tells them. It's supposed to be Hawthorne's influence rising then. And it's funny because
your comment and the previous episodes on Chris Bledsoe kind of lead perfectly into woe. we're
gonna talk about a little bit in Secret History of the World. I hinted at that and it's kinda
cool. I mean, it's not directly, but it's like, it talks about the Sphinx and yeah. Well, I
don't wanna spoil it, we'll get into it. But yeah, whatever alignment that is, in theory,
should repeat every 26,000 years when the procession repeats. Right, right. Yeah, so it's an age.
It's a specific age that has a specific attribute attached to it, like the Hoth or bringing in
the era of love and peace and joy or whatever, right? And other ages have different attributes
that it brings. Like there might be ages where it's just death and turmoil. Right, but you
don't necessarily hear about specific god names that are associated with every age and what
their influence is supposed to be. Sure, but that also might be because they don't care,
or maybe humans aren't around for those ages. Maybe those are the ages where earth and human
spirit are not physical anymore. And actually, it's similar, because we're gonna talk about
some of that in this. Because each age, I mean, 25,000 divided by 12, that's about what? I'm
so bad at math. Yeah, I'm not gonna be able to do that either. So that's a little over
2000 years that for each essentially sign of the zodiac. So that each one of those is an
age according to the zodiac, right? The age of Leo, there is a Pisces, the age of Aquarius.
But our really well-known history and like stuff that we can like prove for fact doesn't go
much further back. Well, yeah, it does. Yeah, it does. I mean, we know that humans have existed
here for about 300,000 years. Yeah, but we don't know. I mean, we've been through the entire
cycle multiple times. No, I understand that. But we don't have such a great understanding
of what the life was like. then or what kind of things were in the consciousness of the
people. We don't have carvings and writings and history that's coming down from those eras.
What was the collective consciousness of those eras, right? What was the overarching theme,
really? Right, because we don't know anything. All we know is we find some bones and we find
some arrowheads. Right, that's what I mean. 2083 years is a long enough period of time
where anybody that far forward or in the past are not going to understand. necessarily what
it was actually like in that epoch. Like, think 2,000 years from now, if there's some kind
of natural disaster that wipes us out and we had to start all over. Sure. Or even just the
ascension into another place. They're not gonna understand what it was like to be us at this
point in time. They might have writings, they might have some... some stuff they find but
they're not going to really understand. Depends on whether or not like you're able to preserve
any of our knowledge. I mean most of it's in hard drives and computers now. Which is very
susceptible. We got a lot of libraries but those will only survive as long as the library does.
We got a seed bank in Norway. Yeah. We've got a bunch of vaults. I mean. I'm sure there's
a lot of libraries with underground archives and stuff around the world, which hopefully
would survive some stuff, but not necessarily everything. As a humanity, we've got to be
careful of the history repeating itself, the burning of the knowledge, the changing of the...
We don't seem to be taking seriously the prospect that we could get wiped off the earth, and
it doesn't seem like we're prioritizing preserving our knowledge. Or even... Unless it's all happening
in secret, which there's lots of conspiracies about. Even just as likely is that something
happens where there's a change in the governance of the people, right? Where a new era of civilization
happens and they want to get rid of all of the old evidence of how things were run before,
right? Yeah.
Starting that's happened so many times in history Hmm well thanks for the email yeah, you got
us through a whole segment already. Thanks
Yeah Do we have oh, yeah, we still have a few more things to read So let's finish reading
and then we'll this will be our first segment. Yeah, so Our older sister. Yes, Nick is our
recording number one fan
Uh, she sends us, uh, emails quite often after our episodes when they inspire her. So she
listens to them. Yeah. The moment they drop, like she goes on, she wakes up super early
and she goes on like morning walks and stuff. So yeah. So she'll, uh, she'll, our episode
usually drops at 6 a.m., which is I think perfect time for her. She loves, she loves the early
morning. I think we, we picked the early morning, you know, maybe subconsciously, but partially
because she's. telling us all the time she likes to do her morning walks. We're like, maybe
other people like to do that too. Ha ha. All right, so she writes those. So she's talking
about our episode, Chris Bloodsoe part two. Yeah. She says, the last 30 minutes felt like
we were around the fire pit. You really pulled the reasons why you've chosen all these topics
and tie it so well together. Dean, when you said, when you're ready to hear the message,
so powerful. I think I was, yeah, I was just kinda talking about the UFO topic in general
and people.
Like that sort of message of love from the UFO topic and you needing to be kind of open to
it. You gotta be open to it. Yeah. The first break of the show, you should have played Dark
Side of the Moon during the break, I wish, but I'll copy that. Yeah, we'd have to pay for
that. I'm gonna re-listen to the last 30 minutes again, it was so juicy and I'll be back for
more feedback. Yeah. I couldn't stop smiling and felt deja vu. Maybe it's because it did
feel like our fire pit sessions. She came back not too long later. Right. And so this is her
review of that last 30 minutes. She's like, fear, trauma. Love that you guys touched on
this. It's interesting how some fear the unknown, some have no fear. There are lessons in it
and all unique to each person's life, purpose and path. This is why I believe we cannot judge
anyone else's life experience. It all has a place and a purpose. Yeah. This is true. Absolutely,
100%. You can judge people's actions when they're a jerk to you, but yeah, everyone's got a unique
experience and even the craziest of people and the most vile, like there's usually a really
dark tragic story behind it. Yeah, I mean, when people are a jerk to you, it's in the moment,
you know. And it usually has nothing to do with you a lot of the time. Yeah, but there's also
a difference between judging that someone is not a good fit for your life and choosing not
to be around them versus judging them as a human being. As a person, yeah. Yeah. She says, news,
totally agree. I never watch the news. It makes me sick to my stomach. Not at all interested
in the hidden agendas. Dude, amen. Yeah. I don't think I've sat down and watched a new news
program start to finish ever. I have my own news sources assembled. Now I just have articles
from certain websites that are newspapers, but webs or magazines even, but online now. Yeah.
I usually check the Crystal and Sager YouTube every morning, see if they have anything that
I care to listen to. Peaks your interest, yeah. I like their rough takes. I subscribe to this
news newsletter. It's called like 1440 or something. News newsletter? Yeah. So every morning I get
an email from them and it's just like top stories in a bunch of different categories. Send me
that. OK. And it's pretty nice. It's like breaks it down to the major stories and then it breaks
it down into like science stories or pop culture stories or whatever. Nice. So I usually will
scan that. I like to have a feel for what's happening in the world, but yeah. Whether you
have an form of opinion on whatever. I'm never gonna sit down in front of CNN probably ever
again unless there's some person I wanna see on there. Yep. She says, I love how you touched
on the coded messages and all the different beliefs and religions. So many different people
in this world and beliefs, different stories, similar messages. I think this is definitely
not a coincidence. And I'm so grateful that there is a variety of ways these messages are
presented so that each individual can relate and get the message that speaks to them. Yeah.
And I kind of think. You know, maybe that's the, if there was a plan behind it, that would
be the purpose of it, right? So that there's a diverse set of teachings out there that can
speak to everyone. If there's not a plan behind it, then it has that sort of similar effect
that. You know, while differences in beliefs and religions have also caused a lot of conflict
in the world, like, they also help guide people and teach wisdom and... Yeah, and you gotta
admit the trend is always in the positive direction. Like, it's not like we went from the dark ages
into the darkest... ages, you know, like things got better and things have progressively gotten
better and things are never perfect. And, you know, even nowadays with all this technology
and all this knowledge we have, things are happening around us that are not something that we would
all agree with. But yeah, and I don't know that specifically religion has to do with everybody,
you know, kind of pulling together to make that happen, but it's a trend and, you know, it's
not we're not going backwards. Thankfully. Yeah. She says, love, love. Talk about the feminine
energy creation, nurturing. Might be a good episode to expand on. Adding masculine energy
in there as well. It's the duality of both we possess and need. Has nothing to do with gender.
Duality check. Duality. Yeah, if Amy or if anyone has any sources to read more on. The feminine
energy, masculine energy of the... I'd be interested in checking it out. That would be cool. Love
that you said we are all God and are all the gods of our own universe and reality. And what
we think or believe is 100% true for us. It's our beliefs and we choose our reality. Yeah.
I'm not 100% on that view. I think it could go either way. I think in a sense, I mean,
I don't really know is the thing, but it seems like the Gnostic tradition is more leaning
towards teaching that Jesus' message is that he's not special and we're all capable of what
he was. And similar with Buddhism, I believe. You don't believe that to be true necessarily?
No, I'm saying it could be, but I don't know that. Either way,
whether we're all God or not, we're... And if, you know, I'm still not 100% sold on there
is a God. I lean towards a God, but... But God being used as more of a placeholder for the
idea of there being a creation, right? They're a creative force. Right, right. Like it doesn't
necessarily have to be a person or a thing specifically that's designed, you know, or that's above
all, but it could be just that spirit is, uh, the spirit of all humanity coming to, like,
being all in one point is this God. Like, that's the idea is like, we are all God in the sense
of we are all the creative force of our own individual lives. And you know, especially
if you related to like the secret history of the world, like that idea kind of makes sense
in that we were the, they talk about the human spirit being having been around for millennia
or, you know, for way longer than material or physical life had been around. Right. And that
we are all like the progeny of this original thought. So if that's the case, then we are
all the original creator, it's just that the original creator is still out there. It's an
infinite void of the same energy being continuously dispersed in a space. No, I'm just, I guess
what I'm trying to say is, because I try not to wholly believe things unless I'm super confident.
Sure. Mm-hmm. You know? There's too many different interpretations of what God could be and what
our relationship to God could truly be. That doesn't mean all this other stuff doesn't have
wisdom and I'm not super interested in it, but... Yeah. Yeah, I specifically am coming around
to the idea... I like the idea that we're all created in God's image and in a sense we're
like baby versions that... you know, over millennia and reincarnations and spiritual development
after our death that maybe we'll create our own universes in the future, you know, who
knows. Or that we go back to rejoin the original creation and that it never stopped, right?
Like, I've come around to the idea of like, not necessarily believing in like one religion's
God or gods, but like having accepted that there's this, there's a there is something outside
of what is material that's been created that had to have made it so, right? So like, I use
it more as like, it's the thing that most people are going to not have a problem with like having
a conversation about is by saying it's God. You can use whatever term based on the religions
you're talking about, but it's still the same thing. It's still the same idea. It's the original.
the person above it all, that they, you know, as far as the stories go, is a person or a
thing that is above it all, that emanates it all out. But yeah, I've come around to being
able, like being more okay with using the word God and not just trying to like come up with
something in myself that can like replace it. Yeah. Cause what else is there really? Like
other than just like. It's just hard to get such a loaded word. It means so many different
things to so many different people. Yeah, you just got to use the lowercase g. So when you
say it, just say lowercase g gods. I don't know.
Let's finish this up, and then we'll end the first segment here. She says, Dean, I'm ready
to join your new world order. So good that you mentioned the libertarian episode and why you
brought it up. Such a great way to tie it all together. You mentioned new way of living,
stop stopping war and ruling over people, turning our fear based society into a love base. Live
and love in a supportive society's libertarian view. I love that you said, when you're ready
to hear and organize and thrive in a cooperative society, sign me up. Welcome to have your own
beliefs, but I think the key here is living amongst each other without pushing our beliefs
on others. Let them experience it and come to an understanding within on how they want to
be a part of it or not. Just think you... non-aggressively invite and pique people's interest and trust
with your soft approach of when you're ready. And yeah, I mean, heck yeah, thanks Amy. Libertarianism
all the way. We can have a world without governments. We can organize society in a way that is not
completely centered around coercive force. Absolutely. We can set up a society that's meant to reward
people for cooperating together. Yep. Yeah. Absolutely. 100. She said, dreams, imagination
came up again, waiting for that episode. And I have lots to say about that one, if you do
want to hear. And yes. Another fire pit. She's also suggesting a ghost episode, I'm sure,
is coming because you guys mentioned that a little too. People getting stuck or wanting
to stick around, unable to release the traumas of life and learn to move on. So, so, so good.
Keep up the good work. This podcast is a way to spread that unconditional love we're blessed
with. I just love our family so much. And I'm eternally grateful we all have each other.
Feel free to use this on the podcast. I love that, Amy. Thank you. Number one thing right
there. And I would like to do a ghost episode as well. Yeah. And I haven't done a ton of
ghost research in my life, but I would like to read some of this. No, but we could talk
about the ideas behind it, right? I've come to believe in ghosts through a back door to
open the door to ghosts. like through the door of like reading about like shamanism and secret
societies and psychedelics and interacting with spiritual beings and like okay well if there
are these is that any different from yeah then all of a sudden these ghosts aren't out of
the picture and they're probably just spiritual beings Yeah, I mean, all of the esoteric, like
high strangeness things that we experience as humans, like in our day to day, like that people
have experienced, you know, whether they're sober or on drugs or whatever it might be,
like there's all there's truth to it in that it's an experience that we're having. Like,
like you can't discount just because we have a chemical makeup of our brains that might
be misfiring or whatever, like there's these things are still happening. in our imaginations
or whatever it might be. So like, we can't discount that. And like she was saying, and that's basically
my view, is like all people's views on the world and views on life and experiences do have meaning
and matter in the fact that they're here experiencing and learning and like they're doing just like
anybody else. And even like schizophrenic people or people who have, you know, what we, you
know, society might call, you know, mental disability or whatever, like they're experiencing things
in the way that physical matter allows it. Even if it's something- But I wonder, like, if we
get to a point where we ever know for sure that spiritualism, that spirits are real and that,
like, these, you know, other spirit realms are real, if we ever get to that point, like, all
of a sudden you kind of have to start reassessing a lot of these psychological- disorders because
what if schizophrenia? Absolutely. It's just a foot in the door. Yeah, it could be a person
involuntarily seeing things that a normal, quote unquote, normal-tuned human wouldn't necessarily
pick up. Yeah, and a lot of times these people, they're not like, oh yeah, I understand I'm
having a schizophrenic episode right now. But this is what I'm seeing. Yeah, it's real and
it's happening to them in the real experience but that's the thing is like they're not able
to like Uh a lot of the times vocalize the fact that they're experiencing something different
from you because they don't know it's happening as if it's real so it's like How do we discount
that there's no way yeah Indeed Well, thanks for the communications, people. It's nice to...
We had a whole segment on it, so we're gonna have... We might have to save some for next
week soon. Yeah, that'd be great. Appreciate it. Keep them coming. Let's keep this conversation
rolling. What do you guys... What do you guys think about it all? Yeah, absolutely. We'll
be back. Later.
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Welcome back.
I love that song. Yeah. Resurrection. All right, we're back. Oh, did I tell you I almost lost
our episode 13? Wow. I went and opened it to edit it and it was blank. And I started panicking.
I went through our OneDrive to see if it had backed up copies. I went through my cloud backup,
and all of them were blank. And I was like, oh no. Fuck. That was part two, right? That
was. Of Chris Budsoe? It was. And then I turned out because I copy. Anytime I change our recording
thing, I copy it to our template, and it was there. Oh, because it removes it from anything
else because it changed the name? Yeah. So anyway. That was a close call. Woo. Ha ha. Good thing
it's out now. Do you want to talk about what you're drinking tonight? Oh, yeah. Also, my
sister, Amy, she gave me some non-alcoholic zero carb beers to review. But I think I'm
going to bring them. I think one was a Track 7. Yeah, yeah. Wasn't it? I think. Maybe not.
I don't remember. There were one was a Track 7. One was a brewery, I knew for sure. Yeah,
and I think the other one was. Just like some random one that she knew about she wanted you
to try. Because I think she's drinking non-alcoholic beer. Yeah, she doesn't drink alcohol. Yeah.
I'm just not having carbs. I'm a month in, by the way. Yeah, how's it been? Down to 20 pounds.
Let's go. It's been good. Feeling good? Dude, we had a lot. Two weeks ago, we had a shrimp
and steak. Yeah. And then this week, we had a. We had ribs. What are you eating? Bacon
wrapped jalapenos with a pork tenderloin stuffed in there and onion and seasoning. Dude, they're
crazy good. Damn. I was just eating like veggies. Are you even allowed to eat veggies? Yeah.
So it depends on the type of vegetable. while they quote unquote have carbs, the carbs are
in the form of fiber and fiber isn't broken down by your body. And so you can subtract
those carbs. But other veggies that aren't very fibrous will still have carbs, but without
the fiber to offset it. And so you have to be careful with those. Which ones would that be?
Like a tomato? Um, yeah, about a tomato is a fruit, but yes. Oh shit, yeah, you're right.
Ha ha ha. Uh, I'm trying to think, actually. You're allowed to have sugar, right? It has
to be in the form of? Well, you're supposed to keep all carbs below 20 grams, and sugar
is carb. Right, so if you, I don't know, eat them. Below 20 grams a day. That would be hard
if you included sugar. So you try to stay away from fruit then? Uh, yeah, so. Just like low
sugar fruits like raspberries and blueberries and stuff like that. Berries are pretty low
in sugar. So you can have some, you just can't have too many. That's the thing about fruit
with me. When I started eating fruit, I eat like an entire like giant bowl of it. And then
I won't eat it for like three weeks. Yeah, my friend brought over some sides when we did
the ribs. And he also brought over three things of blackberries and I was like dang I will
I would eat all those but I can't eat all those at least I'm sitting I can have a few at a
time Yeah, they're gonna go bad before I can get through them I'm weird like that like I'll
literally like go like and I We get you know We go shopping all the time and I get fruit
all the time and usually the kids eat a bunch of it and I'll eat Some of it, but I got I
have like a piece but then like it's all gone because the kids eat tons of fruit now When
I get a full, I'll order one just for myself, and it's got pineapples and kiwi. I'll just
get the fruit bowls, and I'll gorge that whole thing in a sitting. Yeah, fruit salad's so
good. Yeah. Anyway, we should probably get into this. OK. So yeah, we're in Secret History
of the World, part four now. Previously, we were talking about, we kind of ended on the
assassination of the Green King was the chapter name. Mm-hmm. the story of Osiris, right? And
it was kind of like the fall of Lucifer, like they talked about the whole fall of Lucifer
and stuff. So we're getting into this chapter. It's called The Age of Demigods and Heroes.
The Ancient Ones, the Amazons, Enoch, Hercules, Theseus, and Jason. They really don't get into
the Amazons as much as I wish they would in this chapter. They mention them and they give
a decent description of them, but they don't talk much about their mythology and stuff.
I wanted to hear about them after our Amazon episode. Punching the mic. Hold up. So yeah,
let's just read the beginning part here. I'm going to turn on another light real quick.
Okay. When you move the microphone, try to do it when you're not talking. That way I can
edit out the sound it makes. Gotcha. Will do. Try to. So.
Where I was, okay. Mystery school initiates would have understood that the three dynasties
were first, the oldest generation, the creator gods, like Saturn, Rhea, Uranus. The second
generation is Zeus, his siblings, and their children, such as Apollo and Athena. And lastly,
the generation of demigods and heroes. This is where we begin this chapter.
All the while, matter was growing denser, and because matter and spirit are inimical, the
gods became less and less a constant presence. The higher, more ineffable gods, the harder
it was for them to squeeze down into the tightening net of physical necessity that covered the
earth. Great gods such as Zeus or Pallas Athena seem to make their presence felt and intervene
directly in human affairs only at times of crisis. Yeah, so it's essentially saying that the universe
is becoming more solid over time, and because of that solidity, those gods that are more
ephemeral, more like more contained just to the spiritual. they have less and less access
to direct influence. Yep. Yeah. They talk about the fall of Lucifer and the fall of that connection
to the fall of, that was the demise of human's connection. It wasn't quite fully a disconnect
from the spiritual world. Like they still had more than we would today, like their pineal
gland, like they talked about. The pineal gland had more access to the spirit realms, but now
it's getting even more and more dense, and our connections being severed even more. I think
I'm just putting together how... Because we talked about before in their creation stories
and stuff, how much it had in common with science. But in a certain sense, like this take about
like the universe condensing and becoming more solid is almost the opposite of science, where
like the Big Bang is all about everything spreading out and becoming less dense. Yeah. It seemed
like it did that, right? It had this expand. but that it started to contract in the mist.
Remember they talked about the web-like structure of it? And that could be the gases and the
subatomic particles forming down into particles, forming more and more matter. And for all we
know, this is still
this sets up the idea that God is creating on such a larger scale that. Earth and this solar
system is not all he's creating, right? So there might be other realities on top of which we
are created, that are being created simultaneously and separately. That like the, this congealing
and like constricting could be on like a, some whole other level than like a physical
condensing, because eventually we get to the point where we are like how we are today, but.
Right. This kind of like lends to the idea that history started much more recent than we believe,
or than like history tells it, or science tells it. Anyway, we'll go on to another passage
here.
In the mystery schools, it was taught that a decisive change in the direction came about
in 13,000 BC. From then on, the higher gods would find it more difficult to descend further
than the moon. Their visits to the surface of the earth became very infrequent and fleeting.
It was believed that on these visits, they accidentally left behind this strange and unearthly mistletoe,
a plant which cannot grow in the soil of earth. but which grew naturally on the moon. Without
the presence of the greater gods to keep them down, the crab-like progeny of Saturn that
had been imprisoned in the underground caves began to creep out into the daylight again,
infesting the surface of the earth and preying on humankind." So like the Titans started to
come back out from their prison. after the gods were cut off from the world as it grew denser
and denser. Interesting that he chooses 13,000 BC. That's like 3,000 years before the younger
Darius. Yeah. And this is also like the god supposedly wiped the earth of, you know, cleansed
the earth of like these, the humankind had become so perverse and so like changed by the... what
Lucifer had done to it. So this is still before that might have occurred. Right. Okay. Full
scale were... So, oh, sorry. It says sea monsters also leapt onto the shore to drag off members
of the tribe that strayed too close. Giants carried off cattle and sometimes preyed on
human flesh too. So these are like different monsters wherever they might've been enslaved.
Full-scale wars took place between the humans and armies of other creatures, stragglers from
the previous epoch. The war between the Lapiths, a tribe of Neolithic flint-nappers, and the
Centaurs is recorded on the Parthenon frieze. The Centaurs had been invited to the wedding
of the leader of the Lapids, but were inflamed by the sight of the white hairless bodies of
the Lapith women. They dragged off the bride and... yeah. took advantage of her and her
bridesmaids and page boys too. In the ensuing fight, Lapith King was killed and so began
the feud that lasted for generations. So, talks about some of the creatures that were away.
So as the bones thickened and the animals grew, the animal world began to feel its weight.
Creation grew tired and animals grew vicious. as they had to struggle to survive. As humanity
continued to fall, so did nature. It became red in tooth and claw. Lions and wolves began
to attack humans. Plants grew thorns to scratch and make their gathering a fruit difficult,
and poisonous plants evolved like wolfsbane. Yeah, so it's talking about just the world
going in, descending into chaos once the gods are cut off. and they have less and less of
a influence on what's going on Earth. Okay. Jump ahead a little bit.
It became possible for one center of consciousness to believe itself cut off from another. Am
I my brother's keeper? Asked Tink, asked Kane. Um, who represents the evolution. So Kane who
represents the evolution of a new form of consciousness. This question would have meant nothing to Adam
and Eve. I wanted to bring that up because the, this, that idea of Adam and Eve being like
the plant life progeny of Proto humans, right? They're like this web that's cast out that
everything's kind of born of. Whereas Kane, by the time we get to Kane, A, he has a brother,
and B, he's talking about ideas of whether or not he's responsible for him. Huh. So just
before that, I skipped over a little bit. Oh, yeah, I skipped the best part, actually. The
only part of the Amazons. So previously, we talked about the Freys. And the Parthenon Freys
also records battle against the Amazons, a race of warrior women who were the first to ride
horses into battle. An Amazon had to kill a man before she was married, allowed to marry.
Wearing armor of fur, carrying shields in a half moon shape, their calvary scythed down,
a row upon row of six foot, uh, rows of foots of foot soldiers. They were magnificent and
they were represented a new form of human behavior. Because hard on the heels of the possibility
of death had come the possibility of killing, of murder. Cut us and we would bleed. Cut us
hard and often we would die. Some humans began to delight in this. The Book of Enoch describes
how the surface of the earth became covered with warring armies and says that human flesh
itself had become perverse. Because of the encasing, bony skull and emissing of the, meshing of
the organs of spiritual perception, humans were now shut off, not only from the gods ranged
above them, but also from each other. A shadow was falling over human relations. Hmm.
Dude, the Amazons. they end up in South America. Yeah. And have their stories preserved in Greece.
Yeah, I mean the... That in of itself is pretty weird to me. Like you got these, based on the
trips to the Amazon, you got these women that perfectly fit the description of the Amazons.
and the only historical telling of them outside of the Amazon is from Greece. That in and of
itself seems like evidence of like, pre-deluvial, like global civilization, you know? Yeah. Yeah,
they probably had some kind of... like multi-national or multi-continental society. Yeah, which is
totally not the point he's trying to make in this. Right, but it's fascinating to think
of it being in a physical, like, because a lot of this does allude to a lot of like metaphysical
or like spiritual fights being had and like them having tapped into it in a sense. And
like, they do describe and early on they ask you to. you know, suspend disbelief and accept
the imagery you're about to receive in order to like, to get the knowledge passed on because
the knowledge from these mystery schools had to go underground for so long that a lot of
it was just encapsulated into this imagery. Right. And this book does a great job of getting
me there. Like, the way it describes things and the way it describes like, you know, quote
unquote, historical or religious significant events, like it brings those images to the
forefront of my mind, which is, I think, the point of it all, you know? Yeah. Especially
if you're trying to actually receive the message, like whatever might be encoded in this story
or their teachings or whatever, you know? Yeah. It's all about the imagery of it. A lot of
this can't be taken for scientific fact. Even though we're starting, we discovered some of
this, some of the really prehistoric stuff. Yeah, I mean, it all gets hand down in like
legends and myths, which you can't verify scientifically. So it's only through comparing it all and like
combing it for its metaphors and imagery that you can like. Really piece together what's
meant to be said there. Yeah. There's this idea that the Brothers of the Serpent talk about
a lot. I was going to say that there's this idea that the Brothers of the Serpent are part
of this cult. There's this term they use called quant-suff. Oh, yeah, yeah. And we may have
to start using it, because it's going to be relevant in the future. We've got to ask permission.
But essentially. I'll go on their Discord and ask permission. Well, he got it from a book.
Oh, really? Yeah. So it was some science fiction book about whatever world where there was a
previous civilization. I think it was like post-apocalyptic, like way in the future. As if we were wiped
out. And then whoever the character in the book or whatever like finds something and it says
like, I don't know, some mundane thing said something like quantity And all they like that
survived of it was the quant and the suff. And they were like quant suff. And they were like
trying to put all this religious meaning onto it. And they like raised it to some sacred
level. And it's essentially just an example of like looking at something from the past
out of context. And you know, you quant suff it. You. you assign meaning to it that is not
the meaning that was originally there. Unnecessary and a lot of, yeah. And so there's always the
danger of that with interpreting these mythologies, but there's also in seeing the similarities
between them and the- Yeah. You can pull out things where- And I think because me and you
talk about this stuff a lot too, and we're gonna do a lot more of this now that we're doing
this podcast and stuff. If you do it with another person or people you trust and you allow yourself
to read these ideas that aren't necessarily, these aren't scientific words or these aren't
widely accepted things, but you're allowed to open your mind and discuss the possibilities
that these might mean. Yeah. And you get to, and as long as you are able to have these conversations
and not just sitting in a room by yourself trying to like... Well, and if you follow what he
asks of you and you put your disbelief on hold and you just allow it to wash over you and
allow yourself to be emerged in the imagery, you might find that you have some sort of unexplainable
shift in the things you think at the end of it, which is why I still recommend everyone
get a copy of this book because it's freaking awesome. Yeah, we're skipping through it a
lot. So there's a lot of passages you're not going to get from us. There's a lot of things.
This is not a replacement for reading the book. No. We're trying to just quickly go through
and read some stuff and then talk about it. So definitely go get a copy. Use our link.
Yeah. We'll put it in the show notes. Is that working? Amy said it was hard. Yeah. No. Did
you see her thing? Amy said it's not super easy, guys. And then she gave us that wide teeth,
like, shh. I'll have to talk to her about that more, but essentially if you look in our show
notes, we'll have links to different things. Anytime it's a book link or something like
purchasable, if it's available on Amazon, I usually create an Amazon link for it. Do we
have our own account that's set up for that? Yeah, we have one of the affiliate links. Yeah,
it's like an affiliate sales link. So if someone buys after clicking our link, so she clicks
the link, it'll just go to Amazon and then she just has to buy. So she doesn't even know it's
happening a lot of times? Maybe she's just confused because she doesn't expect to just end up on
the Amazon website. I don't know. She probably thinks it's going to take us to some page where
it says, thanks for supporting duality check. Oh, yeah. That's probably what she's expecting.
It's not through us that you're buying. Yeah, yeah. It's just a link to Amazon. All right.
I'll continue. I'm going to read this nice little bit and then skip ahead again. Humans or history
shows that humans have a dislike of humans with other forms of consciousness, which they often
find hard to tolerate. Sometimes they feel the urge to eradicate it from the face of the earth.
We need only think of the treatment of the Europeans by the Aztecs, the near genocide of the Aborigines
of Australia. or the attempt to wipe out the gypsies by the Nazis. Later, we will see that
since the time of Moses, the Jews have often been the forefront of forging new forms of
consciousness. Humans were now free to make mistakes, to choose the bad and to enjoy it.
It was no longer the case that humans received all their spiritual nourishment from the milky
sap-filled breast of Mother Earth. The natural law and the moral law were no longer the same
thing. The earth grew colder, harder, and more dangerous in many different ways. People struggled
to survive and would sometimes find themselves stretched to the limits of endurance. They
discovered that the road ahead would always be fraught with the danger of death. But unless
they took the road, they would die anyway. From now on, they would have to put at risk what
they valued most or they would lose it. Beyond a certain point, there was no return. That
point, they discovered, must be reached.
Interesting. That kind of leads us into like the early philosophers, like the first kind
of like people who started to like question what it is to be human. Yeah, well there's,
there is like a certain, there's something weird about like, Through our spiritual practices,
we learn that it's bad to kill and cheat and rob and all this. You have a sort of moral
code. But then you look out at nature, and it's freaking ruthless. It's brutal. It's just super
violent, super ruthless. Everything's trying to kill you. There's a beautiful balance to
it in nature, too. But if you're not careful, you're going to be something's lunch. Yep.
There's always the springtime, but there's always the winter that preceded it, where nature has
to do what it has to do to survive. And so you've got one set of rules for survival for the law
of nature. And then you've got a set of rules that you're trying to abide by of morality
or spirituality. And those aren't 100% compatible. Yep. Absolutely. But it's interesting, too,
is like, this is the time where people could choose wrong and enjoy it. And that's, that's
an interesting distinction of change. Yeah. That's why they talked about the, the material
world and the spirit world being inimical there, and enemies, you know, in a sense, the spiritual
aspect of humanity and the material aspects of humanity are, are competing forces. Yeah.
You know, to really ascend and be spiritual, you have to forego the material possessions
and that's what's been taught in a lot of these esoteric and like old world traditions. And
you gotta forego your material. Or like with Chris Bledsoe, when he gets his assignment
and one of his first lessons he's imparted, that's imparted on him is that all life is
sacred. And now he cries when he, you know, kills a bug. Yep. But at the same time, the
law of nature is above that because has Chris Bledsoe ever driven a car? He's killed hundreds
and thousands of bugs. You know, like just our existence, even if you decide to have a perfectly
vegetarian existence, like tilling soil and setting the ground for crops to grow, you're
killing some stuff in favor of other stuff. And so... even a quote-unquote nonviolent vegetarian
existence is still causing death directly. They're still violent directly attributed to that.
Yeah. The only way to avoid that in a sense is to completely be self-sufficient in... your
own garden that you are able to survive off of. But people who grow gardens, especially
in areas that are available to them now, like in these highly populated areas, it's much
harder to really work at it. And even still, you're not going to be able to completely survive
off of it. Still, but you till a garden, you're going to kill an earthworm in the process.
True. Unless you're going real slow and checking the dirt as you go. Even then. Yeah. So yeah,
it goes on right after that to say. Wait, sorry. Even if you're not directly killing, what's
the most natural form of pesticides? If you're an organic farmer, so that you don't get bugs
crawling over your stuff, you let some chickens in there to eat up all the bugs. So maybe it's
not you, but like. You're facilitating that to happen. Yeah. Right. Yeah, that's a good
point. No, and it's not to shit on anybody who has those points, those ways of life. It's
to make you understand that everything in the world has a place in the pecking order. And
it's just by our existence of being humans and having our needs, we have to eat. Otherwise,
we just straight up die. And unless you want to only live for a few years. It's pointing
out what the book is talking about. Yeah. There's the law of nature. And then there's that spiritual
law. You're striving for being, for not killing, and not hurting. But no matter how hard you
strive, you still have to reckon with the law of nature. And the law of nature requires.
Yeah. Yeah, and even if you're a hunter and you're thinking like, haha, yeah, they're talking
about those guys like You still have to understand that Like and a lot of people do a lot of hunters
are pretty good about this and there's laws in place to prevent people from like overkilling
but Overkilling is it was and it can be a problem You know if you were to just go kill a bunch
of stuff and then throw it in your freezer And you've ruined the population of that animal
in the area You know, like that can have drastic implications. And sure, that meat might still
be used for you, but you know. Yeah. There is implications. So still being able to moderate,
like not just going around and killing a bunch of animals for fun. Right. Even though you
only eat 20% or 50% of it, you're still losing 50% to waste. Yeah, it's weird and murky because
like, we can only go so far to like prevent harm before like you can't do anything. Like
if you're refused to harm anything ever again, like you wouldn't be able to eat. Yep, you
just you would wither away. Or you would and just ignore the fact that the people who produced
it... did a bunch of harm. And it's all really just about the awareness of it all. That's
all. Being aware that whatever you are consuming still attributes to death no matter what. I
mean, and you can still go out and hike and watch a nature documentary and see the beauty
and the wonder and the interconnectedness of nature. But the lion's still going to kill
something to eat. Yeah, I mean, you can go in and it's good to we want to preserve the earth.
That's that's important because the earth is what gives us everything we got. But you still
got to eat to survive. So, you know, whether you eat greens and, you know, nuts or you eat
meat, some greens every once in a while. Anyway, we'll get off that spiel. Oh, are we over?
Yeah, we can, you want to take a little one or you want to finish out? I just want to finish
this one spot and then we'll jump ahead. So I just going to finish this with a this is
in reference to what we were talking about before of like humans discovering more about themselves.
So they discovered uncomfortable things about themselves to. They had become brutalized by
the new world and had grown a hard, protective carapace of habit. to break open this carapace
and expose the sensitive parts of themselves, the better part that could bring them fully
alive again was a bloody and painful process that few could face. The world became darker,
a place of paradox where opposites meet and where it was painful to be human, a world calling
out for heroism. Yeah. Right. That first part of that, the talking about them growing this
carapace of protective firmament, kind of idea. And that's basically what we just talked about.
You get born in the world, and the world beats you up. You form a shell in order to break
it back out. You scratch yourself on some thorns, and you get bitten. And you try and go hunting.
One of your party gets killed by the animal's horns, and the world beats you up, and you
have to get tough and hard in order to survive. And so you do that, and you build up this protective
shell to shut down your sensitivities so that you can survive well. But now you're hardened
to the softer side of things. Yeah, and in order, like it says even to. bring yourself out of
that and to live again and to be more open to like, it's a hard, it's a hard probs fear ridden
process like blood. So talked about, right? Like the, you have to go through the fear and
the uncertainty and like the hardships in order to like really fully understand the weight
of what you were giving up if you don't go actively choose the opposite. Right? Yeah. Alright,
we'll be back in a minute. Alright.
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Welcome back! Hello! Alright.
So you know what's funny is I never actually reviewed the beer last time we started talking
about other stuff like almost immediately. No I started talking about those non-alcoholic
beers. So yeah. What are you drinking? I brought it up because I was looking at the can and
I was like this looks exactly like the one that Amy gave you. Yeah yeah. Because she came and
showed me. Anyway I'm drinking the Track 7 Brewing Company's Hazy Panic IPA. Yeah, the Panic IPA
is one of my favorites. I haven't had the Hazy Panic. I saw it and I was like, this is probably,
I bet Drew will like it. It's right up my alley. He likes the Hazys. It's good. Tastes like
most other Hazys. It's got the kind of like the Track 7 IPA flavor profile, but with a
little bit of Hazy in there. Let me see. Doesn't have much on the can. It's pretty plain, but.
What's the percentage? 6.8. Yeah. Doesn't meet the dad cutoff. No, but it's a good daily IPA.
Not a daily, weekly IPA for those who like IPAs. Yeah. Heck yeah. I just realized that right
as I was starting this. I realized it later in the. after we were in the last segment,
but I didn't want to stop us actually covering the topic. Okay. Yeah, I mean, we probably
should have stopped it. Anyway, we'll get back into it here. So, the myths of Greek heroes,
Cadmus, Hercules, Theseus, and Jason, are some of the most famous stories in human history.
It might seem as if they were entirely missing from the biblical account. But according to
the ancient tradition preserved in the secret societies, Cadmus is to be identified with
Enoch, the first human in Hebrew tradition, to whom the gods turned for help." So this
is like, remember the gods are shut off, but now they have this kind of way to still kind
of get in. So Enoch is their first kind of... way back into human affairs in a sense, right?
Okay, okay. So the Old Testament contains only a few enigmatic words of Enoch. Genesis 5,
chapter 5, passage 21 through 24. And Enoch lived 60 and five years, and begot Methuselah,
and Enoch walked with God after he begot Methuselah, and Enoch... 300 years and begot sons and daughters
and all the days of Enoch were 365 years. That's old. And Enoch walked with God and he was not,
for God took him. So he was 365 years old, which is weird. Yeah. And also 365 days in a year,
which is weird. Seems pretty symbolic. Yeah. There is little to go on here, but as we have
already seen, there is literary tradition about Enoch in Hebrew literature, including some
books which are widely quoted in the New Testament. In one of these, the Book of Jubilees, Enoch
is described as discovering the writings of the Watchers. But this is a clumsy translation.
What is meant to be discovered which is to say, invented language itself. Hebrew tradition
presents Enoch as a strange figure. His shining continents was uncomfortable to look at, and
he was evidently an uncomfortable presence. In this, he may remind us of the Jesus of gospels,
captivating vast crowds, but feeling that he wants to withdraw in order to be alone. with
the great spiritual beings who are showing themselves to them. Mm-hmm. Yeah, that shining.
That seems like, yeah, I believe Jesus has been described that way. Sightings of like the Virgin
Mary. Right. Like them like averting their eyes because of that. Chris Bledsoe's description
of the lady. Right. I was gonna mention that.
But also it touches on that idea of these ascended masters, these people who don't die, they just
leave. And there's multiple of those throughout the Bible. And Enoch is, I think, probably
the first one. Yeah, I mean, his tale is kind of kept out from the Bible for the most part.
Yeah. These are like specific, you know. Well, he says to identify him with Cadmus. I wonder
what the tales of Cadmus are. Oh, yeah. I mean, these are the tellings of Cadmus, though he
is. Well, those were the stories of Enoch from the Jubilees. Yeah. But I think he goes on
to talk more about Cadmus. Or maybe I've skipped the Cadmus. I don't know. No, that's fine.
Yeah, no, Cadmus is a Greek mythological character, so... Yeah, we'd have to read more about him.
I don't know. Okay. What else? So, the generation of Jared, Enoch's father, had been the last
to experience uninterrupted visions of the successive waves of gods, angels, and spirits emanating
from the mind of God. What Enoch was preserving in the first language and the first stone monuments,
the oldest stone circles, was the vision of the hierarchies of spiritual beings ranged
above. Enoch is one of the great figures in the Secret History of the World, because he
gave complete account of what we might call in today's terms the ecosystem of the spirit
worlds. For this, he is remembered not only as Cadmus in the Greek tradition, but as Idris
in the Arabian tradition, and Hermes Trismegistus in the esoteric Egyptian tradition. He knew
that just as thought processes weaken health, language weakens memory. I think they likened
him to the, like they're saying that he created language. Yeah. He was the originator of language.
That's interesting. I've heard talk of like writing weakening memory. but the talk of language
itself weakening memory, that's interesting. I haven't really pondered that.
Because imagery might be a better way to remember things or like smells and sights and like other
ways, other ways to experience the world might be a better way to encapsulate a memory. Because
there are so many times in my life where a certain smell or a certain song brings me back to a
memory so much more clearly than just reading something that I had written from that time
or something. Right. Interesting. So maybe that's what that means, like the language of it. Being
able to like trying to describe it in language makes it harder to remember it. It's hard for
me to disentangle language from humanity, though, because it feels like it's just a core part
of us. Like, I think in words, you know? Like, yeah. But do you think in language? Words,
yeah. Well, yeah, but are you actually hearing it? Is it actually like a hear it? Like a,
I don't know. There's a conversation happening in there to myself, sometimes back and forth,
you know? You don't talk to yourself in your head in words. No, but what I'm saying is like,
I don't know, language has a different connotation for me. Like. I understand that you're communicating
something with yourself and it might be in a specific language as far as English or something,
but I don't know. I guess in this case it would, yes, that makes the most sense. But it is true.
Language does heavily affect your... What about ASL? American Sign Language. That's not a verbal
thing. But doesn't mean... But what I'm saying is that person, if they're thinking, they're
thinking of images of somebody doing a hand signal or an image of a hand signal. They may
be thinking in a language, but their language is an imagery. So what I'm trying to say is
it's not just an auditory thing. Right, right. So language can transcend. Right, it's not
always auditory. It can be written. It can be signed. It can be spoken.
But I think when you grow up with your entire experience of the world being expressed through
language, you learn how the world works through language with others. It's hard not to, like
your brain becomes wired with that language and so your existence and your experience.
has language running through it. Yeah, I mean, I guess it's more of an idea of like, what
you call language, right? Because if you were born deaf and blind, and all you had was the
feeling that somebody was touching you and they gave you signals. And like, there's so many
different ways to interpret language. Like, you can, any way to interpret the world could
be considered a language then. Well, I think any way that. you systematically communicate
with others. Right, but what if that's in a visual sense? That would probably be the definition
of a language. That means that it could transcend to any sense, then, smell, sight, touch, all
the different senses can be translated in, like there could be a language made up for any of
those, right? You could build a language out of those, yeah. Well, I guess what you're saying,
like, just the fact that it's communicative doesn't make it a language. That's, yeah. Yeah.
Because it's possible, so we still don't know, obviously, like, if animals' calls are essentially,
like, equivalent in some sort of way to, like, our words and communication with each other.
We know there are certain things that are associated with certain behaviors and sounds that they
make. And so they may be communicating like a mood. Yeah. Whether that's a language. Right.
I, yeah, that depends on how you define a language. That's what I'm saying, yeah. Like language
is pretty ambiguous. Like it's pretty, it's hard to like nail down to just like spoken
word or like hearing or like, as far as like, yes, we can put a label on it and we could
say this is what it is, but the effect of it, could be translated as completely different,
in a completely different way, from different beings, different levels of consciousness that
have only a certain level of senses that they can bring in, right? There could still be communication,
there could still be language, it's just, we're gonna always put a label on it. My buddy TJ,
and his dog, like, he's so good at training her, and she understands so many commands.
Yeah. She's not speaking English. Right, but she's really trying to understand what he's
saying to her. She's focused, yeah. Yeah, she puts in a ton of effort to try and pull the
meaning, like what is he trying to communicate with her. And so there's an attempt at language,
and there are certain things that over time, she gets those associations. Because it's a
regular thing, yeah. And so at that point, he can just communicate what he wants with those
words, but she can't communicate back. So then would that be a language if it's only one way?
There's so many weird gray areas. So then guess what? We just proved the fact that language
deteriorates memory. How? Because memory, I don't know. I guess I don't know specifically.
But language weakens memory is their assertion here. And the fact that we couldn't nail down
what language is. just weaken the fact that we remember how important language is, right?
Like it just weakened it in a sense. We just went off. No, I know, I know. Talking about
how important it is, but. No, but I was just saying it, like weaken the stability and the
fact that our understanding of what language is and how important it is to us. It does not
make it less important that other people are experiencing language in a different way, right?
We put importance on a specific aspect of language. I don't know, I'm just like in our little rant
there that we went on, it in a sense kind of weakened the position that language was in
for us. So we can memory in a sense because our attachment to the memory of that, how important
language is or how that aspect of language is important. It still holds important, obviously.
I'm not saying language isn't whole importance, but. Yeah, language. I think what we established
is just that it's hard to define. It's hard to know the edges where does something become
a language and when it's like a sub language, is there a different term for it then? I guess
what I'm saying is that initially your thought was, you remember how important, you remembered
this is that, but then we talked about it. And it weakened your initial point of like, no,
it's like this, right? That's what I'm trying to get at. It weakened the memory of how important.
I don't know. It's hard to describe. I'd have to do a better job of describing it, I guess.
Yeah. I still think, because I remember a lot of times in language, too. But I see your point.
A lot of times, what I really remember about an event that happened is not that, um, what
was said. In fact, I'm pretty famously bad at like recalling a conversation word for word.
But I can like, I can sort of remember intention and I can remember setting and I can remember
sometimes smells and you know, feelings. And so those things are probably rooted in deeper
into memory and so maybe the point he's trying to make is, Once you introduce language, once
language is the way that you communicate, once language is your experience of the world, it
becomes your internal dialogue and maybe has less strength in associated memories. I think
we were almost there. Some people are so good at memorizing things. Yeah, yeah, but who's
to tell them that they're wrong, right? If they're in a situation where it's two people like trying
to remember the same instance and the person that remembers it really well, and there's
a person that doesn't remember it well, who's right? Because if the person that remembers
it really well is actually full of shit and doesn't actually remember it well, but is confident
that they remember it well, and the person that doesn't remember it well I was thinking more.
Would possibly remember it well, but doesn't remember it well. Right. Who is actually right?
I was thinking in the context of preparing for a test or an exam. Sure. You're studying, and
you're cramming a bunch of flashcards in your head, and you're memorizing all these concepts.
Yeah, I wasn't thinking that at all. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. I definitely did not go
back to school. Some people, memory and language are pretty strong together. Yes, but those
are... I had another thread I was gonna go on. A lot of times there's brain hacks you have
to do in order to accomplish that sort of like deep level of memorization. But I guess the
sense of like memory that they're going for here is not necessarily a sense of like the
mathematic, you know, or like remembering things on a test. It's more of remembering how you
felt in a certain instance, right? Or how you, how something was portrayed to you, right?
Like you were, you were getting at before is like, you were saying like, when you really
remember something, you have the language to describe what it is that you remembered and
how it was remembered, but you're using language doesn't describe what you actually remember
because you remembered the feeling, you remembered the song that was playing, you remembered the
smell, you remember how it made you feel. Language is your only tool for expressing it. Exactly.
So in that sense, it weakens the actual memory because what you're trying to convey is that
you felt so swept. because the song came on right when you had this feeling and it helped
emanate this and the smell was like, you know, all these things came together to actually
form the memory. Cause when, you know, you're at a bar or a show or you're hanging out with
friends and like all these things are going on, you're not remembering every word that
everybody's saying. You're remembering the feeling, you're remembering the setting, you're remembering
what everybody looks like, you're remembering all these different aspects of it. But all
you have to describe that is language. And language isn't sufficient to actually fully immerse
yourself in the moment that you were in at that time. And maybe this is sort of a commentary
on that. Previous to this, in the previous age, when everything was more spiritual and ethereal,
maybe we could sort of direct. you know, maybe everything was a little more telepathic. And
so you could just transmit a memory to someone. And that would be more accurate. And then you're
not trying to store it with language. You're storing it as those images. And maybe your
memory would be better if you could operate that way. I wonder, like, obviously, theoretically,
this could be scientifically tested, but not ethically and not. in today's world unless
we come up with a form of telepathy. But let's say, you know, Neuralink unlocks some sort
of like mental telepathy later on. You could do an experiment where if someone were to grow
up without language but with access to be able to transmit ideas to people. Ooh, that would
be fascinating. They could sort of form of. form of communication that is a direct passing
of experiences back and forth. Yeah, like you almost get to, you get to watch the movie of
what happened instead of like, just their, their take on it. Have you ever worked in like, I
mean, yeah, that's kind of what we do, right? Like, yeah, like if somebody's like, how was
the show? And you send them a clip of it, but it still doesn't get to the feeling of it,
how you felt in the moment. Right. So you'd still have to add that aspect of it, which
would be that the idea of the whole brain interface, your brain can communicate that and turn it
into a PDF file for you to read. I just wonder which group of humans would have better memories.
Oh, I mean, it seems subjective. Theoretically, scientifically possible. It still seems a little
bit subjective as far as who has the better memory. There is a way to have, but a sort
of. telepathy, even if it was technological. Yeah, I mean, then you still have to trust
the sensors and the detectors. Well, you'd also have to raise people without language, which
is unethical. Well, possibly. If the language is memory and they're able to do what they
need to do, but. But you can't just raise. Yeah, if you're just feeding them in a zoo and you're
just like raising them without language because they can't survive without it, like obviously
that's unethical. Yeah, for sure. Right. For sure. I'm not going to argue that. All right,
what else you got? Oh shit. We went on with a good one there. Um, so it says just after
that. So we went over the fact that he says that he knew that just as thought weakens the,
uh, the thought processes, we can health and language weakens memory says, because according
to the secret doctrine, all language originated. with the giving of names of the heavenly bodies.
Moreover, the earliest art, such as is found in the caves of Lascaux in France and Altamira
in Spain, is likewise really a depiction of the same heavenly bodies. These heavenly bodies
are the thoughts of the great cosmic mind weaving through everything in the cosmos. language
and art now enabled humans to appropriate these cosmic thoughts in some way and to make them
their own. So we got art, we got language, right? Yeah. And then we go into the story of Hercules.
The danger... Oh, sorry. The 12 labors of Hercules show him moving through a series of trials,
each set for him to, by the successive spirits who rule the constellations. It is a series
of trials which all humans take, and by and large, they take them unwittingly. Like Hercules.
The life of Hercules then illustrates the pain of being a man. He is every man, trapped in
a cycle of pain. To modern sensibilities, the fact of a story being allegorical makes it
less likely to be an accurate depiction of real events. Modern writers try to drain their texts
of meaning, flatten them out in order to make them more naturalistic. To the ancients who
believed every single thing that happened on Earth is guided by the motions of the stars
and planets, the more a narrative brought out these poetic the truer and more realistic the
text. Yeah. That's almost the, yeah, the more it made you feel, the more it synced up with
the cosmos. Yeah. The more true it was. The more it made you, yeah, cause like the more
moved you are by a piece of music, the more moved you are by a poem, the more moved you
are by a piece of art, like the more it rings true to what it is that you. to what it is
to be you as a human in your time, right? Just because a piece of music is technically advanced
doesn't make it good to listen to, doesn't make it give you a feeling, right? Yep. OK. So we'll
finish off this chapter real quick. If you look at this period of Enoch, Hercules, and Jason
with the Eye of Science, you will see none of the great events that have been described in
this chapter. You will not see the heroes or monsters arising from the sea, or phantasmal
deities like Zeus or black magic causing the fall of empires. You will see only the wind
and rain on dreary natural landscapes, whose only human features are, at best, some fairly
unimpressive dwellings and primitive stone tools. But, perhaps science only shows us what happened
on the surface. Perhaps more important things were happening underneath, what the secret
history preserves in the memory of the subjective experience of the great experiences that transformed
the human psyche during this period, which is more real. Which tells us more about the reality
of being human in this period, the scientific one or the esoteric one encoded in the ancient
myths. Yeah. Might there be levels of truth or reality in today's events that are missed
by the scientific-oriented, common-sense consciousness we use to navigate our way through traffic
jams, supermarkets, and emails? Mm. Yeah, it's, yeah, our...
That makes me think of people who kind of have their eyes open for, uh, for... UFOs? Synchronicities
and UFOs and... things that you kind of otherwise just phase to the science. That science may
explain away as like, you only see it because you believe it and it's so sort of a bias in
your head that's making it true for you. In some sense, like, what if that, willingness
to believe something is a... what's even giving the experience in the first place and that
experience actually is there. And you have to kind of approach the world with a different
set of expectations, looking at it in a different level, not just breaking it all down to the
cold analytics. Yep. You know, and that goes to show like a lot of these, a lot of the stories
that I've read and heard is like, you know, people who were going through bad times and
going through hard times or going through some kind of strife in their life and like these
things happening to them that are outside of the realm of possibility to the materialistic,
like naturalistic point of view. Like it, it's just completely, you know, shudders in the
face of all the, you know, real world quote unquote stuff going on and people just scoff
at it. A lot of times it's because their willingness to just let it all hang out, right? Allow themselves
to believe and to view the world as it is. Right. Or at least a lack of putting up a bunch of
walls or securities and stuff. Right. Yeah, to prevent it. Yeah. And that usually goes
with throwing your hands up in the air, like Chris Bledsoe talks about. And like, you know,
maybe he had a few more near-death experiences to allow him to access a different level of
it. But you know, most people, and even religious people can talk about this too, like people
like really getting in a bad way and praying loudly and openly to the heavens and getting
to a point and like... they see what they want to see and they experience what they needed
to experience in that moment and it brings them to a better place and that's important and
it's happening for them and you know nobody should downplay that like or nobody should
poo that just because you don't specifically agree with it. I Think it's important because
that person was saved by it. So who cares if you agree with what happened? Right, right.
The effect is real. Yeah, well said. All right let's uh Come back and see how much damage
we can do that next chapter in the last segment. I Have less things highlighted. So, okay Alrighty
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So we were talking about Avatar of the Last Airbender and the idea of doing a show about
the series and how much we love it, all the cool lessons in it. The whole lore and lessons,
everything you learn in that. It's great. But right as we started recording, I was like,
baby, we want to tell you, there's a series that dropped just today. We're recording this
on March 21. it dropped on Netflix called Three Body Problem. Have we talked about that before?
No. It's a science fiction series by a Chinese author whose name I can't pronounce, something
Liu, I think. But it's a really cool sci-fi series and over the book series, it covers
like thousands of years of humanity. But it's essentially exploring the idea of the Fermi
paradox. And one of the solutions to it being the dark forest hypothesis. Dark forest? Have
you heard of that? No. Yeah, so it's the idea that the reason we don't hear anyone out there
sending signals is because everyone knows that if you send a signal, then some civilization
out there that has the capability to will just wipe you out. Right. And so everyone stays
quiet.
Oh. So there's an intrinsic, visceral want. Is there some kind of memory involved in that?
Well, it's almost like a game theory interpretation of the Fermi paradox. Because if you think
about it this way, you can send a signal at the speed of light.
And. The person who receives it now knows where you are. They now know that you're a technological
civilization. They don't know how long it would take them to get to you or you to get to them.
They don't know if there's a freaking nuke. or a world ending thing on the way right behind
that message, right? So as soon as you give away your location, you can risk communicating
back to them, but if they're not friendly, then you're just giving away your location by communicating
back and they could annihilate you. And so the safest thing to do is to annihilate them first.
And so everyone learns to stay silent. How would you learn to stay silent unless you've been
annihilated? Well, because you've thought through the idea before making a mistake to communicate.
Yeah, OK. I see. So it's just a thought experiment then on the idea. But the entire series is
based on that sort of premise of the Fermi paradox. And it goes over. humanity coming into contact,
making first contact, and some human sends a message back, and they receive a return reply
that says, stop, don't talk anymore. They'll, they will, they're going to get you. I see.
But it's too late, and then humanity is giving away its position. Now they're involved in
this thing, then somebody's coming to get them. Yep. It's pretty interesting. I would, yeah.
Please send me that and link it for anybody else too. Yeah, it just dropped today. Oh,
is it on Netflix? It's on Netflix. Oh, shit. OK. It's called The Three Body Problem. Three
Body Problem. OK. It's got a bunch of really good actors. I hope they do a good job. I'm
excited for it. OK. You haven't watched it yet? No, no. OK. I love new shows. Anyway, so we
are, I mean, OK, here we go. We're going into chapter eight. The Sphinx and the Time Lock.
Orpheus. Daedalus? Daedalus. Daedalus, I was wondering if it was A or U there. The First
Scientist, Job. The Solving of the Riddle of the Sphinx.
Orifice had traveled down from the north, bringing with him the gift of music. His music was so
beautiful that it could not only charm humans and animals, it could make trees, even rocks
move. On the voyage with Jason, he helped the heroes when brute force could not, singing
and accompanying him with his lyre. He charmed the great clashing rocks that threatened to
crush the Argos. He sent the dragon that guarded the golden fleece to sleep. On his return,
he fell in love with Eurydice. But on the day of their wedding, she was bitten on the ankle
by the snake and died. Half blinded by grief, Orpheus descended into the underworld. He was
determined not to accept the new order of life and death, determined to win her back. So this
is the story of Orpheus and... Orpheus and Eurydice. Yeah. Does it keep going? Are you going to
keep reading it? I was going to jump ahead a bit, but we can summarize it. Yeah, he goes
down into the underworld. And he strikes a deal with Hades that if... Hades tells him if he
can leave the underworld without looking back once. then she would be following him and she
would be his. She'd be free to go. Yeah. And at the very last second, he questions. Whether
he's being tricked or not. Whether he's being tricked. And he looks back, and he sees her
getting pulled back into the depths of the underworld. And then he is then torn apart by the, I think,
I don't know what they call them, like the goblins or whatever, the demons that. are part of the
lake, right? The ones that pull you down and tear you apart. And then they go on to talk
about how his head was put on display because his head traveled down the river and it was
put on display as like a warning to future travelers or whatever. Yeah. Interesting.
Yeah, so he goes on to talk about if Cadmus Enoch named the planets and the stars, that
it was Orphus who measured them. And by measuring them, he invented numbers. There are eight
notes in an octave. Remember, he plays a lyre, which is like a musical instrument, and he's
able to like, kind of like suppress. people by using it anyway. He's kind of like Snorlax.
So it goes on to, he measured the, he measured the planets and the stars. He invented numbers.
There are eight notes in an octave, but in a sense, they're really only seven, as the eighth
always represents the elevation to the next octave. The octaves then refer to ascent through
the seven spheres of the solar system. The spheres which in antiquity were central to all thought
and experience, by giving a system of the notation, orifice was originating mathematics. Concepts
could be manipulated, paving the way for the scientific understanding of the physical universe.
Yeah, so that's an interesting idea.
So this is the part of the book where I start to like... have a tougher time suspending my
disbelief because this is the part of the book where he starts ascribing dates to things and
he starts ascribing things to certain specific historical figures and certain civilizations.
And with all the research we've done with Graham and Randall and all the reading we've done
over the years, we know the likelihood that civilization goes back so much further. And
so this is where I start wishing that he kept the whole thing nebulous and stayed away from
like the names and dates at quite as much as far as like crediting people with things. So
unless there's a metaphor or a meaning in him crediting Orpheus with creating numbers, like
we know that numbers existed before that because the Babylonians, the Sumerians, they had. math.
Yeah, unless they're talking about Orpheus's spirit, right? They're talking about his human
spirit that was like this still like etheric thing, right? But maybe what they're ultimately
describing is the overlaying like a separate dimension on top of ours, where our spirits
actually intermingle on a different level and they have different experiences and maybe our
spirits go on different paths than we would in a physical sense, right? So maybe there's
some kind of like separate thing that they're trying to like allude to. Or it's just like
full on encoding of story using the story to encode specific things like. having the fact
that there's certain numbers attributed to this person, and maybe that person attributes you
to a different set of beliefs or whatever, and there's like a way to follow the numbers and
the codes there. That might be. That's what I'm kind of getting at too, is that I think
it means more than the specific names and dates he's describing. Because still, like the idea
that music
was the origin of mathematics is an interesting theory. And in a way, it kind of makes sense.
Like you could see basic arithmetic coming to be pretty easily, like people counting items
and passing things back and forth and whatnot.
Yeah, music, it is mathematical. Well, especially if you think about it, right? So like the very
first origin of music, right? Might be just you hearing somebody's heartbeat and it be
beating in a rhythmic fashion, right? So like that beat, and then you start to do other things.
Like you hit things on a table and it makes a thing. And then you're like, you attribute
that to the beat of the heart. And then you have you're able to create a count based off
that and then you're able to create octaves and you're able to create all these different
sounds and you know based off of that original thing. Yeah, yeah. It's interesting thought.
Yeah, so maybe music came... I was thinking like music inspiring language too. Mm-hmm.
Because... The sounds. You could see people like having rudimentary communication before
they form words. Yeah. And then like getting together around the fire and cooking their
kills for the night and, you know, dancing and singing together and like coming up with things.
that they enjoy singing together and then attributing meaning to those. So you could see, I mean,
it could be like a circular influence where they influence each other, but like you could
see. Well, and you remember the from earlier in the book, right? They talk about the sun
god roaring into and creating matter or creating life out of the matter or whatever. and resonating,
like that's all like music. Or like in Genesis and the word was God, right? There's a lot
of religions that associate spirituality and deities with music and resonances and. Yeah,
I find that topic fascinating. What else you got? So it goes on, I'm skipping ahead a few
pages, but it talks about, so sorry, I was way away from the mic. Perhaps the most powerful
artistic expression of the spiritual crisis at the end of the age of the heroes appears
in the Bible. In the written form, it has come down to us from the story of Job. It is one
of the later texts of the Old Testament. but in its origins it is one of the older parts.
Job was a good man, yet he lost all his money. His sons and daughters died. Left all alone,
he was covered with a plague of boils. Meanwhile, the wicked prospered. The story of Job is remembered
today, not because he is a great leader or doer of great deeds. but because he was the first
human being ever to think a very important and deeply true thought, life is unfair. Hercules
has been part of the sport of the gods, but it was Job who cried out to the heavens in
defiance. Unlike Hercules, Job had the language to do this. Today we take it for granted that
we have enough mental maneuverability to choose what to think about.
which was the great achievement of this age, such maneuverability would not have been possible.
Language enables us to distance ourselves from the world. It helps us to withdraw from what
is physically present and can enable us to break down experience, whether present or not, into
bits we can manipulate. To some degree, we can put experience into order as we wish. Yeah.
Yeah, that's a great way to describe language. You know, we do categorization and classification.
We assign words to ideas. We further use those words to further refine those ideas and concepts
and learn distinctions between things and learn relationships between things. And it's a way
like language is almost the first science, you know? Yeah. See that? Yeah. I mean, as you're
trying to describe things, you're trying to categorize things, you're trying to label things,
that's pretty much a scientific endeavor is to classify and label and catalog. And you
know? So it goes on to say, so language brought to us, brought with it a new form of consciousness.
Before Job felt that everything that happened to them was meant to happen to them. that there
was a divine purpose behind everything. They did not, could not question this. Now language
enabled Job to step back. He began to notice the inconsistencies life, that life is unfair.
So- Ain't that the truth sometimes? Yeah. So there's another title or section head called
Music and Mathematics and Language. were invented in the age of the heroes and so too was astronomy,
another achievement attributed to Enoch. The first stone circles not only marked out the
dispositions of the hierarchies of the gods and angels, they marked out the positions of
the stars and planets. Between the lion paws of the Sphinx at Giza, gazing eastward in a
large stone that carries the inscriptions is the this is the splendid place of the first
time the first time or zep tepe was a mysterious phrase the egyptians used to allude to the
beginning of time in their myth mythology zep tepe was the marked by the rising of the primordial
mound out of the waters and the
on it of the Phoenix. By a remarkable feat of reconstruction, which he began while standing
amongst the paws of the thinks, Robert Bouval has managed to determine the date of Zeptepe.
In Egyptian lore, the Phoenix was always arrived to mark the beginning of the New Age. In Egyptian
mythology, the phoenix or Benu bird is the symbol of the Sothic cycle of 1460 years, which is
the time it took the Egyptians 365 day calendar to resynchronize with the beginning of the
yearly cycle. So it went through three and a half of its years. to finally resync every
three and a half-ish years, it would resync with the great cycle. Okay. The synchronizations
of these two cycles on the yearly, or sorry, the synchronization of these two cycles, the
yearly and the Sothec took place in 11,451, 10,081. 7,160, 4,241, and 2781 BC. Baval noticed
immediately that these dates coincided with the commencement of some of these great buildings
projects up and down the Nile. Mmm, that's interesting. Clearly, the starting of this sequence of the
cycles was very important to the ancient Egyptians. Yeah. The Sphinx, therefore, has a very special
place in history. As idealism tells it, it marks that point when after wave upon wave of emanations
from the cosmic mind, solid matter as we know it today was finally formed. That is why it
is perhaps the greatest icon of the ancient world. The laws of physics as we know them
today were only then set in motion. And from that point on the dates can be firmly fixed
because the great clock of the cosmos was finally set in its complex pattern of orbits.
If this late solidification of matter was actually to happen, it would of course invalidate dating
methods such as carbon-14, conventionally used to establish early chronologies. Modern science
makes assumptions in its calculations that ancients did not, namely that natural laws have held
true in all places at all times. That is true. That is a assumption that scientists make is
that the laws of physics as they are now is how they always have been. There are exceptions
to that. Like in the Big Bang model, there's the inflationary period and then the slowdown
and then the like the emergence of dark energy starting to speed things up. And those are
all sort of mysterious things that... If you grant us one wish, we can explain to you the
Big Bang Theory. Right, right. But, like, no, they're just pushing the rules of the universe
breaking back to the beginning. But it's possible that they do change over time. I've heard...
And I'd like to do a deep dive on this myself at some point.
at a, so previously we used to measure the speed of light and there would be all these laboratories
across the world making measurements at different times. And like they would take all the most
precise measurements and average them together to determine the speed of light. But they kept
coming up with different numbers. And so the question is, are their measurements inaccurate?
Does the speed of light change? Based on where you are, where you're moving from? Does it
fluctuate? Does it like go up and down? But that would be a huge thing to discover. It
would be a huge thing to discover, except now we can't. Because to fix the problem, they
created some algorithm. No, they defined the meter
as the distance light travels in a specific amount of time. Now when you measure the speed
of light, the errors are by definition gone out of it because They always erase the inconsistencies
Right What the hell? So it's pretty interesting That's language right there deteriorating our
memory So yeah maybe the speed of light changes and if the speed of light can change maybe
the rules of physics are only, you know, maybe they're different in different pockets of the
universe. Maybe there's waves of, you know, maybe like the polarity of our galactic supercluster
changes every so often and causing different laws of physics. You know, maybe when we switch
from the northern to the southern part of the Milky Way as our
differences and fields and Those well and we're moving at what speed through the galaxy like
we know our solar system is moving. It's not static, right? well Right. That's so we know
that we're thinking about movement is Technically we're not Like in one way we're not moving
but in a whole other way We are right because you can only measure movement with reference
to something else It's all relative. We know that it's, but we know we're within the other
thing that's moving. So we know that there's still an understanding. Right, but like, when
you're trying to figure out how fast a car is moving, you're doing it with respect to the
ground, right? And so you have a reference point of not moving to define your movement by. True.
But when you look out in the universe, everything is moving, and everything is moving different
directions and different ways. And so there's no ground. that you can look at and say, well,
that's not moving. So according to that, I'm moving the speed. We have nothing like that.
No, yeah. No, I understand that. But if you were to go out into it and become part of it,
you would understand. But we do know that the Earth orbits the sun and that the sun orbits
the Milky Way and that the Milky Way and our local cluster are moving. through this, you
know, giant scale. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And moving in ways that like, they still have a hard time
explaining how gravity connects these superstructures over such vast distances. Actually describing
it, yeah. So, yeah, you could do the calculation for like how fast we're moving around the solar
system, but once you get, or how fast the solar system moves around the galaxy, We know how
fast we orbit and we know how fast the sun orbits. But once you get past that, like how do you
measure the speed of the galaxy? Because the galaxy doesn't exactly orbit anything. It's
moving. Yeah. But how do you define which way and how fast in that direction it's moving?
Right. How do you define what it's moving against? Yeah.
Crazy. But yeah, we're moving crazy fast. Yeah, I mean, we're moving. And it's just the fact
that we don't feel it because it's not in our general space. And we are bound to. Right.
Like if someone puts you in a box or in a car and blocks out all the windows and all the
light, and then they get you up to speed, and let's say it has perfect. Perfect acceleration
and it's got like perfect shocks so you don't hear the bump, you don't feel the bump of the
road. Like once you're at a constant speed, you don't feel any bumps, you don't see any,
you don't feel air crossing by, you don't see things out the window. Once you're not accelerating
any longer, there's no way to tell if you're moving or stationary. I would love to do that.
I wanna do that. That experiment? Yeah, that'd be sick. need a car with some like really good
suspension and a super flat road. Yeah, we can find that. And we need the ability to remote
control the car so we can black it out. Or maybe we can do with a limo so somebody can close
off the back of it. I guess you wouldn't want you to shut off all light from the outside.
You need a Tesla. You need to be at a Tesla track. With a Tesla car. Someone who's got
a Tesla. Black out all your windows and make it take you for a ride. No, don't do that.
At least don't tell them we told you to do that. Anyway, I'm going to finish out this chapter,
and then we can spitball a bit at the end. But this will finish out chapter eight. Cool. We
will see later on. I'll start that over. We will see later that, according to esoteric
doctrine, not only was matter precipitated out of mind a short while ago, but that it exists
only for a brief interval. It will dissolve again in just over 9,000 years. But when the
sun rises again to meet the gaze of the Sphinx and the constellation of Leo and the teachings
of the secret societies, we live on a small island of matter and a vast ocean of ideas.
and imagination.
Dang, that is an interesting idea. Like what if this process he's talking about is something
that happens and that things like kind of collapse and then.
And then what, do you materialize? Does that happen to the whole universe at the same time?
Like, hmm. Or maybe this. Because couldn't we, in theory, point our telescopes out at some,
you know, world and watch it essentially dissolve? Not if, if what we're actually learning, so
right, like, We, so above, or as above, so below, right? Like that idea, that could be an infinite
scale, in the sense of like, as above in our heaven, so below on our physical plane. As
above in a higher dimension than that, so below on that, that higher universal reality. So
it all affects each other
and that itself has its own 12 character astrological sign or its own like, you know, cycle that
it goes through, then what we attribute as certain things and they might be passed on from previous
generations, right? There is a time when you could cross past those, like that was the idea
of these spirit worlds, these other dimensions. like those all still having an effect, like
that it has its own cycle and it might not be like symbol or like physically like seeable
or like knowable, but it still affects us. Like if there's other, because that's like the idea
of the solar system and the gods of the solar system being less than the gods, the higher
gods, like this hierarchy of gods. Like the universe is dictated by a more spiritual realm
that doesn't physically manifest on our plane, but it still affects it. And we are specifically
like affected by how our universe interacts with that. So it changes based on what's happening
to this other realm and we are changed by what's happening there. There's still this hierarchy.
Right. But he's actually making the claim that the laws of physics, as we know them, have
only been that way for like 9,000 years or 13,000 years. Well, there's no way to prove him wrong.
Right, because it's essentially the same argument as Young Earth creationists, where they say,
you know, God created the Earth. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Six thousand, whatever, nine thousand,
I forget what their timeline is, say six thousand years ago. I think it was six thousand some
years, yeah. And that... All this quote-unquote evidence is just there to test our faith. It's
just set up that way so that it follows these crazy rules that are discoverable, and it's
all apparently a test of faith. Yeah. Which... I call... You call BS on that? I call BS on
that. That doesn't seem like the nature of a divine creator. Well, I will say within this
story itself, within the Secret History, they talk about from the beginning, like, Earth
being its own spiritual essence. So, like, the idea of Earth was always there. It's just once
the physical aspects of reality came into be, it then had turned into a physical Earth. And,
like, spirits were attached to that. There were the gods of the solar system and the birth
of the Earth out of the Sun, and, like, all these things happened. putting his own best
understanding of it on there, you know? Yeah, I can see that too. Because he spent more time
in these spiritual realms of study than in scientific realms of study, he's done his best to try
and convey it. But what if it's more that, kind of like the Chris Bledsoe claim that what we're
actually approaching is just a time in which and other like new agey claims that what we're
approaching is a time in which you can
interact with the spiritual realms more. You can maybe more directly experience them but
that would more easily but that doesn't necessarily mean that matter is going to dissipate. No,
no, but it could mean that eventually we get to a point or an age where you are only the
spiritual thing that doesn't have any material attribute. like physical attributes to the
world around you, and that it could eventually cycle back down to a point where humans or
some kind of being is brought back down, and that could just cycle, inevitably, and maybe
we don't look like us again in the next epoch, or whatever it might be, but our spirits have
been held, you know, like we go through these fluctuations of being spiritual beings that
are just purely our spirit, we go back down into a more physical world and it's like just
this elevation and that there are this cycle of it. That just sounds like a life cycle.
Like, you know, like that just sounds like once you die, like you're now in the spiritual realm.
Yeah, yeah, no, exactly. It doesn't have to be like everybody all at once, maybe. And that
leads into more of the time is not an issue in this. But he's essentially claiming a variation
on that young earth creationism. He's saying that the physical world came to be that 13,000
years ago, which means it was all set up in a way that made it look like dinosaurs existed,
but they never actually did. Because they're too old. Or that our carbon dating technologies
are all wrong and everything, including the dinosaurs, happened within the last 13,000
years, which is also... Or that things happened without us recording them and that when we
came down, we didn't, you know, like there was things that happened that were, and like, I
don't know, I don't know. It's just like, there was like a physical form of us. These are the
points where I come to odds with the book because he starts making like... physics claims. He
starts making scientific claims and... Yeah, yeah. Of course, like, this is not a scientific,
not like scientific handbook, but like the dates we were talking about before, like the 11,451,
like the that claim for being the date of the Sothic yearly cycle and all that, the great
year of 25,920 years long. Like those things were like... We talked about it being like
a...
Just a way, I can't remember exactly the point you made him on that, but. Yeah, I just think
it's more likely that the Sphinx is pointing to the date it was built or to a date something
crazy happened to the world. Not necessarily to the date that matter became in existence.
Right, yeah. You know? That they'd experience specifically, yeah. Like, I think it's pretty
clear that this world has existed for billions of years. Like, I think enough science has
been done. Like, I think science is useful and does inform us about the world. So, I think
his telling of this, I think it makes more sense to try and find a metaphoric interpretation
of it. in this aspect because it doesn't make sense to me. Like this is where, obviously
he warned us earlier on the book, like you're not gonna believe this if you look at it through
a scientific lens. And that's exactly one of those points where he's correct because yeah,
I'm not ready to buy that the entire matter has only existed for 13,000 years. Yeah, I
mean, I think that's if you're trying to find a material way to like, think of the past,
like there's no way to like, bring it back or to like remake it. So what's the point of remembering
the science of it if you don't remember the feeling of it? It's like the same way of like
the memory, you know, like, if you can only use language to describe it, you're not going
to get to the memory, you're just going to change it and you're going to manipulate it to be
the way you wanted it to be. But if you fully remember it in the imagery and the feeling
and the actual visceral parts of it, it's all metaphorical. But it brings about the ideas
more viscerally to the reader. Yeah. I would just challenge him and say maybe he's missing
the idea that. Maybe he's trying to interject. There are cycles of civilization, and what
he's attributing to the start of matter in all of material reality is actually just pointing
at when humanity had a hard reset. Had a major reset, yeah. But it could be also that the
reset brought about such a... fundamental change in our consciousness too, right? Yeah, in a
way it is the beginning of our history in a sense. Yeah, but it's all metaphorical in all
the way he puts the stories to the dates for sure. The historical stories and different
dates, like that's reaching a bit, but... Yeah, but I still enjoy the thought to put in my
head and the concepts. The imagery is fantastic. brings it up in the mind is great. We are way
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