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I'm Drew. And I'm Dean. And I got stumbled up there a bit on our intro because I was thinking
as I was saying those words of how we're gonna kind of touch on a lot of those different things
all in this episode. Oh, yeah. Like every word I was reading. That's funny. I spaced out for
a second while you were reading that. And I was just thinking how happy I was to have the
music intro, because it was getting my mind off the stupid Wizard of Oz song that's been
stuck in my head all day. Well, now you brought it up, so you got to sing it. I don't know.
I can't sing it. I'm not a singer, guys. That's why I make beats, so I can stay on the others.
Well, now I'm in front of a microphone. But not for singing. But it's funny too, the song,
I mistook life for truth. I just love that. Such a great intro song to this. I don't know
if we've talked about it on the podcast yet. I think we've pointed out that lyric before.
Yeah, I love it. Every time we get let in by it, I think about it. That is a local artist
here in Sacramento who I actually went to elementary school with him. Did you actually? Yeah, Stevie.
We went to. elementary school together and all the way up through sixth grade it was a Catholic
school. Then I didn't see him again for years until high school.
And somehow we reconnected even after high school years later after still not hanging out. But
he got into music and I had started a studio and we just, our paths crossed. And yeah, so
this was actually one of his songs that he had already written. And he had allowed us to sample
it for one of our Soul Food tracks. Yeah, I didn't know you knew him in elementary school.
That's fascinating. But yeah, I didn't know that was his original. That was a song that
he had already gotten recorded before and you guys just sampled it. Yeah, I think he started.
I thought he actually recorded that with you guys. At our elementary at like third grade
is when I met him. Oh, okay. Good old. Which I remember because he was the new kid that
year and he beat me in the spelling contest. No way. It came down to me and him. I was like
freaking new guy. Got me.
So as you guys have seen by the title, we hinted at it in a previous episode. Well, we kind
of did more than hint at it. We did a whole segment talking about that initial experience
that they had. Briefly, yeah. But yeah, and gave a little bit of my initial thoughts on
it. Yeah, so we're talking about Chris Bledsoe and his encounters and the crazy. Events that
have happened with him and his family after the years currently So I have been attempting
my homework or about halfway through that Podcast. Oh, yeah, the one on Danny Jones, right? Yeah,
and then I decided well since you're listening to the podcast and other stuff I just got his
book and I'm listening to his book and I wound up three hours short So
But it was already not a super long book in the first place, maybe an eight hour book.
So that's like a good third of it. So I definitely could be missing some important revelations
from the end of the story. Yeah, but I mean, he does talk about a lot of that stuff on the
podcast too. So maybe we can fill it in together. Yeah, cool. But it definitely has changed my
perspective. I mean, you guys, anyone who, any of you who heard that last episode where dedicated
a segment to the story. I
was given out a lot of like, I mean, I don't wanna hang my hat on any one thing. Yeah. And
that's still true, but like, it was just cause I hadn't looked into him yet, so I'm too wary
to like say anything like, too positive or negative, I get like for or against it, because I just
didn't know enough. Right, you just didn't know, yeah. But how do you feel now? What is your
general, like, before we start in, like, where's your head at? Before we start in, um...
Oh, his like, it's probably just the way you have to like word sentences and phrases when
you write a book, but it sounds very, when you sit there and the book is like not, but almost
like a partial autobiography, you know? And so like it sounds a little conceited. I did
this and I did that and my life was like this. You know? As he's going through all the intro
chapters, I'm not realizing like all the foundation he's laying. I just think he's just telling
us a bunch of anecdotes from his childhood just because... That they don't really correlate.
He wanted to talk about himself. So at the first I kind of was like, okay, I don't know yet.
And then he got into the encounter and the details of that were real. You did a really good job
of recapping that because it was all pretty close to what you had described to me. And
then... um as he keeps going and he starts describing all the different ways that it basically changed
his life right well at first destroyed his life yeah the first five years is what he says is
like i can't remember the phrase he used but it was like i don't i think it's like shit
i can't remember he does he says a certain phrase about it but anyway yeah the first five years
were like hell to them Yeah. It's because they didn't know, they didn't talk to each other.
And anyway, we'll get into all the details about it. But like him recounting all that and recounting
things that he clearly wouldn't want to recount just out of keeping personal matters to yourself,
you know? Right. It started to open me up to his message more. And then later on he starts
once he finally starts getting connected with people in the real like UFO In the government
and all that right? I really like the government people like That does not make me trust him
more if anything it makes me trust him less gives him a little bit of a red flag With that
stuff. Yeah. Well, yeah, just cuz the government has reasons to like push narratives around
the topic Whereas, you know, a private citizen just talking about a story doesn't necessarily,
I mean, maybe like they can have their own sorts of motives and stuff, but that's the type of
stuff I had been being wary about. Right. So anyway, no, the people he encountered that
really like, like kicked him up a couple of notches is he was actually one of his main
people he spent time with was Diana Posolka. I was going to say, yeah. Yep. and her quote
unquote Tyler Durden, which is Timothy Taylor. Right. He's the NASA guy, right? He's the NASA
guy. And he connects with him through Diana, right? And then there's the other NASA guy,
Hal. Yeah, originally when I first listened to it, I had told you it was Hal Putoff, but
it was actually Hal. I don't know his last name. Did you get it? I did have it somewhere. I
think I texted it to you. But yeah, it was a Hal. name, Pavanmayer, how is it? How Pavanmayer
and he's like a really well-known NASA official. He's like some sort of super genius supposedly
that was like- Yeah, according to Chris's story, he was one of the first people involved in
NASA. Yeah, he even like worked- He was like in that first generation of scientists recruited.
Who's the Nazi scientist? I'm just blanking on his name. Oh, the one who ran NASA? The
one who came over from paperclip? Why am I blanking? We're both blanking. I'm too tired tonight.
I know. Remember stuff.
Here we go. Wernher von Braun. Sorry, I don't know why I blanked. I've heard that name, and
I know that name very well. But Wernher, he was like, was probably an intern early on.
He was born in 1939. I was just listening to Ryan Bledsoe's podcast with Danny Jones that
he did after Chris was on. And they talked about it a little bit more. So Wernher von Braun
wasn't, but the guy Hal Pavenmeyer was born in 1939. So he was born and he was supposedly
17 years old when he had an internship with NASA because he was like this super genius
kid. Yeah, that was like in the 50s there, which is exactly when he said he started. And also
he worked with J. Allen Hynek and was a part of the operation to kind of debunk a lot of
the UFO stuff.
they told the whole story of him coming into their lives, it was him to kind of discredit
them. He came in as kind of like this NASA official that, at least as far as what Ryan was saying
and what Chris was saying, he didn't let on or give him any information on what he knew
or what he was really there for. It was more of like just asking questions. Yeah. But he
was like nice and kind with them, which is like, yeah, they needed that. Anyway, before we get
ahead of ourselves in the story, we should probably retell the incident. Let's retell what we can
out of memory of the incident and the following events. So if you've already heard this on
the last episode, where we basically went a whole half hour on it, and you don't want to
hear it again, you can use the chapters to skip to the next. We might actually give a little
bit more detail, because I've got a little bit deeper into it. So we might get a little bit
more detail if you're not willing to go listen to it. Identical, and he won't have me just
sitting there being like, what the hell, every two minutes about it. So yeah, basically the
initial incident was January 8th, 2007. And the way Chris tells it is this time in his
life was tumultuous. He had Crohn's disease, which had... you know, led to him selling his
business and... Well, let me back up because I did the book. So, yeah, give me some more.
He actually gives you like context for his life. OK, let's hear that then. So, he actually has
had multiple like near death experiences in his life. Yeah. He was, one time he was electrocuted,
one time he was caught on fire, one time he like fell from a construction site and got
like skewered. Impaled. Um, he got shot in the back with a shotgun. He got shot with a, yeah,
with birdshot when he was eight by another eight year old kid. I know that one. That was the
only one I knew about. And he still has pellets, some of the birdshot in him. So he like sets
off metal detectors anytime he goes through them. That's so cool. Yeah, he says slowly
over time they have been coming out over the years. Like a pimple. He can always feel when
one's starting to surface. But apparently for his little eight-year-old body, that thing
went in and a bunch of it got lodged between his heart and his spine. And so it was basically
inoperable. They could not. Otherwise you're doing more damage. Yeah, they couldn't go in
there and get that stuff because he was alive. So small too. they left it in. Yeah. So how
many is that? That's four or five near-death experiences? That's like four times he almost
died. And then his first wife. I didn't even know he had a first wife. Yeah, he had a first
wife. He married his high school sweetheart and they were like head over heels. And he
was like traveling a lot for his construction work. He had to go like work out of town while
she would stay in town. He said there's this one weekend where he's driving back in town
to like go to a party with her and spend the weekend with her And so he gets to the party
and he no one has seen him yet, but he sees her Sitting and talking and like engaging in
a conversation with like her ex And then he started getting these feelings willing up inside
him. And so he left left the party and he drives away and then he pulls off and he stops and
he thinks and he's like there's nothing that I saw there that is any indication that anything
was happening. This is all in my head. I need to give her the benefit of the doubt. I'm going
to go back to that party and not just ruin the night. So in his town, there is this dead man's
curve where you need to go like 30 miles an hour or else you're flying off the road. Right.
and multiple people had died there over the years. All small towns had one like that? Yeah,
so he's re-approaching that dead man's curve, and as he's coming to it, he sees a car had
gone off and crashed. And so he goes out there, and he finds the person that got flung from
the car and tells the person who lives on the property right near that to call. I'm sure
they're used to it by this point. And he's like trying to help the person and then he's realizing
like they're dead And then he looks at the car again, and then he realizes it's his wife's
car And then he realizes that's his wife that's in his arms. He didn't recognize her because
she was so mangled Shit And so his first wife died in his arms That's traumatic. Yeah So
he's had a time of like heartbreak, a ton of like physical pain. Yeah. He's had the types
of things that can like set you up to be not just your average human, right? Like. Yeah,
you're not gonna have the same psychological makeup anymore. But also in other places and
like paranormal and conscious phenomena and stuff. It's those types of events that can
like trigger like, that would change the way your brain wires and they can like essentially
like wake up these parts of your brain. And a lot of times people who go through trauma
like that can have more sensitivity to like psych if. stuff like that, but he never thought
he had anything like that. But so interesting. Yeah. So, okay. So yeah. And then, and then
the bad times leading up to the event, which was that, that he is family who had been, had
been doing really well, they had this big construction company that was super successful and they're
making all this money. Living in a million dollar house with a pool and all these things described.
And like they had a set of, you know, a way of life that was. But he had never taken business
school. And so he wasn't necessarily the best at managing the finances. He wasn't hiring
people to handle work for him. He was overburdened. His Crohn's was getting worse and worse and
worse. And we're at the beginning of a financial crisis. This was leading up to 9-11. No, I
know. Oh, yeah, yeah. But. It wasn't too long after that. This is the beginnings of that
time period where he's a construction worker. He's selling a lot of these houses that a lot
of these bankers are short selling or doing what they're doing financially behind the scenes.
Right, right. And he wasn't capable of handling all that. So because of the financial situation
of his company, And because he was having such a hard time keeping up with it because of his
Crohn's, he said his Crohn's was like making him take like 30 trips to the bathroom a day.
Right. And he had to take his medicine every day, otherwise it would just like be out of
control. Mm-hmm. It was just debilitating. And it's so painful for him. And he could barely
like function. So yeah, that's like where. And then 9-11 happened. And that. put a big, there
was like a sort of damper on the economy there, especially in their town where it was kind
of a military town and so people weren't necessarily trying to settle down and like buy houses right
then when you know the military is getting spun up and sent around the world like people aren't
you know. Settling yeah, exactly I know what you mean. They're living on base and then they're
being sent somewhere else yeah. Right so there's less military people buying houses in that
community which was kind of like. Their bread and butter. He goes to sell his company, and
then the person he sells his company to ends up doing a bunch of underhanded stuff to even
screw him over a little more. And he basically comes out of it with barely any money. He ends
up broke and takes a bunch of side jobs and stuff. And- gets back into construction and
then comes the, what was the original thing was in 2007? 2007, yeah. So it was beginning
of 2007, it was January 8th. So yeah, that leads us perfectly into it. You know, January 8th,
2007, he talks about some, like his father's construction crew or whatever, had just...
you know, sold the big job or whatever. And he had a few guys that were going to pick up
a check from the developer or whoever was going to be buying. And so they come and, and bring
him his, you know, dad's last check. And, you know, they go, and he, he cuts them checks
and all this and they're like, Hey, take his vision. So he's like, all right, you know,
and his son is also a part of this crew, I'm assuming. Yeah. His son, Chris is Chris Jr.
His son was like at his like senior or junior year of high school right then. Yeah, 17 or
18 at the time. And he, Chris feels like guilty because he feels like he's not giving his son
a chance to like graduate and that this event basically like ruined his future. And anyway,
he ended up like, that was his first time he spent like the whole summer like doing framing
with them that summer. that property and then when they finish that job anyway he ended up
like going on to have a career being a framer being a construction worker got it yeah but
yeah so he takes a few of their guys I don't know I can't remember how many I think it was
two or three of the workers plus Chris Jr. two others two others plus Chris Jr. right and
then him so there's four of them yeah and he takes some And the way that he describes it
is they go to this kind of dead end area that kind of butts the you know is Parallel to the
river and that's where they kind of like park and get out and go fishing Yeah, this is a
little hike from where they park right where they fish, but it's not too far, right? But
it's on this like dead end kind of cold It's like a cold attack and then they get off and
I don't know if there's houses I think it's like an actual like end of a road type of a
dead end Not like it's not like a roar. It's Or it's not like a inhabited area, really.
It's more of a rural area. It's rural, yes. And that detail comes up later. Yeah. So they
get all their fishing gear out, and they start building a little fire or something. And then
they start fishing. And Chris, immediately, he had no real intentions of fishing. He's
having hard times. And he just wants to take these guys out for a good time. And he's not
spending some money. He is at. his lowest point he's been at. Breaking point, really. Up to
that point so far in his life. Yeah. He's happy that he's got a day where he's like, or at
least enough time that he can be out here. The sun, a couple guys. And the Crohn's is allowing
him to be out there. Yeah. But all he's thinking about is that they finish that job. He has
no other work lined up. No job prospects. His son is like just. Like he may have ruined his
son's future and yeah, and this is all happening in his head, right? Yeah, not something that
he's sharing with people No, yeah like this is why he wanted to leave them is because he's
the stress of all this and he just wants to go like sit somewhere Alone and like watch
the water and like just be in his own bubble. Okay Yeah, so he goes off and kind of meanders
off down the road and it kind of up the river aways and then Finds himself going up this
hill Which he doesn't really describe it as a hill, but it is up. Like you have to go up
to get to this plateau or this kind of prairie looking thing area. And the way he describes
it is he sees what looks like two suns. Well, at first he sees a light. And he sees the sun.
Right, well he sees what looks like the sun before he even sees the light itself of the
sun. The first time he sees it, he thinks it's the sun though. No, right. And then he realizes
there's multiple. The size and the shape and the color, it is, yeah. And then he says, because
it goes up and down on the way up that hill. So it's kind of coming in and out of view.
As you go down and back up, yeah, it comes in and out of view. But then he notices that it's
coming in and out of view in an unnatural way, that the sun wouldn't. Right, it's not like
a steady right there. And then by the time he gets back up to the top of the hill, then he
sees two. And there's actually more than two. Right. So in his head, he's thinking, this
can't be the sun. There's not more than one sun. And initially, when he first saw it, he
kind of backs away and starts ducking and was hiding in these tall reeds to try to disguise
himself. He kind of jumps down, back down that hill a little bit to get down. So he's like,
the hill is giving him cover because they're like out over on the other side of it. Yeah,
he doesn't want them to see it, whatever it may be. Yeah. Right. And he immediately is
just like stricken with fear and doesn't really know what to do. And he's still kind of like
staring there, looking at it. And he's kind of just kind of frozen is what he remembers
feeling like. And but then he has the thought of like, I need to like you know, starts to
start going like, is this an invasion? Like he starts realizing that these 40 foot wide
orbs that he's seeing are very close to him and there's multiple of them and they're right
here in front of him. And he starts fearing for what this might mean. Well, he's fearing
for his boy. Right, of course. He wants to go meet up with his boy and make sure that Junior
is doing okay. Yeah, because initially he's thinking like, this is something serious and
we need to, I need to go. check on these guys. And he talks about it a little bit later on
in the podcast, but he talks about it only seeming like 45 minutes maybe that he's been gone at
this point. Well, he had only, he said in the book, no matter how depressed he was, he wasn't
going to leave his son alone out in the wilderness for more than an hour at a time anyway. So
he was he only intended to walk and sit for a little bit and then come back. And then he
thought he did. only been maybe, yeah, that 45. Right, like he had this internal time clock.
I will be back at this time. I'm going to go back now. And if he's sitting there watching
these things, thinking that he's not being seen, and then he comes to the realization, oh shit,
I should go check on my son, or I need to go check on my son. And then he kind of makes
his way down the hill, right? And back towards the campfire where the guys now, it's dark,
they got there when it was still light out. That's why he saw the sun is the kind of a
setting sun. Right. It's dark now and the guys are kind of scrambling and freaking out and
then he says the campfire is kind of dim now. It's not like full blown like it was when they
left. And Chris Jr is nowhere to be found. And they had burned through all the fuel they had
gathered, all the other firewood. Oh, yeah. So it wasn't just like. it was a fresh fire
that just had gone out and they still had something that stoke it. No, it's not like they were
just neglecting it. They burned through all the stuff they had collected. They were keeping
it going for as long as they could. Right. Yeah. And so he was kind of confused and he didn't
really think about it at the time because he had other things on his mind, obviously. But
the guys are just like, where the hell have you been? He's like, what do you mean? Where's
Chris? And he's like, Chris went to go look for you. I don't remember if they said that
specifically. But they were like, Chris went to go look for you. And. I think they pointed
in a direction and then he was like, all right, because that's like where, initially he had
gone that direction, but still made his way back in a different direction without being
seen because it's pretty wooded and rural area, so rural area. So it's like, so he goes off
in the direction of like the cul-de-sac, I believe is the direction. But it's actually across
the road into like a thick wooded area. Mm-hmm and the way he describes it is where he actually
found Chris jr Was like hiding under a pile of like brush that I think what's up Happens
at that point is he starts seeing the orbs again Yeah, and that's right. That's right. He's
like tracking them and he's like at the same time wondering where Chris is and Then he hears
like a very faint voice saying dad Yeah, that details left out in the YouTube interview.
So he hears it, and he kind of goes that direction to find out what it was, because he probably
didn't fully make it out. But he, like, phew. Yeah, so then that's when he meets up with
Chris, and he sees how terrified he is. And he's just like shaking. He's just shaking.
He's like ducked into plants to hide. He saw those things too, and they terrified the crap
out of him. Yeah, so what he described Chris's experience, and he didn't really go into much
of the detail of what Chris, at least in the interview, I don't know if he does in the book.
He spends a lot talking about what Chris went through. So what I know of is Chris saw orbs.
Let's call him Junior. That's what they call him. And it'll distinguish the two. Junior
and Chris. We'll just call Chris and Junior Junior. So Junior was out looking for his dad.
And he starts seeing these orbs and they're moving around at first, but then they get closer
and closer. And then he sees them as eyes, like glowing red eyes, and there's two pairs of
them that are locked onto him. And that's when he becomes frozen and fearful. And I think
that's when he drops to the ground and kind of gets in the fetal position. But he can't
move. He is like incapacitated. He's so terrified and like short of breath that he like... that
when he called for his dad, that was all the strength of his voice he could muster. Yeah,
so maybe give us some more detail from the book because I don't know much more about what Chris
went through. Yeah, well, so Chris, well, there's the whole- Our junior, sorry. Yeah, yeah, junior,
the whole thing is different for him because for him it's just terror. The entire thing
is terror. Yeah. Because he can't find his dad. He's off looking for his dad already. That
sparks the first little bout of terror because his dad's been gone for hours. Then he's seeing
these orbs that he doesn't know what they are. And then they turn into freaking eyes, and
that's some shit out of a freaking horror movie. Absolutely, especially if you don't see a body
attached. So it's just like a shadowy figure or whatever it might be. Right. And then he
gets Chris, and he goes back to the guys, and they end up being like, yo, we got to get the
fuck out of here. Because they're seeing the orbs as well. Right. And I remember from the
interview, they talk about once they're all back together. I don't think they saw them
just yet. No, because it was when they all got back together. Yeah, they start seeing them
once they get back together. And then I think when they're heading back to the car. So when
they start heading back to the car, they kind of see these orbs. And one of them shoots.
They see them up high in the sky. There's like seven or eight of them, I believe, that they're
seeing at this point, up in the sky moving around. And then one of them shoots down and lands.
across the river from them. Yeah, they see them up in the sky, coming together in a single
point, and then breaking off. Yeah. And then one of them, because I think there's They're
approaching that dead man's turn, and there's a freaking orb right there in the road, blocking
their way. And they can't, I don't know, the dead man's turn comes later. But it's blocking.
That's when they've actually gone. Yeah, it's blocking their way out of the fishing area.
Mm-hmm. And the road they're on is the only road without off-roading. Yeah, yeah. They
have to go into the field and kind of cut around it, right? One of the guys they're with knows
the people that live in the house in the field just over here. And so they go over to, they
pull off the road, and they go towards that house. And it's like a camper. It's like a
trailer. And they go up to it. The doors are open. The lights are on. Nobody answers. They
call and yell, and nobody answers. Oh, so they got out of the car and went to the camper?
They get out of the car. Because they were going there for protection to get away from the things?
Well, they're trying to see if those people are there, if they know what the heck is going
on. They think maybe we're being invaded. They think we're being invaded. Yeah. And so like,
They want to know if these people know the news or like, you know, like, but nobody's there.
Nobody's there, but the lights are on, the doors are open. Ooh, that would even, that would
give me a chills. Yeah. And so they eventually, oh, and then on that same property there, they
hear a gunshot off in the distance and they like, they like try and hone in on where it
is and then they hear it again. And they never see who it comes from. And they're like, dude,
we got to get out of here. So they get back in the car, and they go back to the road, and
the freaking thing is still there. Oh, shit. And I forget exactly what happens where it,
oh, yeah, it starts pulling towards them like a game, like a freaking chicken. It starts
coming at them, and then they think it's going to hit them. But it pulls up. And so they start
going. They're like, go. Yeah. And so they're driving home. And one of the guys in the back
is the one who lives the furthest away. And he's like, we decided to take him home first.
Yeah, they were fighting. Supposedly, they were fighting in the car the entire time. So this
actually gives me, because before we get too far away from that, the initial, I did listen
to Ryan Bledsoe's podcast. It's called Bledsoe Said So. Which is a sick name. Which is a good
name for having that name, yeah. For having that last name and using it. Should we have
rhymed something with Glover? I think we thought about it, but I don't know. Glover, your mother.
Glover is harder to rhyme with when it comes to a podcast. I think we tried. Anyway. It's
the only good Glover rhymes. Yeah, give us some. Yeah, we're not as creative when it comes to
that. So if you are, let us know. So yeah, so on Bledsoe says so Ryan and his buddy Nick
talk about they read the transcript from Chris Bledsoe seniors hypnotic regression. Well,
let's not fill that in just yet because they don't know that info until later. Yeah, the
only detail I was going to give is that during the regression he remembers because he, I don't
know, at least this is part of the regression was remembers coming back to the car, like
almost as if his consciousness had came back during that point. And maybe not, maybe that's
not, I'd love to get the transcript to be able to read it myself because I just listened to
them talking about it. But he remembers them arguing in the car. Oh yeah, because when he
comes back. That was one of the details is when he comes back after his like missing time and
he walks off and he comes back He notices because they had parked the truck like facing out towards
where they were gonna be fishing like so that later on I'm gonna kick the lights on if they
need to or something, right? And when he comes back, he realizes the truck has been moved
It's still close, but it's not in the position and they're like exactly where they left it.
Yeah, so he's like Why were they driving the truck? It confused him. Yeah, but anyway, they
were. So this is actually when they were on their way back. They're in the car. They had
all that experience, right? And then on the way back, they're arguing. The two guys are
arguing about who gets to go home to see their wife first. Yes. And he's remembering this
during his regression. He's like, shut up. I got to drive. I'll take both you guys home.
He's like, whoever wins the fight, I'll take you home first, basically. Yeah, so he's like.
We take the biggest guy home. He's the freaking biggest one of us, and he lives the farthest
away, and we have to cut back and track back to take everyone else home after him. But he
wins because he's the biggest, and he's going to beat the shit out of everybody else or something.
That was the only detail from the regression that I wanted to bring. I would say he remembered
that specifically. Right. Trying to decide who needs to go home first. And I believe as they're
driving, they keep encountering the orbs more. They see them flying around. Yeah, in the tree
lines and stuff. And they said, there's one point in the drive where they drive past eight
different cars that are pulled off on the side of the road. And he's like, they're probably
staring at these freaking orbs. Or they've been abducted. Yeah. um, he drops the that guy off
and then they have to go that they had to cross that dead man's bend and then they have to
go back across the dead man's bend again to drop the to get the other guy next and so they
do that but when they do that they encounter the orbs at the bend and after the first guys
already been dropped off they got back yeah And so then they drop off the second guy, and
Junior's like, he is just shaking. He's terrified. He can hear the fear in his voice and stuff.
And he's like, can we not go back home that way? Because that's also they would have to
go back across the bend again to get back to their house. And so he agrees with them, and
they drive the long way around. To get home. And uh. Yeah, you gotta just imagine like a
rural, like, and they're in North Carolina, right? Mm-hmm. A rural North Carolina country
roads, like, there's only a few ways to get anywhere fast. Yeah. Especially if you know,
like, otherwise you're just taking some long road to some other highway to get around. Did
this confuse you when you started hearing this story too? Because they kept talking about
Fort Bragg. I was like, that's in California. Oh yeah, apparently there's another one there,
right? Yeah. But apparently it's Fort Liberty now, anyway. Oh, okay. Maybe they- And then
he was like, they changed the name to Fort Liberty. No one told me. You just confused the whole
time. Yeah, I was like, what the heck? And then I finally realized it was North Carolina. I
wonder why. Because I was waiting for the part in the story where he moves across country,
and it never came, and then I finally put it together. It was so dense. I did remember them
talking about Fort Bragg, and I was confused at that, because I was like, unless I thought
Fort Bragg here was something else, and it was actually a different name. Fort Bragg here
in California is a tiny little coastal town that's up near the Oregon border, and it's
on the cliffs. Of the ocean it's really beautiful out there. Yeah, but there's was actually an
actual and it's remote So like I could see this all this type of stuff going on there sure
over there But but isn't for brag in North Carolina isn't an actual yeah, it's actually it's an
actual military base. Yeah Anyway, well, let's take our first break and we'll come back. We'll
pick up from when they get back to the house Yeah, it gets pretty crazy then Where's my
mouse? Hello mouse there you are I will see you in a bit. Alright.
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Vesota.
And we're back.
I actually forgot about this part of the scene.
That is one of the first beats Carlo and I made. That's the first beat that we put together
that we actually turned it into a song which is cool. Like that little jazzy outro? That
one didn't make our album but it's got a special place in my heart still. Called Dreamworld.
Yeah. Which is what Chris and Junior are living in. Yeah, dude. I dropped that in, and I was
dropping it in because it was like the next one in line in the rotation to bring back in.
And I dropped it, and I was like, dude, another freaking song title matching up with what we're
talking about. Synchronicities. Can't shake them. So Drew already drank his beer for the
night, so we don't have a beer review. No, and it was just one of my standard. and I'm still
not drinking. I'm about a week and a half into keto now, down seven pounds. Let's go. Yeah.
And let's go. So I can review this La Croix sparkling water beach plum. It's pretty tasty.
Beach plum, huh? Beach plum. Try this. Sandy? If it was authentic, it should be. I like.
Sparkling waters No, that's actually really good You're not about them though. Not you.
Well, I do like some of them LaCroix hasn't been my favorite Yeah, but that actually tasted
like a Capri Sun. Oh Kind of yeah tastes like a I don't know which flavor but tastes like
a Pacific that's what it was the Pacific cooler Capri Sun is what it tastes like to me If you
know you know, yeah What it made me think of as those old clearly Canadian drinks back in
the day. Did you ever have those? I don't think so. Back when mom used to take us to Children's
World, the one off San Juan. Clearly Canadian. There was a coffee shop right next to it. Uh-huh,
I remember the coffee shop. We would go to the coffee shop and then she would get us drinks
and stuff sometimes. And then we just had these bottled, like, I think they were sparkling
waters. Oh, maybe. Clearly Canadians. I don't remember the name of it. I probably did taste
it. Or have them. I don't even know that brand still around. I was real young at the time.
I was back when I was probably like three, four years old. Clearly Canadian sparkling water.
Yep, sparkly water. Nice. Oh, that does look, well, I mean, the bottle that it's, yeah, the
bottle that's behind there is what the old classic bottle looked like. That I remember. Yeah.
That I do remember. That's what sparkly water used to look like. Oh, yeah, there you go.
Yep. I do remember those. Yeah. And I remember it was like the metal tops where when you cracked
it, it would go, and give you a more satisfying opening experience. I don't even know if I
realized I was just drinking. Sparkling water at the time probably not because for me it
was so tasty was like juice. Uh-huh. Uh-huh mama smart though Okay, okay, she would get
those for us all the time. Oh, yeah. Yeah. These are the best all the kids are drinking these
She's always a step ahead of us. Do you yeah?
So where were we? Let's get back into this. So we were at the, getting them home. They
were just about to get home. Yeah. And by the way, obviously, we're going to be doing a much
worse job of portraying all this. Then you can just go listen to Chris and Ryan's episodes
on the Danny Jones. You can listen to Ryan's podcast. Or listen or read their book. His
book, UFO God. What's it called? Bledsoe. Said so. Ah, god, it's so good. Yeah, that is catchy.
And the book, too, is UFO from God, and that's what I've been listening to. So there's all
those sources and I'll link to all of them. So check them out and get it from the source.
This is just going to be two guys talking about it, goodness. We just want to set all this
up so that we can talk about what we think about it. Yeah. Anyway, so they get home and they
think they're pretty much safe, right? Like they go inside, they turn on the news. They
turn on the TV to see if there's any news and there's not. It's just like a normal day. They're
thinking it's like World of World. They're expecting to turn on the TV and be like, yeah, like emergency
broadcasts. We are being invaded by aliens. Right. Because it was just all so vivid and
real and like all happening specifically to them. But they didn't know that. So then. So
Junior is still like just terrified he will not leave his dad's side. Yeah, they say he
goes in, turns on all the lights. Turns on all the lights. All the inside and outside lights.
Shuts the blinds. Even turns on the bathroom lights where they don't have an outside window.
Just to have everything on. They must be able to see anything that happens, basically. And
then they're kind of chilling. And the rest of the family is out of town till the upcoming
weekend. I was going to say, yeah, because it's just the two of them. It's just the two of
them at the house. And then Chris wants to have a smoke. And Junior's like, no, don't. I'm
pleading with him, yeah. Because he's like, well, all right, I won't go outside. I'll just
smoke in here. But he wanted to open the window. Yeah, because they have a sunroom. And Junior's
like, no, no. He had to open the blinds in order to get the window. Because he wanted to, it
was like a sunroom, I guess, was like his study. And he was opening the blinds and to blow the
smoke out of a window because he just had to have his cigarette. And when he opens the blinds,
he sees the glowing. I believe he said he saw an orb again. I think. Orb. I can't remember
if he saw an orb that turned into an entity or if the entity was already there. Yeah, he
saw something. But he saw the seven foot tall entity out the window. Yeah, that's right.
And before, like, and immediately, he was fear stricken. And being a father, he didn't want
to worry his son even further. So he didn't tell Junior that he saw it. So all he does
is just quickly close the blinds and put out a cigarette and go back in with him. But then,
and they live on the property right next to his dad's house, who has a bunch of dog kennels.
And all of a sudden, all the dogs in the dog kennels start barking like crazy. Like, he's
a lot of dogs. Because he grew up on his dad's property there, raising those dogs with his
dad. He knows like, he's heard him his whole life. And he knows like the tones of the dog.
Like, if you have a dog, you know. Like, you can tell the difference between like a fear
bark. and like get out of my territory bark and like you know like this was like a fear
bark yeah and he immediately thought that it that the house was being broken into or their
shed or their garage first he thought it was like a bear or something or and then uh there
was something about the garage It was like they had a shed up next to the house. And he assumed
that the dogs were barking because they've done it before, where if there was somebody messing
around with their stuff, that they would bark and alert. And so because I guess the dad's
out of town too or something, he's like, we need to go check on this and make sure none
of his stuff has gotten stolen. And so they bring their dog, who's been trained hunting
dog, and Junior's like, no, no. But he's like, no, we got to do this. We can't let this happen
to your grandpa's place. And so Junior comes with him and is holding on to him. Because
he doesn't want to go anywhere without him, but he doesn't want to go either. Right. Yeah.
And so they send the dog around to flush out whoever might be on the other side of the thing.
And then they kind of run around the other way, try and see if they can catch anyone. And they
don't catch anyone. Yeah. So yeah, they... And then he sees the dogs are all barking towards
the woods on the side of the property. Right, instead of looking where he initially thought
they would have been looking. Which would be towards the garage in one direction. They're
all pointing the other way. Yeah. Barking that way. Yeah, and so eventually the dog does flesh
something out. And not flesh something out, but something comes up. And at this point,
Chris, senior, thinks... or is following the path that they said they were going to take
to cut off whatever it might be. And he thinks that Junior is right on his tail. Right. And
holding on to him still. He only realizes later that Junior had ran back home. Yeah. I mean,
as soon as things started getting scary, Junior turned around, ran back inside, locked the
door, shut the blinds, turned, you know, kept all the lights on. And Chris is now on his
own out there. And the dog is still coming around. and what he describes as an orb comes at him
through the woods and is... As it approaches, the shape of it changes. Into what he now saw
as eyes. Junior had seen earlier as eyes. These eyes, yeah. That's the first time Chris had
seen the eyes.
And then I think he's got more missing time there. This is when he first sees the little,
the small person, the three foot entity, and he immediately freezes or has some kind of
experience, like missing time experience with it. And then he goes back into the house. I
can't remember if he has that full blown like. quote unquote conversation with it where it
tells it it's not here to hurt them. It's missing time again. Well, I know actually I believe
this is the time where he brings a gun with him because he's an av hunter and he bringing
the gun, once the thing comes at him, he believes that like it's over, like I'm dead, like this
thing's gonna take me and stuff. And he doesn't bring the gun up though. And instead has this
thought of like, what am I doing? Like, I have no chance of surviving this kind of thing.
And he basically surrenders to whatever it is, these eyes, this entity. And he says, I'm sorry.
I know I'm not going to, I won't hurt you like this. And the thing speaks to him. I don't
know if it's verbally or if it's just in his head. And it says, no, you don't understand.
We're here to help. And that's when I believe he has this missing time kind of like, interaction
with this thing. Oh, I want to go back to the car. Mm-hmm. Because on one of the dead man's
turns, One of those occasions? the orb was hovering right where his wife had died. Mm. And he,
like, got this, like, this, like, knowing, understanding of it trying to tell him that it wasn't his
fault. because this whole time in his life, he had thought that his jealousy got his wife
killed. And this was the first time he was able to see it in a new light, which was that this
was a gift to the both of them to be able to spend their last moments together in each other's
arms. Without the what would have been a jealousy, rage-filled meeting. if he had made it back
and then that would have transpired anyways, right? So imagine him making it back to the
party and then having a fight. And then their last moment is them fighting instead of this.
Right. Cause she eventually would have had to drive there and that might have happened no
matter what. Right. It might've been something that was just destined to happen if you believe
in that. Right. Or if it's something that was just going to happen because whatever state
of mind she was in. I mean. I can totally empathize with him seeing it that way though. And I know
that if I was in that position, that's exactly what would be going through my head. That's
a human quality. If I hadn't left and I'd gotten all jealous, I could have been there at the
party, and she would have been there too. And then she wouldn't have had to leave then. And
you spin it to be your fault. Right. Yeah. Yeah, so that's kind of similar to the idea of he's
kind of surrenders to this thing that's in front of him. And I think, you know, as far as what
he makes it seem like. I don't think he gets communication there. The communication comes
on and- Well, that's the communication he does get though, at that moment. All he does, that's
the, is he surrenders to him saying, I won't hurt you basically, or I surrender to you.
Right, right. And then it says, no, you don't understand. We're here to help. And that's
when it kind of ends and he goes back and it goes away. Right. And then the dog starts barking.
The dog comes through. And then it goes away. Right, right. The dog actually finally catches
up. And it goes away. And then he goes back into the house with Chris. It doesn't tell
him anything because he doesn't want to scare him anymore. But they're both. Terrified and
so they actually leave the house and they go sleep in the truck in the middle of a field
in the middle of nowhere Nowhere because they believe because they're too scared to be able
to see around that night at home So crazy and anyway, so that's their first experience They
won first night so Junior's experience is just terror. He starts having nightmares. He starts
like it's bad Chris, he tries to communicate it, but every time he tries to communicate
it to someone, no one believes him, and they don't take him seriously. He's dealing with
the devil, or because it's a very religious time. Also because of the failure of his business,
and his life going downhill, and him losing his mansion with his kids, and ending up back
in this- Back at home with his parents on the land or something. Right, so he's like, he
has been losing his reputation the community.
And that's why he was having such a hard time getting work, is because everyone in the community
didn't trust him. And so everyone thought he had gone crazy. Or he was doing drugs or whatever
it might have been. So they don't believe him. Yeah. And he goes to the church, the church
that he goes to, and starts telling them about it. They tell him that he's got to stop talking
about it. You're talking about demons. You need to get that out of here. Yep. Yeah, yeah, they
initially they believe them they believe it's demons if anything and so Which is kind of
telling in itself like it somewhat seems like they believe him but that That what he's dealing
with is demonic, but if you were if you were if you were religious You know in a town like
that where it's you know, it's very like one religion kind of a mindset. And you start hearing
this person, and if you start believing it, like wouldn't that give you some kind of like,
even if it is demonic as they believe, you start believing it in some way, right? I mean, we're
talking like conservative, southern, unless they're just putting it all on drugs and like
his mindset. The rural area where everyone knows everyone and we're talking like traditional,
like,
No, he's not at the back. They're Pentecostal. They're Pentecostal because it's his wife's
church that he goes to. He grew up in a Baptist church, which he thought was boring. But the
Pentecostals, yeah, they take what he experienced as demons. Everyone else judges him, scrutinizes
him, calls him crazy or a drug addict. And the story just goes out because apparently the
guys that were there too. They go back and talk to those guys and they go over the thing like
they're like, yeah, we saw it all like it this It happened. Yeah, right Yeah But they are
fearful to speak after what happens to him and his family because he's so immediately trying
to like Let people know what just happened like and obviously the day after this something
happens and the world is still the same Unless you're living in an alternate dimension Right?
Where everybody did experience it, but you're the only one who remembers it. Like some kind
of like crazy Mandela effect where everything, like your world just imploded, but now you're
in another world where nobody experienced what you just did. Right. Even though everybody
might have in this other dimension. There's a lot of moments in life that can feel that
way though. Sure. But yeah, so the next day, or the next day in weeks and months and years.
Well, what happens though is in the aftermath of this, his Crohn's is completely disappeared.
Oh yeah. And that's actually like the day, the next day he describes. Oh, there was a, there
was details on the Crohn's too in the book. Oh yeah. Let me hear about it. So it wasn't
just, he wasn't just dealing with Crohn's, which he was dealing with Crohn's. Oh, and this is
the other reason people thought he might've been crazy. So he was dealing with Crohn's
and it was so bad. And his doctor was telling him that, look, if you keep trying, like this
is what convinced him to sell the company. He was like, if you keep doing what you're doing,
like the stress of it is going to kill you. You don't have long left with the progression
of this. With stress added on top of it. Right, and so he's like, I would like you to go see
this psychiatrist. And so he recommends a psychiatrist to him. So he goes to the psychiatrist. Is
this after the events or before? This is before. And the psychiatrist talks to him, blah, and
then prescribes him a bunch of drugs, like three or four different prescriptions. One of them
is lithium. And he keeps upping his doses and stuff. And over the next... few months while
he's on this stuff, he just gets sicker and sicker and sicker until he ends up passing
out. And they rushed him to the hospital and he basically almost died from lithium poisoning.
Oh, that's right. That was one of his NDEs. That was one of them. Yeah. Oh, that's right.
Because the doctor was overprescribing the prescription and actually died of it himself. Yes. That's
right. I do remember that detail. And he was overprescribing. like tens of people he had
killed because he was overprescribing this stuff. Right, right. That's right. They didn't end
up like going and suing the family and stuff because the doctor was dead and his family
could only be harmed by them doing that. So like they let it go, but like he had to now
recover from Crohn's and from lithium poisoning. That's right. Which was a long process for
him and so he's coming out of this like mental fog Which people know about because it's a
small town and right talking So many psychiatrists in the area that just like as adding fuel to
the fire for why his community doesn't believe him So they're just thinking he's the he's
the odd man the black sheep in the community. That's like having all these Yeah, bad things
happen just a fuck up and everything in his life He touches, he destroys, he's got drug
problems. Because the business was his father's too before, but then his father retires and
he takes it over and that's when it starts going downhill. So everybody's looking at him like,
you fucked it all up and your family was living so good. And that business was providing for
jobs and the economy there in the area. And so people were bitter at him when he ran it
into the ground and ended up selling it to people who ended up fucking it over anyway. Sure.
So the community was pissed at him for multiple reasons. He had lost status, all leading up
to this. So now you got this guy that everyone doesn't quite see the same. And he has this
crazy encounter. And no one will believe him. And then even his wife. She doesn't want to
talk about it. Just won't talk about it, yeah. With him specifically. Yeah, well, she's like,
he really praises her in the book for her patience. He basically is saying she's keeping this balancing
act of keeping their attachment to the church while also showing him patience. But at the
same time, she just doesn't want to talk about it. But she doesn't outright deny it or like.
call him. No. Like, say, like make him feel as if she doesn't believe him. But the way
she acts makes him feel like she doesn't believe him? Of course, because she doesn't want to
talk about it. She doesn't want to, she doesn't want to experience it like the kids do. But
she's not telling him that she doesn't believe him. Right, right. Because, you know, in the
next five years after this happens, the whole family sees these orbs. all over, anywhere,
like everywhere they go. Yeah, well him and Junior had seen him multiple times. Then one
of the other kids, I'm not sure if it was Ryan or their other son, Jeremy, one of them sees
it with him. They've, yeah, so they see him a couple times and any time... a junior experiences
anything, it's just pure terror for him. Yeah, it brings back the trauma from that night.
But the other kid was excited about it. I know Ryan's super excited about it. I don't know
much about Jeremy. Yeah. So then they basically fast forward a couple of years of them being
heavily scrutinized. Yeah, and their kids are being bullied at school by other kids and teachers
and stuff. And then they get, he's like reaches this tipping point where he feels like he has
to talk about it. And he reaches out to MUFON and MUFON gets involved and they end up sending,
at that time they're signing up to do this show, this TV special with Discovery Channel about
UFOs. Yeah. And the idea is that they're going to live and investigate some of their open
cases on the show. Right, right. And they reach out to Chris and they want him to tell his
story as part of the show. And he ends up agreeing to it. But he disagreed for a long time, right?
Wasn't it like? Yeah, well, he was really nervous about even ever talking to anyone before he
even called the MUFON people in the first place. But even then, once he did. The agreement with
his wife is we're not talking about this. And so investigators from MUFON showing up on their
property and asking questions is against their agreement. Yeah, the way he was talking about
it on there, he's like, I finally reached out. And then I was getting calls upon calls upon
calls from people who just wanted to. come and talk to me and be on my property and talk about
it. But he's like, I'm trying to distance my family away, or at least his wife, trying to
keep it away from where they live and stuff. So he was like, no, I can't. He's trying to
be a protective dad. No, I can't. He's got one son who's terrified of all this stuff. He's
got the younger kids at the time. And his community. And then he's got his wife who doesn't want
to engage with it. Right. And anyway, so they had to. It turns out that the documentary with
Discovery is like the worst decision he ever made, because they basically ambush him. So
in the sales pitch of him signing up, they're like, yeah, we want to help you guys. And so
if you guys agree to be a part of this, we will take care of trauma counseling for your children.
And They even promised to buy him lunch the day they were there filming. And that was a
big deal to them because they were so broke that they only ever ate at home or at their
grandparents' place. Oh, cool. Yeah, so the kids were all excited about that. And then
the day comes and someone had called the day before, asked for a hotel recommendation, which
he gives them, and then tells them that they're going to meet at 8.30 in the morning. And so.
the family's all excited, everyone's excited because the way they see it is like, this is
their chance to get their story out in a way that someone is gonna take them seriously and
people are gonna see that they aren't just a bunch of like scam artist liars, right? Not
that they're making money off of this before or something like that. Right, right. And so,
8.30 in the morning comes around, nothing happens. Another like half hour goes by and they finally
get a call from the producers and they're like hey can you come meet us at our hotel which
is not the hotel he recommended and he's like why? They go to this hotel and someone meets
him in the lobby because they never told him like who to meet or who to call or what room
to go to. He's just standing there like well let me in. Someone finds him like Chris, hey
why don't you come with us? And leaves his wife behind. The two of them had gone and left the
kids at home. And so he goes, follows this guy into the room and he walks in and it's a freaking
group of people sitting around, looking at him, and they want him to do a lie detector test.
Right on the spot. And they just ambush him with that. Geez. And- That's his first- That's
his first encounter with these people. Geez. I can't believe that wouldn't have set him
off to- turn around and walk away. But they were looking for help. They were desperate
for help at this point. So he does it. And he's nervous through it because this is like weird,
crazy pressure to be in. And anyway, the whole thing is just, it's bad. And people don't ask
him meaningful questions. They barely come look at his property. They barely ask him for any
of the details. And then they're just out of there. And so as a part of that, though, they
do this. sleep regression, this hypnotic sleep regression. They do, yes. That's part of this
discovery documentary. That's the first regression that he's had, yeah. And that unlocks some
of his memories from that night. And they only, so this is like supposedly an hour and a half
long regression that he goes through. And they only used in the actual documentary, like between
90 seconds and like a few minutes of it. And the clips that they used are like the most,
like. They take it completely out of context supposedly, and they used only the most outlandish
stuff that he says. Because it's audio recorded, this regression. And what I heard is just like
a transcript, like a recording transcript of it. And so the regression itself was basically
about the Cape Fear incident. And so this is that regression? That's that regression. That
Ryan chip? Okay. Yeah. So this might be a perfect time to go over it. Yeah, this is the perfect
time for that. So it's basically about the Cape Fear incident and specifically the time that
he had lost, that he didn't realize he lost, but lost multiple hours. I think it was four
hours that he, that they figured out that he lost between when he left to go and saw them.
And by the time he got back to the group. And I wish I had the transcript in front of me
to read it, but basically the transcript is Talking about when he saw from the time he
saw the light he was frozen in place and Sat there or was taking taken into the craft like
this Craft quote-unquote craft, but the way he describes it in the regression is like a
ball of light that he's being brought into If you think about like a teardrop shaped glass
is what it looked like to him. It was translucent and he could see out into the sky. They brought
him up high into the sky and they were talking to him about how he is, they're here to help
him and that they are basically, they are the... I don't remember how they describe themselves,
but they are the entities that work for the mother, is what they described it as, or told
him. And this mother is basically like the comforter, as told in biblical scriptures and stuff. They
called her, oh, what's the name?
I'll write it down. What did they call her? They called her the lady. The lady. Well, the
lady, but her actual name that they refer to her as. It's like an Egyptian goddess. That's
so interesting, because I put that together. He doesn't actually go into that. Oh, really?
At least at this point in the book, he might save it for later. He just talks about how
the regression helped him recall some stuff and gave him some peace and helped him remember
that these people or that these entities aren't here to hurt him. Yeah, so that's basically,
I really do wish, I was going to try to like take the audio from the podcast and like put
it into a transcript and just read it, but they jump around so much and like, it'll be hard
to do that. Well, we're over for another break, so maybe I can do a quick search and see if
I have any luck. Yeah, we can try. Okay. See, we'll take a break and we'll come back, see
if we have anything for you. Cause I would like to hear that little segment. I would like to.
All right, cool. We shall be back in just a moment for you, but for us depends on how long
this search goes.
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Welcome back. What are you trying to tell me? I was playing the Dean, cause look at the name
of the song. Oh my God. This one's called God bless the child.
Which I'm pretty sure I just stole from the name of the song that I sampled for that because
I never actually put this song out. This was just a beat I made. And I'll be super lazy
with my beat names like that. I'll just name it whatever the song I sampled is called until
it gets to a point where someone is putting lyrics to it and it's taking on its own personality.
So yeah, so during that break, we did do some, uh, some, uh, clever, we did some digging.
We found the, we basically went to the podcast, blood. So said so and pulled little clips and
we basically just got a bunch of tabs open of different spots in the episode that go into
the transcript instead of just all the episode itself. Cause you guys should check it out.
Cause it's like me skipping through it. I'm like, Oh, I want to listen to this whole thing,
but I don't have time right now. We're in the middle of the pub, our own podcast. Because
Ryan does have some interesting insights, you know, and he does want to talk about some stuff
that, you know, maybe it's just not as interesting for this because he just wants to talk about,
you know, his own view on things. But yeah, but it is interesting because he is so close
to the topic. So you should definitely listen to it. Cool. So Oh, and what we realized in
doing this is that we were mixing up two of the podcast episodes because Or what we were
going into it searching for was the part where he was talking about the lady Which have we
even covered that yet? Well, yeah specifically Because during the time when this discovery
documentary happened with the move on group he did a regression and that first regression
that he did was specifically about the Cape Fear incident, the initial incident where he
had lost time. But he had another time later on, years later, where he had an incident where
he met the lady. And if you listen to the podcast on Danny Jones or if you're sure that was a
regression or he just talked about it. Because they did a regression. You're talking about
the lady one. Yeah. So he did a regression because he was asked to by the investigators at the
time. He was asked to do a regression because they thought that there might be details that
were left out. Yeah. But he does consciously remember it and he didn't need. And before
the regression happened, he was telling the story of what happened to him with the lady.
just basically to kind of humor them and to like recall details, small details that maybe
he wouldn't have. So maybe there are details in there that aren't said during, in the book
either. So we'll go with that maybe in another episode. So what we're gonna cover right now
is that first regression. Yeah, this is back in Cape Fear and the, so basically just set
it up a little bit. This is him unlocking his memories of his- The lost time. We're kind
of like a ways into it now. So this is not the whole thing. And then just to set it up also
the way they set it up, which is they don't have the actual audio recording of this. They
just have some sort of like text to speech or speech to text transcript, which isn't perfect
because it was computer generated. And so their reading of it is a little bit weird and broken
up. And then they keep pausing to like have their conversation in the podcast and like
spin off on talking about that And so go listen to the podcast to get which we might do in
between some of these clips, too But oh exactly what we're gonna do is a podcast as well. This
is basically podcast inception. Yeah Podcast inside a podcast here. All right, so this is
the first one I found that I was like, yeah, we need to start here. All right, so here we
go says they've been here since before you were born were they with you in another lifetime
Chris yes before I was born I Didn't have to speak to talk to them there Oh, and we also
didn't set up that like because we're a little ways into this already. This is him already
on He's been abducted. He's on the craft and now he's having a conversation I guess tell
telepathically with a bad way so yeah, I sort of set it up with my crude retelling of the
regression, but this is them a ways in when he's having this telepathic conversation with
the entities and this Michael person that they keep bringing up is the person doing the regression.
Is the person who's regressing him. Yeah. You're in my thoughts. Are you angels? Light. Creation.
I believe in God. Okay, I create you. Yes, they do everything. So you are in angels. Don't
answer that. They just work for creation. Better, my son's fine. Michael, how did the same ones
that you saw in your backyard lay? This was on the TV. This was the line. Wait, how did
the same? Okay, so, dude, that line right there, so it was like, so you're angels? What was
that line? It said, it said, we're creation. We are creation, we are light. Right. And then
it says, so you are in angels, and he said. don't answer, it said don't answer that, we
create you. Right. So basically, it almost sounds like they aren't what is, what might be thought
of as gods, but they are they're on a plane above what we are existing at. Yeah, yeah.
They are still below. They're small G gods. Like they work for creation, is kind of what
they're saying. Yeah, like these are like the gods, like the like the gods in the past where
there's the, you know. They're up on their Mount Olympus here, right? And they are the gods
of this Earth, in a sense. Like, they're the ones responsible of- Yeah, like, they have
god-like power and control here, but, like, they aren't the ones who put the universe into
motion. Right, exactly. Yeah, they're not capital G. Right. Cool, so- We'll go to the next one,
then. Yeah, so this is the next piece. Are all their eyes black? Chris, uh-huh, they look
alike. Michael, to their children, oh, do their children look like their parents? Chris, yes,
sort of. They're glowing, they have protection on. Michael, have they been in your home? Chris,
regularly. Michael, how long have they been there? Chris, since I was little, they're invisible.
Michael, if they're invisible, how do you know when they're in your home? Chris, I just knew,
I wondered what it was. Michael, are they with you now? Chris, uh-huh, they're looking after
me. Michael, are they guardians for your family? Are they looking after your entire family?
Chris, yes, and they have been for generations. I never knew that, I just wondered. Michael,
how does that make you feel? Chris, happy, relaxed, it's like electricity. The hair stands up on
my arms and legs. Michael, were there beings with red eyes? Chris. The children have red
eyes. That's protection. They have a suit on, transparent, glass, learning. They're learning
about us. Lifeguards. They're learning about us. Why are they wearing them? Chris, they
travel everywhere, into different worlds. They wear them until a certain age. Learn to use
their abilities. There's not just one universe. Do! So yeah, pause it there. So what that makes
me think of, just right off the bat, is like, so there are children and adults of these beings,
right? We are somehow, you know, they are not physically here and they don't, like, they're
not- physical, but they are here, right? So that line that they talk about later is the
line that they use in the Discovery documentary is they let the children out to play. And we
know from what I listened to on the podcast and probably in the book that the Bledsoe family
has experienced all of these different poltergeist-like experiences within their home where things
are moving and things are happening all the time. And he has this sense that it's there,
there. Little children gods who think it's funny to mess with humans. Knock stuff over and open
a cabinet and slam it. They can physically have, and these are them learning their power, right?
Because they aren't physical manifestations, right? They can't physically grab the door.
These are powers that they have, and they're learning to use them. And that's that line.
They are the children. We let them out to play. And it's almost like because they, because
Chris has this like, this somehow mental connection to it and is able to actually experience it
and see it for what it is in a sense, like they feel comfortable enough to come out and play
around him and to come out and let him experience them because he can. Right. Like otherwise,
other humans that are, in this material world and are kind of dug in and just believe the
world to be the way it is and that there's no other higher level to experience, they can't
experience it, even if those things are happening around them. Yeah. So I was talking, I was
telling Dad about the episode we're going to do tonight. Oh, yeah. And we started talking
about it a little bit at the office. And he was like, I just don't get, If they're trying
to get a message out, why do they just choose some random dude? What makes this guy so special?
Why?
That's what I don't understand. And that goes back to a lot of people's things, like why
don't they land on the White House long? If they got a freaking message for us, just freaking
make themselves be known and give us the message. But. It seems like Chris is different because
of all of these issues he's gone through. I think it has done something to his body, to
his brain, to his sensitivity. Because of these out of body experiences and near death experiences
and all this activity that's been going on through his life, it has somehow made him sensitive
in a way where he wouldn't necessarily have been otherwise. Right. And he, you know, Has
these experiences with these entities where he cries out to them in these times of like
need and sadness and that's when they come to him in um In a manifestation form where they
actually are presenting themselves in a physical in a somewhat physical way to him Right and
they allow him they get like he gets like they relax their fucking their rules or whatever
it is their invisibility cloak like harry potter and they're like allow you to see them. Yeah,
because the people around him aren't actually seeing it though. Or it's just that he's sensitive
to it, right. Right, because the people immediately around him aren't seeing it. Right, right.
So they are experiencing what he's experiencing through him. I think it depends on the person,
it depends on your interaction to it. I think you have to believe it's possible. Right, and
so the reason his kids and the people immediately around him are now- You have to be open and
sensitive. or you have to be around someone who is sensitive and then they're seeing it
can rub off on you. Exactly, because you got to think about, in a previous episode we talked
about, and just now we'll talk about the idea of nature and nurture, right? So if you're
living in this world and your entire being, since the day you were born and have the ability
to learn things has been taught. that what is real and what is possible. So if from a young
impressionable age, like Emily or Ryan, when they're real young and their dad is talking
about all these things that are esoteric to the rest of society, they're brought up believing
that these things are possible. So it gives them another connection. So they're able to
see these orbs. They're not seeing the entities pop up in front of them. But like Ryan talks
about in some of his episodes, things that are like more than dreams or instances where he
feels like he's lost time. And like, he has like weird experiences like in the house where
even Emily, the youngest, the daughter, has experienced the poltergeist-like activity in
their house where things are moving. And even later, his wife, he, Chris goes and prays saying,
let her experience you. And she is shoved in the back by something while she's in the kitchen
cooking. And she makes the joke of, don't ever pray for me again, because she didn't like
it. Her and Jeremy or Ryan, or her and the little kids talk about it all the time. Had an experience
together. And then she told them not to tell Chris and Junior, because she felt they didn't
need to be worked up more. And so she had been holding on to that. Her own experiences. Her
own experience. Yeah. And she had never actually gotten the entire story from Chris either because
she was like so hesitant Like she's like freaked her out. She wanted to like not talk about
it. It's like I get that feeling It's like when you talk about something you're making it more
real, right? So I understand that more you talk about it. Yeah, she's so rooted in her beliefs,
right? She's right rooted in this in this belief structure that she's grown up with It's hard
to just pry somebody out of that. You have to really be primed and ready to receive this
information, it seems like, the way they're describing their experiences. Like Danny Jones
on their podcast, they went out the night before the podcast aired, and he started seeing salt
orbs. And he could differentiate what he knew to be plains from this orb that looked like
it rose out of the ocean and then vanished back into the horizon. And like, you know. It's
hard to tell because it's at night and they actually took video from the night and show
the images on the podcast. He also said there's also other weird stuff. They have this tree
in their backyard. Oh, yeah. And this tree caught on fire from the inside. And I'll leave a link
to the YouTube video because they actually got that on camera. Yeah. And they had a researcher.
Um, who an ex move on researcher cause he kind of had a falling out with move on after a while,
but not all the like individual investigators. Oh, whoops. We're on a break. No, we're not
on a break yet. You guys won't even hear that came up, but, uh, we just heard our music come
up, but we're not done talking. No, we're not. Go away stranger. Oh, that one works too. What
is happening? All right. So, uh, I lost my train of thought, though. Maybe we should just go.
No, you're talking about the ex-Mufon investigators for the burning tree. Took a sample of the
burning tree and sent it off to some contacts at MIT. And they tested it. And there was no
evidence of a lightning strike. And it was raining the night that the tree caught fire. It wasn't
raining. No, it was. Oh, it was? I thought they said it wasn't raining. I thought, no. I thought
they said that there was no rain in the sky for the days before it. So like lightning could
happen, but there was no obvious sign that it had been, that those conditions were, like
it wasn't cloudy or anything, especially with the video you should have seen. My memory is
telling me it was raining, but maybe I'm wrong. I remember them saying it specifically wasn't
raining at the time. But they said there specifically wasn't any lightning though. Yeah, they definitely
said that, yeah. And just watching the video and we'll show you, go and look at it, pause
and go and look at it. But it's so weird. You see an opening of the tree and then when they
get close and zoom in on it, you see the inside of the tree while the outside is pretty much
intact. Yeah. The tree, and it did this multiple times. You have to step up your video editing
here. Put some actual video in there. At this point, yeah, you should drop the actual video.
Yeah, well, I'll do it. Yeah, no, that would be a perfect time to have the video playing
in the background. If you're going to watch it on YouTube, you'll be able to see the video.
Right, on the podcast, you'll have to click the link. I'll have a snapshot of the burning
tree here. But if you click the link. It's on their YouTube or something. Or not their YouTube.
It's something like their Instagram or something. Yeah, no, it's on their YouTube. Oh, the video
of the burning tree? OK, then that'll be easy. Well, it's on YouTube, yeah. I can clip it
straight off of there then. Yeah, that'll be easy. Anyway, so. That's interesting stuff.
Let's go on to the next clip here.
We played two. There are other universes? Chris, that's what they say. Other dimensions. Michael,
do they come from other universes? Other dimensions? Chris, they can go anywhere through time. Other
dimensions, I promise. Michael, are they talking to you again? Chris, yes. Michael, where is
their home? Chris, no place we know of. A dimension just a second away. where whenever they want
to be here. Michael, why did they come here to this earth? Chris, to learn, to learn balance.
It's almost like a garden to them. Michael, what is it that they balance? Chris, existing
life of all kinds, everything, to measure all details. For eons they've been doing that,
not just here, a lot of places, in the blink of an eye, there, in and out. I'm tired and
I wanna go home. Michael, where's your home, Chris? Chris far away beyond Andromeda. Now
let me just stop you there. I just, I want to give. All right. Yeah. So, so they are in four
hours of missing time. According to this, they flew him beyond Andromeda. So obviously we
are not talking about traveling through space because it's impossible to travel through space
faster than speed light, according to what we know now. We're talking about moving through
super space. We're talking about moving through super space like in Einstein's intuition last
week. Or just warp drive, some sort of warp, some sort of gravitational thing. Because as
long as it's space that you're moving through when you're speeding up, then you are subject
to relativity and time dilation effects and traveling that far, that fast, he would lose
more than four hours. He would lose like decades because he would be beyond the speed of light
at that point. So it must not be moving through space then. How far is Andromeda? It couldn't
be, if that's true, then it couldn't have been that they moved him through space. because
otherwise he wouldn't, he would have experienced more time loss. Right. So it was more of a
point through in and out. Right. Like the capsule. What I'm interested, well, one of the things
I'm interested in is I wonder if his lost time was a combination of what he was doing with
them and another part of it was like maybe some relativity effects. Or. or his body never left
and only his consciousness traveled. Right, right. So if you're talking about something
that is not physical, traveling through space, which we don't know that has an effect on consciousness
the same way it'll affect the body. Yeah. Right? So if your consciousness comes back, See, but
Junior was looking for him. So if his consciousness was gone for four hours, you would think he
would be laying or standing or somewhere. Well, he was laying. His physical body would be still
here on this planet to be found by his son. Yeah, but his son didn't know. Because remember,
he went off in one direction, but ended up where he found where he saw the things was a different
direction. So his son thought he was. Right. But his son did end up going that way, too,
though. I don't know, did he? He did, yeah, because that's where he ended up finding his
son. His son had ended up going that direction, because he couldn't find him in the direction
he saw him originally walk off to. What I remember is his son was found somewhere completely different
from where he had his experience. No, so like, it's hard for me to reconstruct this, because
I don't have like the map of it or anything, but... Let's just paint a picture in our mind.
Let's just say, for instance, left and right. He started off searching left, for instance.
Or when he walked away from the group, he walks to the left. And he goes off that way, and
then he ends up walking back to the right across them, but in a way that they don't see him
do it. So he ends up on the right. And that's where he has his experience. And then when
he comes back.
He comes from the right. He asked them and said, Junior went off looking. And he had already
looked to the left. And then he had gone and looked back to the right. That was my understanding.
Yeah, I don't remember them specifically saying which directions. Yeah, he was close to the
cul-de-sac. The dead end that they had parked that's where they found Chris jr Right, right.
That was where they found you and I remember that not being where that cuz he had to go
up this hill Which right there was the first direction he went Right. I mean, it was all,
we'd have to be able to paint a picture of it and actually walk through it. Because I think,
and they do that on one of their, on their YouTube page. I think they actually show you the area.
Oh, OK. Show you it all. So maybe we'll have to do that. Yeah, we can do some research.
This is probably going to turn into a two-parter talking about this. It's got to, yeah. I mean,
we're, yeah, it's going to have to. And I haven't even finished the book yet. So what I imagine
it being basically is though, like, he went off. And part of the regression, and I think
it's part of this regression, that he talks about like, where is my son? Like, I gotta
get back to my son and they tell him he is safe, we are watching him. And those are the eyes
that Chris Dead Jr. is seeing and they have him frozen in place. And maybe the eyes don't
realize he's having a fear because these, the red eyes, remember from what they're saying,
they're the children who don't know. how to use their power to the fullest. So they're thinking, oh, we're just watching over him
and he's okay, he's laying here, he's fine. And maybe they're communicating that to the beings
that he's on this journey with now. And they don't know what their power is doing to Junior. So Junior's terrified and frozen and doesn't know what to do
because his eyes are staring at him, which the eyes peering at them seems to be the catalyst of the being paralyzed. So that's their power.
The power of their stare is what's keeping him in place and keeping him safe as far as what they're
thinking they're doing for him. So they're like, oh, he's safe. But instead. We're watching him. He's OK. It was just nightmare fuel for him.
Right, but while Chris is up here having this other experience, completely different. He's having this fearful experience down below.
Yeah, so because Chris is essentially, until we further notice when we look at the maps and the diagram. Wherever it was, yeah. To me, it doesn't seem super likely that his body was laying there the whole time.
But maybe that's what happened. But remember, he was laying down. So imagine a person laying down, and they don't even have to necessarily-
In brush. In brush, because he was in these high reeds trying to hide from the craft during this time. So during his experience, his body would have been,
if his consciousness had just left and his body was there, he's laying in this tall brush trying to hide.
So, and this is now at nighttime. So Junior being scared, trying to like look around, he's not necessarily gonna see his father in tall grass that's hiding.
Dude, yeah. So it's a... I'm totally like, it makes sense to me if it would be like an out of body experience
and that actually lines up with other experiencers. So he could have been gone for whoever who knows how long his actual consciousness was gone from his body
But physically his body was only laying there for four hours So when he came back only four hours of time had passed in where his body was
Yeah, which set off the events of everybody freaking out looking for him All right. Let's do this fourth one here And Michael says do they have a family here Chris says it's sad very sad
Michael says, you're still learning now. Used the one I go home. What? I want a use. Oh, oh, oh. I think he must have said there, you still want to go home.
It's just that weird transition. Yeah, it's the transition. So you're still learning now. You still wanna go home.
And Chris says, uh-huh, I want to see my son. Michael, are they ready to let you go home?
Chris, they told me whenever I want, I can always go back home. Michael. How did you get from that place back to the road?
I guess that's referencing the night. I mean, yeah, this is all referencing the night, but yeah. If you watch the documentary, that place will kind of show you
where he went missing. Cause cause they go over that in the dark. Yeah. I remember that anyway. No. So yeah, that then they, they mentioned it.
They're like. He might have been gone for so long, they're like, you want to go back now? You're still learning.
And he's like, I got to get back to my kid. Like he's there and I don't know how long he's been gone.
Yeah. And this is his consciousness outside of his body, supposedly, or in my theory, right? That's like worked up because he doesn't know
how long he's been gone. And that's his consciousness knows that he would never leave his son for much longer than an hour,
even though it's already been four hours. Right. You know? So it's consciousness is not connecting the time.
Right, because I mean, let's say you do get separated from your body, who knows what your experience of time is
at that point anyway. Right, yeah. And that in and of itself could explain the time loss. Because think about it. So like, if there's like a separate soul from your body,
right? and you can like go out and travel the universe and have experiences like as a soul, disconnected from your body.
Yeah. Well, your body's not there with you to take all those things that happen and write them into memory banks in your neurons.
And so when you then get back to your body and you wake up, it's like waking up for a dream where it's really fuzzy.
Because your brain wasn't recording all those neural pathways of the events that happen. So it's not the same sort of accessible memory.
So it may not even be that the memory intentionally wiped per se. It's just your mind, your physical mind cannot put it together.
But this other thing I'm going to show is going to kind of contradict that. That's so interesting. But like, that makes sense of why you would forget those things.
That's the thing that's like, so weird about this to me is like, so why do they have to always mess with our sense of time?
Why do they have to mess with our memory of events and things? Are they really? Or is it just our bodies and our minds trying to?
Well, because like, That is pretty invasive. If we had technology, if I had a technological device that
just got invented, and I could point it at someone and press a button and make that person lose
the next four hours of their life. Or the past four hours of their life. Or their past four hours of their life. Like a little neuralizer from Men in Black.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was thinking the same thing.
That's pretty invasive. Absolutely, yeah. And that could be seen as an act of aggression. Right. Yeah. Who are you to freaking come into my body, my life,
and rearrange my experience of consciousness and reality and existence? That is super invasive. Yeah, and I think we're going to be well,
we're the ones that created you, so suck it up. Yeah, and so the clip you're about to play
is going to basically contradict that in a sense of like, I don't know if the clip is gonna fit. Yeah, so I'm gonna skip forward here from what we've been talking about, okay?
Because later on, this is about four years after the initial encounter, okay? And it was about two years after the initial encounter when the discovery thing happened.
And then they spent another two years. where Discovery kept playing the damn thing every two weeks on rerun. And everyone in their community would see it.
And it just made a mockery of their lives. And so their lives went from bad and bad reputation to worse. Because now, every time the kids go to school,
they're being picked on by their friends and the teachers. Yeah, they're using the content of this documentary
to mock them and stuff. Right. Yeah. And so they just. it just becomes more and more miserable for them.
And then even though his Crohn's is gone, he now starts having arthritis issues. He gets rheumatoid arthritis, and it gets worse and worse and worse and worse and worse.
And then it gets to a point where, and just the point of all the mockery of his family and stuff, and Chris just makes a decision.
He says, I'm done. I'm done. I made this decision right now that I am never going to speak of this to anyone else ever again and our family is just going to move on.
I don't need to convince people. We need to just stop. Yeah. And so he went out into, and what he described in the podcast at this very time that the
book is going to cover, he talks about like, he went out. and threw his hands up and yelled to the sky, the heavens,
basically, and was like, why are you doing this? Why can't I not? Why can't nobody else experience this with me?
My children are now being mocked. And I can take it, but I don't want them to have to deal with the repercussions of what's
happening to me and all these things. And that's where he's at. He yells up to the sky that he's done, that he's not going to participate anymore.
He's not going to. I'm done if you're not going to allow me to show people and have an experience with it. That's the other thing is like, he can almost reliably get,
like, he has these experiences of orbs all the time. And he can have it around other people too.
But any time anyone busts out a camera, like, something happens, the camera breaks, or it doesn't come out, or like,
one thing or another, like, there's never any proof. And no one will ever, like, No one, they're like hiding from everyone except for the Bledsoe's here.
And not only that, but like people who have already made their point of view heard, like his parents that live on the land next to him, they're not allowed to see this either. So anytime
they're out experiencing this thing as a family, the six of them, and they're out experiencing, as soon as his parents walk out and join the rest of the family, they go away.
And as soon as they go back inside or are no longer looking, it comes back and is right in their face again.
Right. So this very night that he decides he's done, he's had enough, he's sleeping in his study because his arthritis is so painful
that he doesn't want to wake up his wife. And so he passes out. And he wakes up to feeling pressure coming off of his hip.
and he basically is being sucked up through the ceiling and up into a craft. And this time he's awake for it,
this time he's conscious for it, this time he knows what's happening. And so he gets pulled into this craft and it's this big dark room that's circular
and it feels familiar to him for some reason. Probably because of that, the previous regression.
Even though it was like a. ball of light that he was in. It wasn't necessarily the same room. But he described it as somewhere familiar,
because he's as if he's been there before. Right. So they fly him somewhere. He says he sees stars whizzing by the ship, which is crazy.
That means he must be going crazy fast. Yeah, we'll just describe it as a ship. We don't know if this thing is technological
or if it's something ethereal. Right. Yeah, I don't know. There's no way to know. A ship is a thing that transports entities,
and that seems to be the function of this. Yeah, it's the easiest to understand. So. Yeah. Yeah, whether or not it's built out of metal and stuff.
Right. Anyway, so they arrive and he thinks he's like, they land in this desert wasteland with caverns
and canyons. And he thinks he's in Utah. Yeah. That's his frame of reference. But he says the lighting is wrong.
It's either too dark for daytime or too bright for nighttime. It's not right. Yeah, it's kind of like a dusky time, but it doesn't make sense.
And then they bring him into this canyon. And that's basically where this portion that I'm going to play from the book picks up.
And this is when he first encounters the lady and remembers it. OK. their bodies glowed ivory yellow like the moon, and it occurred to me that they must wear a kind of cloak to protect my eyes from their brightness.
They must have been inside the orb with me the whole time, escorting me to wherever place we were. All at once, the three of them glided past me down the canyon. Utterly bewildered, I could hardly get myself to move, but they stopped and made a motion for me to follow them.
Curious and afraid to be left alone, I began to walk in their tow. Ahead of us, the canyon walls seemed to wind on and on forever.
I walked behind them for a long time, but felt like the distance of a mile, as on the orb it was totally silent in the canyon. I didn't try to speak, and don't know if I could have if I tried.
I was walking behind them at a steady pace when suddenly, out of the gloomy darkness of the canyon, I saw the wall of a canyon ahead awash in brilliant light.
The light came from behind a left-hand corner in the canyon's winding. Seeing the canyon walls so clearly shocked me.
It looks so much like canyons on Earth. As we approached, I grew more and more impatient to discover what the light source could be
in such a strange, desolate place. The beings continued ahead of me at the same patient pace. Finally, we rounded the corner. The lady was there beaming.
She was the light and the light source. The canyon gleamed around her the same color as her bluish-white aura. and her dress was such a bright white I could hardly look at it.
She was seated on a massive stone-carved throne in a recess in the canyon wall. As the beings led me to her, I watched her. Unmoving, powerful, unspeakably beautiful.
When we approached the front of the throne, the beings gave her a slight bow and turned to walk away, leaving me alone looking up at her. She stood up from the massive throne and hovered over the carved out floor beneath it, never touching the ground.
Just 40 feet away and 20 feet above me, she spoke a parable that took a long time for me to process. When the red star of Regulus aligns, just before dawn in the gaze of the Sphinx,
a new knowledge shall come into the world. I was not sure what that meant. I have come to understand that around Easter 2026,
there will be the end of an old way and the beginning of a new. I felt overcome with a newfound ability to feel others' pain.
as well as an impulse to help them through it. The thoughts and emotions of others seemed vitally, extraordinarily connected to me.
She communicated to me that she could now trust that I was forever committed to sharing what I knew with the world, whatever the cost.
She wanted the world to know and trusted me to deliver as much of this knowledge as I was meant to.
They would help me in the journey and were grateful that I was with them. Cool. So. Yeah. So this is the lady. and prophecies for
For a changing of the age for a new age of Power in the cosmos you know you think of like the Zodiac right the procession of the equinox and like then we're in the age of Pisces now
yeah heading into the age of Aquarius right and And that transition has always been like a fuzzy thing.
It's not like so precise. Right, right. What happens during that time? Because we've only lived in the age of Pisces
in modern history, right? Well, we've been on the dawn, like basically our whole lifetimes. But and basically, there's about 100 to 200 year period.
Like there's a period where like it's, you're kind of in both. You're just in transition. Yeah. You're not clearly all in one or the other.
So if we're, is the- Because it depends on where you draw the dividing lines between the constellations. Right. So whether there's some kind of gradient, right?
Whether you're still partially in this, and you're just still cusping into the gradient. Yeah. And look at the way everything else in nature works.
Transitions are gradual. Yeah. Exactly. A lot of times. So this idea of- the changing of the age doesn't necessarily mean that something's immediately gonna happen, right?
When... what did she call that star? The Regulus. The star of Regulus. The red star of Regulus. Sets over... or rises over the...
The Sphinx. The body of the Sphinx. Yeah. Then the world will change. The new age will... Let's replay that. I want to hear that again.
such a bright white I could hardly see. She spoke a parable that took a long time for me to process. When the red star of Regulus aligns, just before dawn in the gaze of the Sphinx,
a new knowledge shall come into the world. So a new knowledge shall come into the world. It doesn't necessarily talk about the age. Maybe that's when they've decided to like reveal themselves
to us. Right. The knowledge of the fact that these things are real comes down to man. Regulus? Star?
Regulus is the brightest... Alpha, also known as Alpha Leonis, is the brightest object in the constellation Leo, one of the brightest stars in the night sky.
It's a quadruple star system composed of four stars that are organized in two pairs.
of a blue-white main sequence star and its companion which has not yet been directly observed but is probably a white dwarf. The system lies
approximately 79 light-years from the Sun. Regulus is a harbinger of spring in the northern hemisphere and is a harbinger of spring in the norma-
Douglas says that twice. The name of Regulus derived from a Latin word for king reflects an ancient belief in an astrological importance
of the star. So there's multiple pairs, the blue light being the most prominent, but then it talks about the red star of Regulus.
So that might be this hidden star that hasn't been seen yet.
Now I gotta go down the rabbit hole of Regulus mythology.
Little king of the eclipse. All right, well, that's my homework for this week. So later, this lady reveals herself to be hassle.
Also, I skipped over that part. Yeah. So this was not actually the first time he met her and remembered it. This is the first time he got taken up and abducted
and remembered that. Abduction, right. And I mixed up. This was not the night that he screamed. and quit. That was actually like a couple weeks earlier when he decided he was going to quit
that's four months earlier. He said he's quit, he's done, and then that night the lady comes to him. In the description of what happened at his home. At his home, he's outside, right? He's looking up
and He, I don't remember what the catalyst for, for him personally was. That was the night he was yelling, right? Yeah.
And saying he was done. And all of a sudden, um, this wind hits him. And this wind, it was not a windy day. It was not a windy day.
And none of the trees were affected by this wind. It hit him and it was a powerful, mighty wind he describes.
And it knocks him like over as this. Well, he goes, he looks to see what the source of the wind is, and he sees this giant bowl charging at him. Through what he describes as like a black hole, and that's where the wind is coming from.
And then the bowl comes over him, knocks him down, and when he looks up, he sees the lady. Yep. And he describes her just like we just heard, this beautiful white gown.
And I'm listening to this in the car, and I'm like, that's, that's... Hothor, I think, I might have my Egyptian gods wrong,
and that's what was going through my head. I was like, I know that there's one of the Egyptian goddesses that is associated with the bull. So that's exactly where my mind went.
And then during one of our breaks here tonight, Drew tells me, oh, did you get to the part of Hothor?
And I was like, I thought that was just me putting it together. Because if he does spell it out in the book,
I haven't gotten there yet. He talks. I just made that association. I was like, bull, woman, god. Uh, this sounds very Egyptian.
You came to it more naturally. I listened to the podcast where he describes it and where later when he talks about, talks to these experts, like how, um, Pavan Meyer and later Tim Taylor,
there are the ones that, that, that give him the names for these things and like help him to understand what these things mean.
Cause he probably hadn't studied Egyptian mythology. And, um, Diana Pasolka is one of the people that helps him understand the, the,
the imagery. that he's seeing and put it to words because he, him being from North Carolina and not, he doesn't have the words to put to these things.
Are you saying people who live in North Carolina are stupid? No, I'm just saying that they are. I'm sorry to all my listeners out there.
Drew thinks you're all stupid and you can't use words. Good. No, I'm saying that you weren't, you haven't.
been able to, right? So you're in a place where your religion kind of dictates what your knowledge is. Schools aren't going over Egyptian mythology
there at that place. Right, right. It's all locked in their religious point of view. That was our consciousness episode, right?
And in the Secret History, we've been talking about this. Absolutely. It's what you know, what you believe is possible,
what you think are the limits. Like. like in a way whichever thing you believe in a way you're right, because you're defining your own limits of possibility
of what you're willing to consciously observe. And you're putting your own name and imagery
to things that are happening, right? So like something might happen and just like different ancient cultures like we've talked about have the same name
or have the same stories of this fish god or. coming out of the sea to restart civilization.
They're all putting it on their own spin of mythology that they were brought up with. They all have different ways to describe
the same thing happening. It's the same idea. He didn't know that this was Hathor. And have I said this, or was this just during the breaks
that I said this? But this all lines up with the Owaspy, which I've talked about five times now. You mentioned it, I believe, on the podcast, yeah.
In this episode, yeah. I think you mentioned it. I thought it was during a break. But essentially, in Owaspy, they have this organization
of gods who serve the creator. different purposes. And they're, yeah. They have different jobs.
There's like hierarchies and you know, like it all just sounds like a wasp. And it all sounds like Egyptian mythology too.
Yeah. Even just in Egyptian mythology. So that's like the thing about all these topics is like, it's so weird, it's so strange that either like.
I understand people who are just like, that's all a bunch of BS. I'm going to stick to science. You guys are just talking a lot, a lot.
But if you're actually trying to make sense of it, if you actually take some of this stuff somewhat seriously
and you're trying to piece together these puzzle pieces, it feels like there's pieces that belong together
from everyone's mythologies, from everyone's little histories, from. all of these different strange experiences
from all of these paranormal phenomenon. Yeah, they go together in ways that you probably would never be able to intuit because it's such a complicated thing.
Yeah, we're talking about something that's so macro, that's so esoteric and the time scales on which these things are actually happening,
but the times in which they are manifesting on earth are different eras that have different. ways of looking at the world. So if a god were to pop down into today's society,
we would look at it completely different as if then the people of ancient Egypt would have looked at it. Well, we would see it as an extraterrestrial.
Exactly. We would see it as an alien. That's our reference point now. Right. So that's where this kind of like it's starting to like when you just take the pieces that,
the pieces from UFOs and all the different things, sightings that have happened and like You see how strange it is that they're popping in and out of existence and they're like seemingly moving at on on
You know, there was also another ridiculous really Pretty crazy fact about the first meeting he had with uh, we'll call her the lady hothor
uh she Um when she was talking to him um
Well, first she was like, you have to keep talking about this. Like, this is your purpose. This is your purpose.
Like, we need someone like you to spread the word about. Because there's people out there who try and, like,
talk about all this stuff. Like, it's dark and demonic. Like, this is all evil. And I still think there could be a side of it that is just maybe.
There's more than one God, right? There's more than one of these lowercase G-O-D-S. Right, and some of them could be selfish and self-centered.
Just like in the Secret History how Lucifer and Satan were separate, but they had Lucifer being the fallen angel that had different intentions and made love to women
and bore these titans which caused wreaked havoc on earth and capital... Capital G God was basically like, yo, what the hell are you doing? This is not your playground to
just do whatever you want. You're supposed to be guarding and guiding these people into the generations to come. And you've soleed yourself on with the beings. And it was likely because
Lucifer specifically, and this is not to get on the whole tangent back into Secret History, but Lucifer specifically was like this idea of bringing in the material world. So, he had a door into the material world,
being that he was kind of guiding humanity from that proto-human state into a more solid, humanistic form. And all these gods have different things that they do or are supposed to do for
people on earth. So, that gets me right back to their... They're not all this love and light and, you know,
like you were saying, like they're not all, you know. Well, good. Think about it this way. Imagine one scientist, or even, well, still, even all of them
together still don't understand all of biology. We still haven't put together the full complexity
of all the different ways that all the different life forms just here on our planet are connected, and how if you do something to one of them,
exactly how it's going to affect everything else. It is such a complicated, inter-tangled web.
of connection and dependence. Yep. And now you have to zoom out and take the universe. Oh, no, not the universe. The multiverse. Maybe not even just that.
Maybe it's just multiverses and dimensions. And it just goes on forever. Maybe all of those possibilities are all
happening at the same time. Life is everywhere. It's gigantic. And you expect these beings.
who can just appear here whenever they want, come and go and influence the nature of our reality.
You think when they show up and you call them aliens, that you can just put some sort of intent on them.
You can be like, well, they must come from, but you know, all of this skepticism is like,
well, why would they do this? Well, why would they do that? It's Neil deGrasse Tyson. His main argument against aliens is that why would they come here? We're boring.
Right. Why would they come here? Yeah. There's so many planets and stars and galaxies and they would come here just to watch us? That seems pretty self-centered, doesn't it?
Like, bro... What about all our biologists going all over the world? What about all our scientists on the cutting edge of space
exploration? We explore and we catalog and we document and we get involved. And then when we realize we're doing harm,
we sometimes step back and let things go back to the way they're supposed to be. That's exactly how we should look at this.
It looks like this, but of course, it's going to be ultra complicated. Of course, it's going to be such a big story
Like you can't just, you can't just reduce it, you know? When it goes right back to the clips we were listening to
of that initial, that first regression and how they explain like they are here to learn and they are everywhere in the universes to learn.
They're here and there and there and here and in moments notice and they're watching and they're learning. the balance of life, the material balance of life is and what it's all about.
And they're doing their own form of science to figure out how the material world exists, right? Because they are in essence non-material.
They're trying to be... Guide us. The guides of creation, right? Because they don't know what it's going to create.
So they have to fully understand creation in order to... properly guide it and you're making similar mistakes exactly and they they they are sitting there watching it all unfold like
Yes, they can move through time and maybe they can move into the future, but it's always unfolding So whether they're moving a hundred thousand years in the future and and life is still existent
They are still learning what that life how that life balances and how that life continues, right? I'm still skeptical on time travel, but We'll see.
I was just saying, if you're a non-material being that can move within universes, you could probably
have a handle on time. Very possibly. You know? Depending on how it's defined. But it's also hard to understand it.
It's hard to make sense of it and what it might be. I mean, it's definitely, it could happen. And according to relatively.
it does happen if you approach the speed of light. You're time dilating, and when you come back,
it will be a different time for you. Right. So if they are traveling, right? So if they're traveling to all these different places
and time dilation is happening to them, and they're leaving here at one age, and then they leave and come back, it's a totally different age now.
But they can still have- So theoretically, with physics, with relativity, if you travel through space, The speed of light is supposed to be the limit.
But hypothetically, if you could break that while traveling through space, because as you approach
the speed of light, time slows down for you, slows down for you, slows down for you, slows down for you.
So time is just staying still. So if you could crack past C, it's theorized that if it was possible, that maybe you would be traveling backwards in time.
If you were to go faster than the speed of light? Yeah. Right, right, right. which they then say, well, yeah, but it's impossible.
So. OK. But the question then is, let's say you do have a technology where you can travel many multiples
the speed of light, but it's not technically through space. So you're not breaking relativity. You're traveling some sort of warp bubble or something.
Which sounds like this teardrop looking craft that they're in, like some kind of bubble that they're in that protects them and they.
Anyway, not to go on a huge tangent on time travel, but we're pretty much over our time here. I wanted to end this with a little bit of history on Hathor.
Oh, cool. Do it. Being that she is the lady. So Hathor was a major goddess in ancient Egyptian religion who played a wide variety of roles
as a sky deity. She was the mother or consort of the sky god Horus. and the sun god Ra, both of whom were connected to kingship. And thus she was the symbolic mother
of their earthly representatives, the pharaohs. She was one of several goddesses who acted as the eye of Ra, Ra's feminine counterpart. And in this form, she had a vengeful aspect that protected him
from his enemies. Her beneficent side represented music. dance, joy, love, sexuality, maternal care, and she acted as the consort of several male
deities and the mother of their sons. These two aspects of the goddess exemplified the Egyptian conception of femininity. Hathor crossed boundaries between worlds, helping deceased souls in their transition
to the afterlife. Hathor was often depicted as a cow, symbolizing her maternal and celestial aspect.
Although her most common form was a woman wearing a headdress of cow horns and a sun disc. She could also be represented as a lioness,
a cobra, or a sycamore tree, which... I was wondering if it was gonna be an owl. Oh. Which the tree that burned in their yard
was a sycamore tree. No, was he? Yeah. No. Yeah, and the lioness, the star of Regulus is in the Leo.
And they talk about her, this new age of kindness and love and joy and all that is the age of femininity,
which she represents. So that's just a little bit of history on her. And yeah. Fascinating stuff and I know we're gonna do another episode on this cuz we haven't even gotten through most of the story, right?
There's so much of the story. I haven't even finished the book I still want to like listen to some of the podcast. So let's just call next week part two of this. I'm down. Yeah
Shout out to our buddy Andrew for putting us onto this I'm sure we would've gotten to it eventually,
but you definitely pushed us. Yeah, he gives the kick in the pants to like, yo, what do you think of this? Yeah. Like, well, now that I'm looking into it, this is a good UFO
case. Because I was, I still stick to my earlier statement that I don't think any one UFO case should be the end all,
be all. The end all, be all. It's about the fact that there are so many of these cases, and they have so many strange details in common.
Yeah, absolutely. And they have a lot of strange details in common with this, too, and the idea of these orbs, right? These orbs are becoming more a part of our lexicon
in the world nowadays. And them being more of a part of the UFOs. Well, it's not just the orbs, too. When they slow down and the lights chill down,
he describes them as tic-tacs quite often, too. So I mean, it really does. I think the lexicon around UFOs is changing.
And I think, you know. Whether this is Jacques Vallee, Diana Pasolka, all the researchers who have been open-minded about and like hesitant to just straight up label it as aliens from another galaxy, which it very well
could be also be aliens from another galaxy or another universe. Could also be humans who Noah's arced into the stars. Coming back now.
Before the younger Dryas coming back and still having their old technology. Yeah, Noah's ship could have been a spaceship.
Right. Well, one of them, there seems to have been many of them. Around the world, yeah. That's true. Maybe some of them hunkered down underground as their ship.
Some of them had an actual literal boat. Some of them had a spaceship. I'm just having a good time now that we're
like getting far enough into this podcast that like, Like everything we're talking about, there's so many connections.
And I loved, and we didn't go over it too much, but the similarities between this story and the secret history
of the world, and a lot of that ancient occult, the ancient mysteries of the world and stuff,
it's all fascinating. And if you just open your mind a bit and let yourself Allow these stories to combine in your head and like think about them and like it's fun
It's so fun and it's it's it can you know? it can be I Don't know. I wasn't I was gonna say there, but it's just a fun thought exercise to allow yourself to yeah
So and now that we're doing this podcast and now that we're this far into it Like you're saying like it it's all starting to come together and we're gonna continue obviously, but lady Hawthor we're gonna do our part
absolutely All right. So with that, I hope you guys all enjoyed yourselves today. We had a blast. We went over a number of times.
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