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I'm Drew. And I'm Dean. Welcome back for episode 11. Man, we're cooking. Yeah, we are. So, uh,
it wasn't too long ago that we did, uh, part two. Yeah, so it, in our time, in our recording
timeline here, we're, uh, two days after we recorded the last episode. Uh, because Drew
was sick last week so we skipped a week of recording. Yeah, so we just recorded two days ago for
episode 10. Right. We're now recording episode 11. So in the meantime I've had a bunch of
weird technical issues with the website. So hopefully by the time you guys hear this podcast
those will all be solved. But if not then I will... We'll be starting from scratch. I will
be, yeah. There's a good chance I may have to delete our website and create it from scratch
again to create the podcast feed from scratch again and all that, which would be. You got
to start with the website too, because that's where the feed is coming from. Yeah, so the
website creates our RSS feed, and it's that RSS feed that gets brought in by Apple. And
it's causing the issues most likely. And the RSS feed is linking to MP3s improperly. This
was all me trying to troubleshoot another issue, and I made a bigger one. So. But hopefully,
quickly, we'll get that taken care of. And for people who are listening far into the future,
you probably don't care because it's probably all fixed by now. For sure. So today, we decided
to go for part three of Secret History of the World. Part three, yeah. We were looking at
our list of episodes coming up, and we decided we needed some more time on a few of the other
ones that we had planned to do. Now and probably our next episode too, but honestly the like
I think we should keep moving on this So I think once we're finished with this series. You can
move on to like a new book series. Yeah. Yeah No, I agree some other books and honestly cover
in this sort of detail Yeah, and I don't know if we'll cover every single chapter of this
book I mean, we'll probably cover parts of every chapter of this book, but probably not. Like
as the beginning few chapters, like five, six chapters are like really. Yeah, that's kind
of like the foundation for like the entire mythology of the creation of the universe and the mystery
school stuff and like getting there, like understanding of how they think about these things. So like
further chapters you can kind of just take snippets out of. And it kind of, a lot of it relates
back to what's already been discussed in the first few chapters. So, yeah. But yeah, so
we're on to part three. We finished, I believe we finished on the Lucifer. Yes. In the light
of the world. That was the last chapter. Last chapter we covered. So this chapter, chapter
five. I guess we, I mean, if you want to dive right into it, we don't really have any communications
to speak of. Let's hop in. Let's hop into it. So chapter five of. Secret History of the World
by Mark Booth is called The Gods Who Loved Women, The Nephilim, The Genetic Engineering of Humankind,
The Fish Gods, The Original History of the Origin of the Species. That's the title and subtitle
of the chapter. So we'll start. We are now about to look into one of the murkier and more shameful
episodes in the history of the world. Even within the secret societies, a veil is sometimes drawn.
A priest in Babylon at the time of Alexander the Great was one of the first historians.
It is clear from the few remaining fragments that Barosus, like Herodotus before him, had
studied the king's lists inscribed on temple walls and delved into the secret priestly archives.
on the history of the origins of the earth and sky and the race of hermaphrodites, the presexual
humans who reproduce by the means of parthenogenesis. Yeah, we covered that a bit in the last one.
Borosus goes on to describe how the land came to be inhabited by a primitive race. Then one
day, he says, a monster emerged on the seashore, an animal called Oannus. whose whole body was
that of a fish. Under the fish's head, under the fish's head, he had another head with feet
also below, similar to those of man, subjoined to the fish's tail. So he had a fish head and
human legs. Is this how you spell OANIS? Yeah. No. Yes, yeah, that's right. Whose body was
that of a fish. Under the fish's head he had another head, with feet also below similar
to those of man, subjoined to the fish's tail. That's interesting. So he basically had two
hotties, it sounds like, conjoined into one. Yeah. A fish's head underneath, which had a
human-like head and feet, which was conjoined also with the fish's bottom half. Fish's tail.
His voice and language were articulate and human, and representation of him is preserved even
to this day. This monster was accustomed to pass the day among men, but took no food then.
And he gave them an insight into letters and sciences and arts of every kind. He taught
them to construct cities, to found temples. to compile laws and explain to them the principles
of geometrical knowledge. He made them distinguish the seeds of the earth and showed them how
to collect fruits. In short, he instructed them in everything which could soften manners and
humanize their lives.
And when the sun had set, this being-awareness returned again into the sea. and passed the
night in the sea, for he was amphibious. After this appeared other animals like Iwanis. Similar
stories of fish gods who suddenly appear and become the teachers of mankind can be found
in other traditions. For example, the Indian stories about Matsya, the first avatar of Vishnu,
and the stories of the ancient Phoenicians of the dragon, of the Dagon, sorry, who taught
humankind the art of irrigation. and the ancient fish gods of the Dagon tribe in West Africa.
We even know from Plutarch that the earliest representations of Zeus were of a man with
a fish tail, an image which survived in Greek mythology in the form of his brother Poseidon.
So the early depictions of Zeus were of a fish. Yeah, so it sounds like the early, yeah, before
they had like split off Zeus Poseidon into their own entities. Yeah, so Poseidon being the brother
of Zeus in mythology, but having basically come from him, it sounds like. Yeah. From the story
of him. This is the images that come up for Awanas. Yeah, so there's a fish head. It's
almost like he's wearing a fish outfit. Yeah.
interesting. Graham talks about Owanis too. Yeah, he talks about Owanis and being the teacher
of the ancient societies and of agriculture. For Graham, it's a symbol of... Pisces, right?
The... after the Ice Age of the... And after the cataclysm and the pre-civilization got
wiped out, it's the... It's the symbol of the rebirth. ..symbol of the...whoever had knowledge
of the previous civilization coming up out of the sea and finding people. Bestowing the knowledge.
And bestowing knowledge and that sort of turning into a fish god metaphor. Well, yeah, I mean,
you got to think even still, right? So like, if it was an ancient... And that's the thing
about time. like the relative time, like we don't know that the events of, like we know
in like a materialistic form, like of like how old things are, but we don't really know, like
it's like the idea that the, what's that, what's it called? The last Thursdayism? It's like
the Have you heard of that? It rings a bell, but I don't exactly know what it means. It's
like the idea that you can't prove that the entire universe and everything that was happened
before last Thursday. Right. So it's kind of this idea of, yeah, we have an understanding
that things are old, but we can't necessarily prove. that everything wasn't created to look
old or be seen as old. Well, it all gets extra murky when we're talking about mythology and
trying to date things based off of mythology because A, we don't even know that the mythology
refers to something real. B, if it does, we don't know to what extent it's metaphor, to
what extent it's, uh, it's derived instead of, it's like literal. Yeah. And then A lot of
times the stories don't necessarily come with dates passed down in them. It's more like ages
and times. And so if they do refer to something real, it's hard to know how far back. You can't
carbon date a myth. Right. Yeah. But it's fascinating. The other, if this was talking about, like
the rest of this book has been so far, it's talking about the beginnings of time, right?
Could this symbol be a recurring theme? So, could these gods be something, and this even
goes to UFO, the current UFO stuff, and especially Chris Bloodsoe that we had talked about recently.
If it is a spiritual thing and it comes in recurring patterns, or it's allowed to come back at certain
times to manifest to humans and start giving us some kind of knowledge or helping us along
our path or whatever available. evolution. These myths and stories being what they are could
be just a recurring theme. So yeah, it could be that 12,000 years ago when society needed
to be reset, there was this fish symbol, God that came down and whether it was just from
a pre-historical thing, they probably knew about the stories of before too, of the origins of
the universe. So it could just be this recurring theme and it's always like this thematic theme
that like is needed to put the images in humans brain in order to like have some kind of significance.
Right. And allow us to like believe what's going on, I guess, I don't know. But as far as what
he's portraying in the story here and when it's portrayed, this is portrayed as whilst humans
are not humans yet. Whatever it is, yeah, whatever. The proto-version of humans, the atom that
exists at the time who's still hermaphroditic, is essentially being approached by this God
and being taught skills and civilization. Yeah, and this is before we're even fully formed
and fully human animals. Right. Yeah, so we'll continue here. Some modern writers outside
the esoteric traditions have seen in this fish imagery evidence for an alien invasion in ancient
times. It's even been suggested that the human race was genetically engineered by alien invaders,
which is a good illustration of the way that esoteric traditions are misinterpreted by people
who impose a materialistic gloss on them. Genesis 6, 1, Chapter 6, passages 1 through 5, says,
And it came to pass when man began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were
born unto them, that the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair. And they
took wives which they chose. When the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, that
they bear children to them, the same became mighty men, which were of old, men of renown.
And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of
the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. Interesting so that kind of goes straight to
the Like the kind of jump. Yeah, this is like the Nephilim the nephilim. Yeah, the Giants.
Mm-hmm The original Giants which are like kind of like demigods Yeah, they're born of God
of godly men to human women, right? So this is like discussing the god class mating with
early humans right What on earth are we to make of this passage? The phrase here translated
as sons of God is elsewhere in the Bible, a phrase used to mean angels, messengers coming
down from heaven. But in the context, coming down also seems to carry with it moral opprobrium.
By saying that the angels had sex with women, is Genesis perhaps saying that these angels
lowered themselves to participate in the material world? and perhaps that they had become too
enamored with it. Right.
Is that from, so that's Genesis, right? Mm-hmm. Yeah, and that's an interesting point he points
out there,
that they didn't just lower themselves from heaven to earth, but the lowering was also
like a moral lowering. A moral lowering. That they're not just, that they're sort of lowering
themselves to our moral plane. They're becoming physical and not wanting to return to their
ethereal form that they were once.
I wonder what that symbolizes in this proto-human way, you know? We'll continue though.
So this goes on to talk about the Book of Enoch. This book... disappeared from mainstream esoteric
history in AD 300-400, but traditions regarding its existence, its contents, and teachings
were preserved in Freemasonry. Then in 1773, some very tattered scripts of it were tracked
down in Ethiopian monasteries by the Scottish explorer James Bruce, and in this way the old
Freemasonic traditions were vindicated. Never part of the canon of Christian scripture as
it was put together in the fourth century, the Book of Enoch was nevertheless sufficiently
esteemed by writers of the New Testament for them to quote from it, evidently viewing it
as an authority with a status something like sacred scripture. So this is what the book
of Enoch has to say about angels who loved women. Enoch chapter one, or chapter six, passages
one through four. And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied, that in those
days were born unto them beautiful and comely daughters. And the angels, the children of
heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another,
and beget us children. And all the others together with them took unto themselves wives, and each
chose for himself one. And they began to go into, in unto them and to defile themselves
with them. And they taught them charms and enchantments, and they became pregnant. Later Enoch is given
a tour of the heavens where the rebel angels or watchers ask Enoch to intercede with God
on their behalf. But when Enoch tries to do so, God only repudiates them, send Enoch back.
And go say to the watchers," or angels, and go say to the watchers, "'who have sent thee
to intercede for them, you should intercede for men and not men for you.'" Mm-hmm. So this
is the angels having Enoch do their bidding and go talk to God. They let him in, they go,
you know. Go tell them that we're doing the work of whatever. Right. And God's like, dude.
Because they don't want to face up to him, because they know they've been doing stuff they're
not supposed to. Yeah, and Enoch is like, OK. Because he's having some experience with these
angels. I got these freaking godlike angel things telling me to go do them a favor. I'm like,
right, whatever. Yeah, and then God's like, dude, this is your job. What do you do in sending
men to come talk to me? This is supposed to be your job. This is what I sent you there
for, to be the mouthpiece. The intermediary for man, not the other way around. Yeah. So
Enoch, it continues on Enoch, and this goes to Enoch chapter 6, passages 15 through 16.
Wherefore have ye left the high, holy, and eternal heaven, and lain with women? and defiled yourselves
with the daughters of men, and taken to yourselves wives, and done like the children of earth,
and begotten giants as your sons. And thou, though you were spiritual beings living the
eternal life, you have defiled yourselves with the blood of women, and have begotten children
with the blood of flesh, and blood as those who also die and perish. And now as to the
watchers who have sent thee, to intercede for them, who have been aforetime in heaven, say
to them, You have been in heaven, but all the mysteries had not yet been revealed to you.
And you knew worthless ones, but these in the hardness of your hearts you have made known
to women, and through these mysteries women and men work much evil on earth. Say to them
therefore you have no peace. Saying that to the watchers that you have no peace. Right.
So does that just kind of like a way of saying- And it's basically blaming the corruption of
mankind on them for like bringing a bunch of impure thoughts and whatnot. Bunch of desire
and impurity. Well, and that's basically goes back to the Lucifer. I do like lose the fall
of Lucifer in the last chapter and him and his angels, you know, you know, they're the ones
who are the gods now that are defiling themselves with work. And it's funny, this also bringing
me back to Owaspy again, too, but it's essentially... Like it's saying to the watchers that, hey,
you resided in heaven and you worked for us up here, and you thought you knew it all, but
you didn't know it all yet. Not everything had even been revealed to you yet. Now here you
are lowering yourselves and divining yourself with the wind and thinking you're divine and
you still don't even have the whole picture. You still have to learn. You're still children
of heaven, basically. You're still the ones learning the ways of heaven, but I sent you
there on this mission. basically to help along their path and in so learning more about yourselves,
right? It's kind of the idea, like, it's kind of like the vibe you get is like doing this
task and doing it for God, you will then earn yourself a higher place. It's kind of the,
you know, what you kind of assume is what He's meaning by that. Like, look, you haven't even
learned everything, so. Right. And that's why I say it reminds me of a wasp because in a
wasp there's like levels of heavens, right? And it's only like the most highly accomplished
and ascended of the spirits of the, you know, quote unquote, gods that like can interact
directly with like the creator of all. There's like higher and higher levels to be attained.
Yeah. And so like even the gods who are like high enough to be able to like run earth. don't
necessarily have the secrets of the cosmos, of the universe. Right. They've got enough
to act as gods on Earth. Yeah. Because it's a materialistic place now. You know, it's becoming
that. Right. And according to Owaspy, they suggest like, there's like a heavens around the Earth,
that like, you as humans, when you die and move on, those are the heavens that you go to, which
is like... spiritual preparation for moving to the higher heavens outside and beyond that.
But you have to like grasp just as like life is like a sort of preparation for the afterlife.
That first level of the heavens is like a preparation for whatever is beyond. Yeah, we definitely
need to do some wasp. That kind of aligns with the idea that these like great spiritual beings
don't have the full picture. Right. They're not just, they're not the end-all be-all of
gods. Right. So, we'll continue now. We have seen that the Bible contains encoded within
it accounts of creation, in which key roles have been played by Saturn, Earth, the Sun,
Venus, and the Moon. We have followed the story from the purely material to the vegetable,
to the first stirrings of animal life. The age that followed would be marked by the arrival
of the gods of the solar system. Jupiter, or Zeus, as he is known to the Greeks, became
the king of all the gods. The gods of Mars and Mercury would fly into view during this age
too. The infant Jupiter had to be hidden from his father Saturn. Mother Earth kept deep underground,
isolated from the other gods. Jupiter lived on the milk of a goat nymph and ate the honey
of sacred bees. Mother Earth hid Jupiter in this cave because she was afraid that Saturn
and the Titans, the elder sons and the daughters of Saturn, Saturn being Satan, this one that
came down and defiled itself among humans, right? Begotten sons? No. Or is that just Lucifer?
Now you're mixing up with Satan. Yeah. and Lucifer again. Right, but I mean. Satan was the one
that did battle with the Mother Goddess originally. brought darkness. Got it. Yeah, so she's hiding
him from Saturn. She knew that Saturn would come to destroy him. She knew that the birth
of Jupiter showed that the reign of Saturn was coming to an end. But the transition from one
age to another is always a painful one. The older one always, the old order always tries
to stay on beyond its allotted time. Mm.
The Titans referred earlier to were Saturn's enforcers. They were the consciousness eaters.
They wanted to swallow up the new life and create what Milton, who knew all about the secret
history, called a universe of death. That's what they're trying to create. So this is Satan's
Titans coming to Earth, trying to create this universe of death. The Titans would always
be the enemies of Jupiter. They failed to kill him while he was still an infant, but they
did not cease to wage war on him. Sporadically and in great battles, until finally and decisively
Jupiter defeated them and imprisoned them underground. There these great forces of materialism became
part of the very structure of the Earth. And whenever volcanoes rumbled and threatened to
erupt, the ancients heard their discontent. So they're basically thrown into the depths
of Earth, becoming molten magma, and they're just, every time you hear an eruption, they're
like, oh, they're mad. That is the Titans saying, hey, we're still here. We're coming back for
ya. Yeah. Dang. Huh. That's crazy. I mean, just the story of this, this story is just so fascinating.
I mean, obviously a lot of this is within other Bibles. different historical and religious
text too, but... Yeah. This is interesting in the way he's like putting together this...
The astronomical stuff with it. Well this time from the Bible of like the angels coming down
and mating with humans and he's placing that sort of in the same time frame as the Titans
being here and doing battle with Zeus. Yep. Which is like... the origins, you know, like
that's like the creation myths and Greek mythology. So it's interesting to see that he's like trying
to blend the Greek mythology and the Christian
Abrahamic religion mythologies together here. Yeah. So, but what of the story of the fish
gods? How does that fit in? Yeah. We have seen that many mythologies around the world tell
the strange story of the arrival of fish gods, and we have touched on the fact that even Jupiter
in his earliest representations was one of them. We have seen, too, that the myths of Jupiter
and the other Olympian gods are an account of the proliferation of animal forms. Bringing
these two things together gives rise to an astonishing possibility. anticipated the modern scientific
insights that the animal life that would eventually evolve into human form began life as a fish.
Mmm. So I see. So in this case, the Awanas character is teaching Adam, right? That this proto human,
right? But it's kind of like proto to all life, right? It's kind of all it's like it's like
the original animal, right? It's the thing that animals will be born of. Yeah. And so this
Awanas fish god is teaching Adam how to be. fish and how to leave as fish the water for
the land. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and it's kind of like, it's, yeah, it's basically what they
said, you know, like, it's a foretelling of what's to come. Yeah. In a sense, like, just
the symbol of it. Yeah, so it's kind of like three different mythologies that are all being
blended here. And I don't necessarily understand
why he seems to be putting them all contemporaneous with each other, because they seem like distinct
moments to me. Unless he's just saying like, while all this drama is going on with the gods.
There's also, it's like heaven and earth, like the as above so below type of thing. Right.
Let's check back in with Adam and see where he's getting and he's being taught how to like
leave the ocean and go on to land. Yeah. So yeah, we'll pick up right after this break.
Cool. We're going to Darwin's discovery. Ooh. Yeah. We'll be back.
And it is so close to me You're going away
We are back. Yeah. Get it. So I'm going to do a quick beer review. All right, yeah. I would
say, what are we drinking? But it's not me anymore. At least for a while. It's been a few weeks.
Oh, yeah. Since the Super Bowl. Well, no, I've had beer since then. But it was like a beer
night for dinner or something. But anyway. Yeah. I got the, it's like my standard beer I always
drink, but Dean got me some Juicy Grooves Hazy IPA from Jack Rabbit Brewing Company. Which
is in West Sack here in town. Yeah, so it's got notes of hoppy, it's got hops in a mosaic
of citra. Citra hops. And it's 6.8%. We're saying mosaic and citra, or a mosaic of citra. Oh
no, it says. Hops, mosaic, citra. Mosaic. Citra. Yeah, mosaic hops and citra hops are two different
hop varieties. Unless they're talking about like a. No, it's mosaic, comma, citra. Oh,
OK. Cool. Yeah. Yeah, 6.8%. I was going to say unless they hybridized them. It's good. 6%?
6.8. 6.8, there you go. And it's super cool, like the graphics on it. I really like their
label. It's got like a guitar as like the main. main piece and then a bunch of like musical
stuff around it that's kind of like abstract. Yeah I showed up to record today and I text
Drew I was like I'm here and then as well as I was about to text him that I was here to
let me in. He saw my text. I saw yeah he's like hey can you stop by and grow me some beer and
I was like crap. Of course, and I gave him like a specific like, I want the, you know, like
I was like, yeah, he's like, he's got, he's got like a, like a liquor store right next
to where he lives. I was like, yeah, usually I assume you're going to go there and I've
seen their selection. So that, that was why. Now I ended up running off to a local grocery
store and I realized I had left my wallet at home too. So I was like, hopefully they don't
ID me. You just Apple paid it. Yeah. Just use the Apple pay. I would have been fine without
it, but I appreciate you going out and going out of your way. Just because I'm not drinking
doesn't mean you can't. I appreciate it. So yeah, we left off and I give a little sneak
peek at where we're going with this and it's Darwin's discovery of evolution. So Darwin's
discovery of the evolution of species is one of history's great scientific discoveries ranked
alongside Galileo, Newton's, and Einstein's. Could it be that the priests of the mystery
schools knew of the evolution of species many thousands of years ago? Years earlier? We shall
now discover how evidence for this claim, which may initially at least sound implausible, is
written across the sky in blazing lights for all to see. Evolution is written across the
sky in blazing lights? Mm-hmm. So it's claiming. Yeah. I mean, I... That's funny, because I
don't see it as very far-fetched for, like, early people to have discovered evolution way
before. Right, well, to, like, understand it. To understand the idea of it. Yeah, yeah. You
look out, like... When you see chimps, you see monkeys, you see things that are just below
that, like, right? Right. If you've, like, cataloged a large chunk of life forms, you can kind of,
like... Even if it's just in your head, yeah. You can kind of, like, build taxonomies and
see relations. Yeah. Yeah, it's not farfetched to understand. And especially when, like, if
you've ever had the technology of breeding plants and breeding animals for farm use, you understand
that. Right. And early humans definitely cut things open and ate them. So doing, what's
it called?
Autopsies or whatever. There's another word for it that I'm searching for, but like cutting
something open and finding out the organs of it and relating that to another human that
you might've seen. You know, like being able to like put those things together. Like we
all have eyes, like we all have, you know, like, understanding that there's like a list of things
that we all have in common, you know? Right. Anyway, so it goes on to talk about, or say,
we are cracking the code of the cosmos. We saw how the earliest episodes in history are to
be understood in terms of the ordered creation of the solar system, one after the other. Saturn,
the Sun, Venus, the Moon, and Jupiter joined in the work of weaving together the basic conditions
that made possible the evolution of life on Earth. Following this sequence has brought
us to the dawn of animal life and of consciousness. and the beginning of the proliferation of animal
forms. In order to understand the history of the development of these animal forms, we must
turn again to astronomy. And following on from the sequence in which the ancients believed
the planets were created, we now turn to an interlocking sequence, the constellations of
the zodiac. So that's what they were going, like it's written across the stars in the zodiac.
I see. To the ancients, the forces of nature were asleep during the winter and reawakened,
exerting their influence anew in the spring. The constellations in which the sun rose in
the spring was therefore very important to them. The sun vivified that constellation, energizing
it and increasing its power to shape the world and its history. Right. So this is talking
about how.
The idea of like, so like if you're looking out at the night sky, right? A couple hours
or so before sunrise and you're looking like due east or due north or whatever, a specific
direction on a specific time of the year and you can see what constellation is there. Yep.
And then you see the sunrise in front of it. Yep. Like that. And then it said to the sun
is said to be in the house of that. That. The constellation. Yeah, no, that's basically the,
and then it goes on to talk about the phenomenon of procession of the equinoxes, which for,
yeah, so we all know that the Earth rotates on its axis. And that rotation, if you look
each night up at the sky,
As we go throughout a year, in one half of the year, you'll be able to see a certain set of
constellations at a certain time of night, say call it midnight, whatever. There'll be a certain
set of constellations above head and then on the opposite side of the year, at midnight,
if you look out and above, you'll be a totally different set of constellations. And then throughout
the year those like rotate and they also rotate throughout the night, but like Yeah, so like
our position around the Sun changes which constellation we see and it will ultimately change which
Constellation the Sun rises against throughout the year. Yep. Yeah, that's just from our orbit
around Earth that causes A different month essentially to be a different in a different house of the
zodiac Yeah, and obviously, when you start really going into astronomy and astrology of this
whole thing, they were using known markers on their region to dictate what is the most specific,
what's the thing they're looking for or looking at. What's the thing? You see all these different
monuments around the world that are pointed in a certain way or... They have a certain
time of the year where it creates this perfect shadow to create a serpent, like the Mayan
stuff, where it creates a serpent that goes down the stairs. And you know, it's crazy.
And they all have different, based on where they are geologically, different things that
they're looking to the heavens at, based on that whole procession stuff. So that's like
the procession of a year. Right? Which is just a standard rotation and then our rotation around
the sun. But then there's another movement that happens. It's not just the earth spinning around
its axis and then the earth spinning around the sun. Also the, another movement that the
earth goes through is that it's tilted 23 and a half degrees. And that tilt, if you're like
spun a top. And you notice maybe at first it spins nice and straight, but as it starts to
lose a little bit of energy, it'll start to wobble. That wobble is called precession. Right,
because it's proceeding around this center point in a sense, right? Right. And so that's essentially
what happens to the Earth and its rotation on that 23 and 1.5 degree tilt. that over 23.25
thousand or 25 yeah. What's this great here? I think it's like 23.7 something is a, is what
the number is stuck in my head. 25.8 thousand years. It's 25,920 or something. This rounds
up to 28,000, 25,800. But it's- Oh, it rounds it, yeah. Roughly 25,800 years. It's the great
year, which is the amount of time it takes to complete a procession of the equinoxes. So
the ages- The sun says. The ages that we experience, right? These zodiacal ages. We go one way,
and then once we get to the end, we go back the other way, right? Isn't that the idea?
No, so. The procession of the equinox. Like, you go through all the zodiacs, and then you
go back through the zodiacs. Sort of. So, if you're tracking the movement of the sun through
the houses, so if on the very first day of every single month of the year, you track what the
sun rises against, as far as. which house of the zodiac, it will move in one direction through
the months of the year. But then the precession causes that tilt of the earth will rotate like
a top backwards, and that rotation causes the sun to... go backwards basically in the zodiac
from what the monthly procession is. Right, so the sun is going backward, but the, so it's
not necessarily that the spinning is going backwards, it's that the sun is rising in the opposite
direction. So we can call it like a solar month and like a great month, right? So like a solar
month would be, you know, from 1 12th of orbit around the sun, okay? And in a solar month,
we'll move forward a zodiac. Right. But then in a great month, so in 1 12th of the 25,000
year procession, in a solar or in a great month, the sun will move the opposite direction on
the zodiac. So yeah, so the zodiac is moving constantly, consistently in the same way. But
it's the sun moving in the opposite direction. through the zodiac. Right. So if you track
how the sun moves through the zodiac as far as months of the year, it moves, call it that,
forward. Call it clockwise. If you call that forward or clockwise, then you would call the
great year counterclockwise or backwards. I see. OK. And that's why we're moving from we're
in the dawning of the age of Aquarius, as that song goes. Yep. Are we moving? Is the sun moving?
in the great year or like backwards or is it moving forward? That's something to know. But
I'll continue here real quick. This phenomenon is known as precession. There is some dispute
among academics as to when the ancients first became aware of it. The breakthrough book on
this subject was Hamlet's Mill, written by Giorgio de Santillana, MIT professor of the history
and philosophy of science, and Hertha von Deschend, professor of science at Frankfurt University
and published in 1969, tremendously erudite, it began a process of rediscovering an astronomical
dimension of myths that had long been forgotten outside the secret societies. Their thesis
is that one of the stories central to all
The story of the dispossessed son who defeats his uncle to regain his father's throne is
a description of an astronomical event, one processional epoch succeeding another. So yeah,
Hamlet's Mill and Epidus... Rex? Oedipus. That's it. Just forget the O. Oedipus Rex.
Yeah, so the stories that were being told in those books early on in time were basically
tellings of the procession. Right. So here, this is like a basic zodiacal chart, right?
And you can see here that the way this one's laid out,
this is moving forward in time through the year. going counterclockwise on this chart. OK. So.
Oh, so it's got two dates based on. Right. So like Aquarius would be, would represent a month
in the year before, a month before Pisces, right? And then that would be a month before Aries,
before Taurus, right? But in the precession of the equinoxes in the great year, we're moving
out of Pisces. Into Aquarius, right? Into Aquarius. And then so that it was actually Taurus the
bull that we were that there was a lot of like this is where like you get like Randall and
a bunch of people talking about like the different symbologies of the different ages. And there's
a lot of like in like the Moses and the Israelites like leaving Egypt.
Like that's all referring to this like age of Taurus.
Yeah. And then Aries is the water. And then Pisces is the fish, right? And that's like
sort of the Christian age. That's also kind of the dawning of our most recent age, really,
like that's from the beginning of our history, at least as far as we know. Yeah. And then
we're in Pisces, right? Yeah. We're at the end of Pisces, at the dawn of Aquarius. And then
from Aquarius, does it move into Capricorn, or does it move back into Pisces? No, it would
move into Capricorn. Yeah, it just, the great year will go this direction. The great year
goes that direction, but the sun. The months of the year go this direction. Gotcha. I'll
put this chart up on the screen so you guys can follow what we're saying here.
So, let us now look at this sequence in terms of the historical reality that lies behind
the myths of Jupiter and the other gods according to esoteric tradition. Because we have been
looking at history as it has been remembered in myths, particularly the myths of the gods
of Olympus, we have naturally been picturing to ourselves anatomically modern humans. However,
we should continue to bear in mind that these myths represent what these things would have
looked to the eye of the imagination. But to a physical eye, if any such had existed, it
would have all looked very different." I put more emphasis on Barry. Because what these
imaginative pictures represent is the beginning and development of primitive life forms. If
the age of the first marine life was marked by the rulership of the planet Jupiter, then
then in terms of the procession of the constellations, it was marked by Pisces. When the sun first
began to rise in the constellation of Pisces, a new form of condensed, a new form condensed
out of the semi-liquid substance of the earth's surface, you know, this is the atom semi-liquid
form, like plant life. When the... Marked by... Oh, where am I? Hold on. A new form condense
of the semi-liquid substance, right? This was the earliest embryonic form of the fish, somewhat
like a modern jellyfish. The ancients conceived of this evolutionary impulse as a god. If primitive
life on earth, the life that we would eventually evolve into, into human life, took on a primitive
fish-like form, that was because a god took on this form first. So it's as above, so below.
So the god took on the form of the fish, and then human, like the actual life on earth took
on the form of a fish. The form of a fish, yeah, they evolved into fish.
Right, and then it goes, yeah, and that was because God took on the form of the fish, pulled
life onto earth with him. In Egypt, this miraculous event, the birth of animal life was known as
the birth of Horus. And the earliest representations of Horus, like those of Jupiter, were half
man, half fish. So we again see that the Greeks and Egyptians, like the Greeks and the Hebrews,
worshipped the same God in different cultural clothing. The next processional age was the
first age of Aquarius. This was the era of the evolution of amphibians, giant floating creatures
somewhat like the modern dolphins, but with webbed limbs and lantern-like foreheads. This
lantern was the pineal gland, protruding from the top of it still holds in some reptiles,
such as the lizard-like Tuarta, species from New Zealand, the lantern, was still the proto-human
creature's main organ of perception. This reminds me of that fish that was discovered deep in
the ocean. Yeah, the one with the... The lantern, literally has a lantern coming out of it, and
it's meant to distract things because they go for the light. It literally has a light coming
out of its head, and it's at the bottom of the ocean.
It's, it make, I mean, intuitively like in our head, like, yeah, that's it. Anglerfish. That's
the one. You see it in, um, you know, if you have kids and, you know, Dude, those things
look so freaking creepy. I think you see it in Finding Nemo. Yeah, you do. Yeah. If you
have kids and, uh, or you just like Disney, Pixar. Yeah, those are creepy. Dude. Oh my
god, the teeth on that thing. Yeah, that's the image right there. Yeah, that's the one from
Friday Night Night. That's friggin' terrifying. But look, it's coming from the top of its head,
right out of the middle of its eyes.
It's creepy stiff. And that's found 10A in the bottom of the ocean. Dude, look at that. Are
these real pictures? I think that one is. Well, obviously that one's from finding Nemo, but.
Yeah, there's like... Yeah, there's the picture from Popular Mechanics. Living off of its light,
it looks like. Yeah, we'll be showing all these images. Well, at least some of them.
Dude, that thing is... Dude, look at that eyeball on it too. It's so weird. That's a human-like
eyeball. I know. It's got an iris. It's got a pupil.
It's got this like weird dangly thing like a jellyfish like remnant coming out the bottom
of it Deep sea creatures are so crazy. So crazy Imagine yeah, and I know that there's been
fishermen that have pulled those up But because they're coming from so deep Like a lot of times
they'll just let out a bunch of line and they'll grab something and it's one of these fish And
they'll pull it up and when it comes up because of the pressure change they're pulling it up
too fast. It like implodes and it like Looks even more insane than what we're looking at.
Like an inside out fish, but that looks like that. Yeah.
real.
Anyway, freaking anglerfish. Yeah. So this lantern-headed humans were later idealized as unicorns. The
Earth goddess still told them what to do clairvoyantly so that the point, I think I skipped a line.
Yeah, so this is talking about us, where we, the lineage that's going to end up as us. As
humans, yeah. is at the moment is it's still using its like third eye as like not a vestigial
thing is this like part of the main way that we interact with the world and that represents
the unicorn. Yeah exactly the earth god has still told them what to do clairvoyantly so
that the natural law and the moral law were the same thing. This historical truth is beautifully
portrayed in
in Paris where the unicorn lays its head in the lap of the virgin of a virgin I don't know
maybe we can find that too. What is that? The tapestry in the Musée de Cluny it's Musée M-U-S-E-E.
That's like a... De Cluny I think it I think it's like a museum. De Cluny this one yeah
whatever we're looking for the tapestry and it's a unicorn laying its head on. vert on
the lap of a virgin.
Our collective memory of the unicorn is, of course, of a haunted creature. Humans might
seek sanctuary in the lap of the Mother Earth, but the world was becoming a dangerous place.
Yeah, that's it. Or this one. It's one of those, I'm sure. They all look pretty similar. Yeah.
Lady and the Unicorn is what this tapestry is called. But I think it might be this one. Yeah,
it's like the...
visual representation of early human life, you know, confiding in Mother Goddess. So saying
the Virgin is the Mother Goddess. Yeah, that's what I'm assuming.
Because it also read before that talked about how the mother earth goddess still told them
what to do clairvoyantly Being these early Animal forms? Yeah.
So we saw that desire had originally existed independently of humankind, and desires continued
to exist independently, unintegrated into the proto-human form. These desires running wild
were the dragons of mythology. They terrorized the rest of creation. As the marshy surface
of the earth began to harden into something like dry land, the next stage of the development
of human form began. This was the beginning of the age of Capricorn, when proto-humans
developed calves and limbs and to crawl onto land, to pursue their burgeoning animal desires.
According to the ancient wisdom, it was the arrival of Mars that led to the evolution of
warm-blooded animals. Mars arrived at the time of the transition from the lizard-like amphibians
of the age of Capricorn to the land animals of the age of four-footed Sagittarius. The
iron of Mars yielded red blood and provided the conditions that would make egotism possible.
And not only in the sense of the healthy drive to survive, as the earth continued to harden
and become denser and drier, it shrank further, with the result that one being could prosper
at another's expense. It became part of the human condition that I can hardly move without
harming. even killing another living creature. Because of Mars, there is also a cruel part
of human nature that rejoices in this, exalts and forcing a fellow human being to submit.
Yeah, so. Yeah, this is all talking about like from the age of Aquarius to the age of Capricorn.
Yeah, we're introducing all these planets and going through like the evolution of animals
essentially right now. Right, and they're also like, yeah, as above so below, the introduction
of these planets to the system are creating these, you know, different forms that we are,
you know, at least imaginatively they are creating these new forms. based on the age of the procession
that we're in.
Yeah, and so what did it say? Mars represents exactly? I know, like, red blood, it said.
It said the iron of Mars yielded red blood and provided the conditions that would make egotism
possible. Yeah. And not only in the sense of a healthy drive to survive, but also like the
will to kill in order to survive, and then... Yeah. And then... The fact that you can't live
without killing. Yeah. Yeah, it became like... Try and go throughout your day without ever
stepping on a bug or an ant or... Or eating something. Yeah, right. Eating most things
is killing something else. Exactly. It's just a fact of life and you have to grasp it. Whether
you're a vegan or a meat eater, right? You're killing a plant in order to survive. You're
eating an animal in order to survive. Yeah, that's heavy but we'll come back and break
it. That's like the interconnected nature of death and life. It's the duality of it all,
man. Alright, we'll be back. Duality, Jen.
Thanks for watching!
Do do Do do
Dude, another one of those song titles meshing with our topic. This one's called Deep in the
Stars. We're talking about the zodiac and the stars and the planets. You're planning this.
You gotta be planning this. I'm not planning this. Ha ha ha. Welcome back. Hey, question
to you guys out there. So the music I've been playing through all this is stuff that We haven't
got much feedback on that yet, huh? I've produced over the years, either myself or myself with
my buddy.
I guess I should ask him this, but I want to know your guys' opinion too. A lot of the songs,
not all of them, like not this one, but a lot of the songs actually have lyrics to them and
Carlo raps and we have guest singers and stuff and I think they're pretty good. I think they
all hold up. I love that. I love them. Anyway, if you're interested in hearing the lyric versions
and stuff. Well, I'll post links to where you can find the album streaming anyway. And then,
but I'd be interested to see if you like, because there's no reason I couldn't like mix those
in as the breaks to the actual like lyrics and stuff. Mm hmm. I was just keeping it instrumental
to just kind of like, yeah, I'm going. But yeah, let us know if you're into you want to hear
some lyrics on top of what you're hearing. but I should see if Carlos let's get some feedback.
Let's let's just right now, let's ask for some feedback on the music itself and like how you
guys been feeling about it. Yeah. Anybody who's interested, let us know. The show. We know
most of the people that we know are gonna like have heard it. So that's true. That's true.
Let's hear from people who haven't heard. Yeah. So we're gonna kind of, we're kind of getting
to the end of this chapter, kind of, just turning like four pages, but we'll continue a little
bit and we'll dive into some more conversation about it. So this chapter has been a commentary
on Genesis, taking into account parallel traditions such as the Egyptian and the Greek. This is...
This way of interpreting or decoding the Bible surfaced among the Neoplatonists and early
Kabbalists, and was elucidated by the groups like the Rosicrucians. Much of what we have
been considering can be found, for example, in the 17th century writings of Robert Flood.
He's
highly influential on John Milton's Paradise Lost. I'm not familiar with that. Paradise
Lost is a big, I don't know when it came out. Let me see. It's old. And slightly later, Jacob
Bohm, I don't know. I know Paradise Lost is essentially, and one of the early novels of
the world is essentially talking a lot about this Christian mythology and heaven and hell,
and I believe that's where we get. I might be confusing this with Dante's Inferno, but that,
I believe that's where we get a lot of our imagery of heaven and hell and stuff is from those.
And then it talks about- Paradise Lost is an epic poem in blink first by the 17th century.
English poet John Milton, 1608 to 1674. First version was published in 1667, consists of
10 books with over 10,000 lines a verse. Wow. So this is Robert Flood, his writings on the
highly influential Milton's Paradise Lost is what it's saying. And slightly later, Jacob
Bohm's commentary on Genesis, already mentioned before. Mysterium Magnum, the work of elucidating
these commentaries and reframing the wisdom of the Rusekrusians in modern times, was carried
out by the great Austrian scholar and initiate Rudolf Steiner, whose anthroposophical society
perhaps has a very clear claim to be a conduit conduit of the true Rosicrucian stream. Even
outside the esoteric tradition, it is acknowledged that the ancient civilizations around the world
showed remarkable agreement when it came to these images associated with the sequence of
the constellations of the zodiac. Which is so true, like you see it all over the world, like
they have an understanding of the constellations and understanding of the stars that Yeah, we
can't really fully understand how a lot of like different cultures, even if they have different
names and symbols for the stars, they're similar. Yeah. And they are in an order in which, you
know, coincides with others like it's so weird. And it's also like the same sort of division
of the sky. You would think if this was all like separate traditions. Completely that we're
coming up with a similar idea that like they would split the sky into 12 different sections
Each of each cultures 12 sections would not Be the same 12 sections. Mm-hmm, but you would
assume yeah except for if it's aligned to No, I guess because if you're doing ash you would
say like the southern hemisphere astronomical alignments like Like you can base your calendar
based off of things like the solstice and the equinoxes where you can tell that like the
day length is getting longer, getting longer, getting longer, and then getting shorter, getting
shorter, getting shorter. So these are like, like objective measures of like where the extreme
ends of your calendar lie. Right. But dividing it into 12 in and of itself is an interesting
thing, too. Yeah, and it all kind of makes me think of there's got to be some kind of intelligent.
12 is one of those weird numbers that shows up all over the place. Along with 7 and other
numbers. But yeah, it's just funny that they would all have these similarities. And all,
the majority of them have. like similar tellings of like being taught by some kind of deity
that came out of the sea or some ship down the horizon. This website is rsarchive.org. It's
the Rudolf Steiner archive. It's a whole like free. Oh, cool. Library. of books. I said that,
did we? I'm sorry.
The Go-Ethan Science, A Theory of Knowledge, Truth and Knowledge. These are all books written
by Steiner. Yeah, well, I thought the osphy occult science case for Anthroposophys, Anthroposophy.
That's what we were just possibly got Anthroposophy. Rappers are bar. That's an easy word to say.
So yeah, we'll finish off these last couple pages here. Therefore, back in the book here,
therefore what is generally regarded as a modern idea that put paid to ancient superstition
is in fact an ancient idea itself. An understanding of the ordered evolution of the species originated
thousands of years before Darwin set sail in HMS Beagle. The secret history was encoded
in the imagery of the zodiac, written down by initiates such as Jacob Bohm and Robert Flood
and preserved and carried into modern times by esoteric groups, but always and very deliberately
in a way that was hard for outsiders to understand. Then in the 19th century, when the sacred texts
of Hinduism were first translated into European languages, much esoteric knowledge, which had
previously been carefully managed and controlled, now leaked into the public consciousness. Fascination
with these ideas led to a renewed interest in the Kabbalah of the other and other Western
traditions, and helped fire the craze for spiritualism. Many of the great intellectuals of the period
became interested in trying to apply scientific methodology to spiritual and spiritualist phenomena.
In 1874, Charles Darwin attended séances with the novelist George Eliot, Darwin's rival.
A. E. Wallace took part in several controlled experiments into spiritualism, believing his
phenomena could be measured and verified, just as well as other types of phenomena were. As
we shall see later, many leading intellectuals, including scientists, believed that there was
something in esoteric philosophy, and that science and the supernatural would eventually come
together. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, they were interested in this stuff, you know, especially back when
they weren't going to be persecuted. Yeah. Even if they were persecuted. This is another example
of him like. pointing out where some of these famous scientists, they have views that modern
science would not be, is not happy to talk about. No one when they talk about Darwin and they
talk about the ideas of evolution, no one talks about how Darwin was going to stay on seas.
Right, yeah. That's not something that you're gonna hear in any kind of history book. Right?
I mean, you would, but like in like a deep detailed scholarly history book maybe. Yeah, but like
you're not going to hear it in a government. You're not going to hear it in your intro to
freaking science class in the evolution chapter. Yeah, no, that's true. Continues, in the secret
history of evolution of the species was not. the even progress that science supposes. There
were twists and turns that have important implications for the way that we understand our physiology
and mental makeup. There were dead ends, false stars, and even deliberate attempts at sabotage.
According to the secret doctrine, animals evolved into the forms that we are, that we are familiar
with today, influenced by the stars and planets. lions by the constellation of Leo, for instance,
bulls by the constellation of Taurus. The cosmic plan was that all the world's biological forms
would gradually be incorporated into humankind. So these symbols and these gods of the zodiac
were intended to take parts and pieces and be evolved into humankind and maybe we're still
on that path today, right? We're still taking in external energy or external this and that
to form and evolve slowly over the eons. We're still on this path of discovery and learning
and based on the zodiac and what's going on above us, things will change here. and things
are changing here, we know that. It's just that we, in this time, being the humans we are today,
we only live for 100 years, and you're not gonna see much change in 100 years. And that's the
maximum of our life. Majority of us are not gonna live even that long. Yeah, this is all
interesting too when you take into perspective that he's still not even saying that Anatomically
modern humans exist yet at this point in the story. Exactly. So this is the It was talking
about the first ages of these like they keep applying this term human to something where
like We think of as human doesn't even exist yet. And so Like what is that definition of
human then for them? And how many times through the great year do we have to go? How many times
did we go through that great year before we became human? Where all of these different
aspects of all these different god-like, semi-human gods were forming into, becoming part of us.
Right. I mean, basically, I mean, if you... take the scientific numbers of the Earth being
4 billion years old and like the first life essentially being as early as like 3.8 billion
years. And basically 3.8 billion years divided by 25,000. That's how many times. Right. Which
is a ton. Let's do the math. Okay. Let's do the math. Whole place. Say 3.8. Oh man. How
many zeros? This isn't the calculator I want to use. Okay, Hulkbot is way better. Okay,
so.
Can you just say billion? That's 3.8 million. So that's 3.8 billion. And if we divide that
by 25,000 years, that's 152,000 cycles of the great year. That we've been through. Yeah.
Since the beginning. So that's plenty of chances for every single, you know, if. If. each god
of the zodiac has more influence. To have some kind of influence on us. Each one of them had
152,000 times to influence things before now. Not enough. Or maybe it's too many. That's
a lot. It's a lot. It's a lot in our calculations, but all right. I mean, those are big numbers
for humans. Yeah, exactly. So yeah, it continues. As the gods led humanity closer and closer
to human anatomy as we know it, they assumed the part animal, part human forms remembered
by the Sumerians, the Egyptians and the Persians and the Babylonians, until they finally assumed
anatomically perfect forms remembered by the last great civilizations of the ancient world,
the Greeks and Romans. For example, the goddess of the planet Venus was cow-headed Hathor.
and the god of the planet Mercury was dog-headed Anubis on the walls of Egyptian temples. According
to the secret traditions, these same gods, the same living beings were remembered by the classical
Greeks in a later, more evolved form. The ancient texts describing this era also lay great emphasis
on giants. The author of the book of Enoch, writing in the Hebrew tradition, and Plato
writing in the Greek tradition, agree that in these early pre-flood times there arose a race
of giants. In fact, traditions of the antediluvian race of giants can be found all over the world,
from the Danavas and the
Phrygian and Salinas that has survived the fragmentary form from the time of the Alexander the Great.
Salinas says that men grew to double the size of the tallest men in his time, and they lived
to twice the age. In the secret tradition, the gigantic Bamiyan statues recently
but three life-sized statues of giants of 173, 120, and 30 feet high. The drapery that made
them look like Buddhas was made of plaster. Said to have been added to the stone later
in the 19th century, it was recorded that the locals believed them to be statues of the Mayots.
I don't know how to pronounce that, but... We'll put up pictures of these. I believe we put
them up in the first Secret History of the World. Well they had talked about them. What were
they called again? The Bamyan Statues.
The Giants of the Chinese Tradition. The famous statues of Easter Island are also supposed
to record the real heights of historical giants. Spiders beetles and parasitic creatures were
formed under the malignant influence of Darkside of the dark side. Remember we looked at the
yeah. Yeah, we did look at them. I Think we I think I had brought him up. I don't know
that it specifically mentioned them. No, I Maybe they did make a reference to it, but I Think
he just made a quick reference. This is kind of talking more about the Giants and like what
they represent Yeah Well, it's an interesting idea that these are representations of the
actual size of a giant. Because they're different sizes too. It almost seems like the 30-foot
one was a child, and then the 173-foot one was the full-grown adult, and the 120 was an adolescent.
That's what it seems like to me. Yeah, and these were destroyed. That's freaking... It's tragic.
It really is.
No matter who destroyed them, it's tragic. This is our history. So yeah, then there were the
dead end freaks, the one-legged men, the Batman, the insect men, and then men with tails. Manetho,
an Egyptian historian of the third century BC also recorded traditions of the progeny of
the Watchers, writing, they brought double-winged human beings. Also, other with four wings and
two faces, human beings with one body and two heads. Still other human beings had thighs
of goats and horns upon their heads. Others had the feet of horses behind them and the
men in the front. There were also others said to have been man-headed bulls and four-headed
dogs, whose tails emerged like fish tails from their backs. and other monsters such as all
kinds of dragon-like beings. This, then, is the era remembered in the great myths and finds
echoes in the great fantasy literature such as J.R.R.'s Tolkien's The Lord of the Rings
and or the Narnia books of C.S. Lewis. This fantasy literature represents a welling up
into the present of a collective memory of this period when humans lived on Earth with giants,
dragons, mermaids, centaurs, unicorns, fauns, satyrs, legions of dwarfs, silfs, nymphs, dryads,
and other lesser spiritual beings served the gods, and humans rubbed shoulders with them,
fought battles with them, and sometimes fell in love with them. Yeah. Like an orpheus falling
in love with Eurydice, who was a nymph. Yeah, and even like if you were thinking like straight
up, you know, fantasy, like
the JRR tokens, the Lord of the Rings and stuff, like you think of like the world of men falling
in love with the world of elves and like all these different, you know, subcategories of
humans and non-humans and orcs and, you know, all these different like giants were among
them and tree-like You know, like these were all living in a time together that eventually,
you know, subsided and ended. Yeah. And that's super interesting. And I can't wait until we
start covering some books about giants and stuff, because they're... There's some evidence. It's
more than just like people talking it up. Like there is, there's some history. There's some...
weird archaeological finds. Yeah. Some of them fake, but some of them that you can't just
label fake just off the top. Some stuff that gets found and then just gets shoveled to the
back of a museum and never seen again. Right. Yeah, the Smithsonian's famous for that, right?
Yeah. In the Secret History, the last creatures to incarnate before humans were the apes. They
came about because some human spirits rushed into incarnation too early, before human anatomy
was perfected. In the Secret History, therefore, it is not right to say that humans were descended
from apes, rather that apes represent a degeneration of humankind. Of course, no fabulous creatures
have lived. have left any trace in the fossil record. So why have great men and women of
history, initiates of the secret societies, believed in them? Why should any intelligent
person even begin to toy with the idea? That ends that chapter. Oh. That leaves us on a
little cliffhanger of it. Why should we believe if we have no fossil records of it? The Earth
has been through just as much as humans have. The Earth itself. I mean, I don't know that
I believe that literally there was as much crazy life diversity as like, in a Tolkien book or
something. But we know that Neanderthals lived on the same planet. We know that Neanderthals
and Denisovans and humans coexisted. We know that the Hobbit people of Indonesia, I forget
what their classification term is, but they're like the little peoples, basically. They're
another branch off. They're like four foot humans or whatever. They coexisted. So already we've
got. Neanderthals, which are basically like big humans. Yep. More. Big, muscular, strong,
fast. Bigger brain. Better for, yeah, bigger brain. You got Denisovans, which look totally
different. Then you got these hobbit people. And you got anatomically modern humans all
walking around the same earth at the same time. Yeah, and there was that other one that was.
But that looks not too crazy far off from like a Tolkien story. Yeah, exactly. You got like
hobbit-like things. Neanderthals who look orc like in a sense where they've got like this
these features that aren't exactly human Right and just like the orcs look they look human
like but they're not exactly human All right, like we don't know the physical makeup We know
what the bones look like of Neanderthals, but we don't know what their skin when they actually
Dense yeah Like
we know that they were Better at doing the things to survive
Yeah, like they were just they were they were stronger than us for damn sure for damn sure
Yeah, there was that recent why files episode on it, dude? That was such a good episode I'm
gonna all make sure to link that cuz that's a great episode The wife house is a great YouTube
channel and everybody should check it out anybody who listens to our podcast and loves this kind
of stuff They dive into a lot of different types of conspiracy theories and whatnot In fact,
I might test out my new set up here. Well, yeah, we're going to take a break here in a second.
But during our break, I'll try and queue up that portion of that Y-Files episode where
he describes the Neanderthals. The Neanderthals, yeah, let's do that. They do a good job of
putting you in the moment and describing stuff. So maybe we'll open with that. That's a good
idea. Let's do that. Let's just go ahead and start the break now. Might as well. OK, cool.
Well, we will be back in just a few minutes. Yeah, we're at the end of the chapter. Might
as well cue it up. Cool.
you
I'm excited for this. This is our first time trying this. Yeah, so on the topic of what
we were just talking about with all these different species coexisting, and it's sort of looking
like a Tolkien-esque world. Mm-hmm. This is a little snippet from an episode of the Y Files.
This is their YouTube channel, which I'll link to. This is the episode, Humans vs. Superhumans,
when monsters were real and we almost went extinct. Yeah, and this episode dropped just in mid-January.
So it's only about a month old. So it's a great one. You should go back and watch it. Definitely.
But yeah, check out this little snippet to get an idea. You are not who you think you are.
Well, you're human. But we homo sapiens weren't the first type of humans. Just 50,000 years
ago, various species of humans shared the planet with us at the same time and they were everywhere.
Denisovans settled in Russia. Florisiansis traveled all the way to Indonesia. Lusinensis traveled
through Asia and all the way down through the Philippines. And of course, there's us, homo
sapiens. We evolved in Africa. then moved into the Arabian Peninsula and spread to other parts
of Asia, Australia, Europe and the Americas. In time, homo sapiens would colonize every
habitable region on Earth. But that would take thousands of years because there was something
or someone standing in the way of our progress. Another species of human, a species of human
that was stronger, faster and more adaptable to extreme environments. This fearsome and
fearless warrior species was the Neanderthal. Neanderthal was not the dumb bumbling caveman
you were taught in school. They were intelligent, had spoken language. They built large family
groups that organized into tribes that then organized into villages. They conquered fire.
They created art. They created music. They created tools. But their specialty was creating weapons.
This species of superhuman warriors conquered Europe easily. They crossed the English Channel
and conquered Britain. The warm coasts of the Mediterranean too were theirs. For five. Yeah,
so it goes on to, this whole episode goes on to detail the war between Neanderthals and
Homo sapiens for our survival. Yeah, and we eventually won out. Yeah. But there is also
a mixture of Neanderthal, the idea of, like we were just talking about, the mixture of.
falling in love or at least reproducing with other creatures that are similar and that you
could reproduce with. Humans still have Neanderthal DNA within us. And Denisovan DNA. So there's
obviously interbreeding going on between these early humanoid creatures. And if you believe
this account or this idea that Neanderthals might have been... you know, this warlike species
that terrorized humanity or terrorized all living creatures, it directly links back to what was,
what we talked about earlier. Right. Like the Titans. So even if you don't believe like as
the secret history wants, like, is like asking you to consider, like even if you don't believe
that it's like half human, half animal hybrids, and if you don't believe that there's like,
unicorns and crazy dragon creatures. Like, still, you have to contend with the fact that there
was multiple versions of humanity, multiple human-like species that all coexisted at once
and were essentially competing with each other for survival. Yeah. Well, and eventually, they
coexisted for a time. But of course, like any society today, they have conflict. Right. There's
always gonna be conflict. There's always gonna be border issues, right? There's never a perfect
society. Even with the Denisovans and the Florensiensis, these hot-bellied creatures, humans also probably
had a hand in their demise outside of the Neanderthals. It wasn't... all just this like perfect world
of everybody coexisting. Like otherwise you'd have these different species on the earth still
today. They'd all still be here, right. You know, like, and this is going back to that
idea of like egotism and like the beginning of that and like knowing that these, all these
creatures had it because they're human like, right? These are like the precursors to humanity
which is like the ultimate thought of what is to be on earth. Yeah, yeah. And whether that
was the Neanderthals in the end or us, you know, it's obvious within the story, right? Within
Mark Booth's story of the history of the secret history of the world. Like the idea is that,
like, they had an idea of what was to be created and what they wanted to create. And if there
was, like, and the idea that we just covered, like, the first incarnations of humans was
apes, because humans were just so ready to, like the spirit of humans that they initially
incarnated was into apes, because they were just so ready to go and experience, that they
jumped into these ape-like beings and formed conscious, and gave their consciousnesses to
these ape-like beings. That's like, that kind of explains like this, Like, there's the missing
link idea, right? Like this idea that there's no real link between apes and us. But there's
all these other neanderthals and all these other creatures that also incarnated at the same
time. And once the human form was created, the homo sapien, I guess, in this idea, or maybe
multiple, right? Maybe there was multiple, like all these different species. That's when all
the spirits of what was to be conscious on the earth formed, but then there was egotism from
Saturn and Venus and all these different gods that gave us all these less than great characteristics,
but still part of our human being and still part of our condition. We have to accept that.
We have to accept the duality of our nature. Yeah. Looking back, it's just fascinating to
think about. I don't know if we're going to get into this next chapter, because this is
a fascinating topic all on its own. But do we still have more on this chapter, or that's
the end? That was the end of this chapter. We can get into it a little bit, at least.
Sawyer's moving around a bit. We'll see if he settles. Looks like he'll settle. But yeah,
so we'll at least start this next chapter. It's chapter six of the Secret History of the World.
The assassination of the Green King, Isis and Osiris, the cave of the skull and the palladium.
So, yeah, we'll at least get through this introductory and give people an idea and we'll talk about
it a bit. But, in the period described by the myths of Olympus, gods walked among humans,
but the history of the last god to rule as king of the earth is recorded in its fullest versions
in Egyptian rather than Greek tradition.
The Egyptians unquestionably believed that their most important god had once walked among them,
led them into battle, and ruled them wisely and well. Herodotus described a visit to the
shrine where Osiris was said to be buried. Gigantic stone obelisks stand in the courtyard, and
there is a circular artificial lake next to it. It is on this lake at night that the Egyptians
act out the mysteries. that celebrates the death and resurrection of the being whose name I
dare not speak. I know what goes on, but say no more." Fortunately, we can supplement these
teasing accounts with the history of Osiris as told by Herodotus' near contemporary Plutarch,
an initiate priest of the Oracle of Delphi, I have used Plutarch's accounts as a basis
weaving in additional material from other sources. We have to start by imagining a world at war,
ravaging by roaming monsters and wild animals again. Yeah. The same idea that you know. Like
wild things and, you know, Neanderthals and other beings like us, right? Right. Osiris
was a great... We have to start by imagining... Oh, that's all right. Osiris was a great hunter,
a beastmaster, remembered as Orion, the hunter in Greek mythology.
And Hearn Hunter in Norse mythology, and a great warrior, he cleared the land of predatory beasts.
Right? He was one of the human champions, right? That helped clear the land of these beasts
that were plaguing them. A great warrior. But this great warrior's downfall came not in combat
with
or on the battlefield, but because of the enemy within. Returning from another military campaign,
Osiris was welcomed back by cheering crowds by the populace who loved him. The reign of
Osiris, though constantly under attack from outside the country, would be remembered as
a golden age, and it was an age of domestic as well. His name is connected with insemination.
Osirian, meaning semen, and what we today call the belt of Orion, is a euphemism in ancient
times. It was a penis that became erect as the year progressed. These things should alert
us to the fact that there is a strong sexual current in the history that follows. Osiris
accepted an invitation from his brother Seth. to a gala dinner to celebrate victory. Some
said Osiris had been sleeping with beautiful dark-skinned Nephthys, wife of Seth, and sister
of his own wife, Isis. Did this provide Seth with the motive for murder? He may not have
needed one. The clue to Seth's Animosity is contained in his name. He was an envoy of Satan.
After dinner, Seth announced a game. He made a beautiful chest, something like a coffin,
but fashioned out of cedar and inlaid with gold, silver, ivory, and lapis lazuli. Whoever fitted
most neatly in this chest, he said, could take it away. One by one, guests tried. but they
were too fat, too thin, too tall, too short. Finally, Osiris stepped in and lay down. "'It
fits,' he cried. "'Fits me like the skin I was born in.' But his pleasure at winning was cut
short as Seth slammed down the lid. Seth's hammered in nails filled every crack with molten lead,
the metal of Satan. Then Seth and his followers carried the chest down to the banks of the
Nile and cast it into the waters. Osiris wasn't immortal, and Seth knew he couldn't kill him,
but he could, he believed, get rid of him for good. The chest floated down the Nile for several
days and nights, eventually washing ashore on the coast of what we now call Syria. A tender
young tamarisk tree growing on the coast of the Nile. Excuse me. Growing there, wrapped
the chest in its branches, and eventually grew all around it, and closing it lovingly and
protectively in its trunk. In time, this tree became famous for its splendor, and the king
of Syria had it chopped down and fashioned into a pillar, stood in the center of his palace.
In the meantime, Isis separated from Osiris. and deposed from her throne, cut her hair,
blackened her face with cinders, and wandered the surface of the earth, searching tearfully
for her beloved husband. After a while, she took a job as a servant girl at the court of
a foreign king. That same Syrian king. Yep. But Isis never gave up. never gave up hoping
to find her man. And one day, her magic powers led her to see Osiris clairvoyantly in the
chest inside the tree, in the middle of the very palace where she was working. The Palace
of the Syrian King. Isis revealed her true identity as the queen, as the queen, and it persuaded
the king to chop down the pillar and let her take the chest away. She left by boat and landed
on the island of Chemis in the Nile Delta. There she intended to use her magic arts to reveal
her husband. But Seth had magic powers too. He and his evil cohorts were hunting by moonlight
and in a vision, Seth suddenly saw Isis cradling Osiris. While she lay sleeping, he swooped
down upon the loving
To make sure this time, he attacked Osiris with savage glee, hacking him into 14 different
pieces and he then had hidden in secret
in different places, corners of the land. So the widowed Isis had set out on her travels
again. It should be known that Freemasonic readers will perhaps be aware that they call themselves
sons of the widow, partly as a mark of their participation in her quest. So the Freemasons
are part of the quest of Isis to restore the body of Osiris? Yep. Isis wore seven veils
to disguise herself from Seth's minions and was aided by Nephthys. She also loved Osiris.
She was the wife of the king of the gods. Seth, Nephthys.
Isis wore the seven veils right. Osiris now turned herself into a dog to find and dig up
the parcels of Osiris' corpse. They retrieved all of them except the penis, which had been
eaten by the fish in the Nile. Another more fish. Was that Owanis?
Maybe. They arrived at an island in Abydos. in southern Egypt. And there at night, Isis
and Nephthys bandaged all the remaining parts together using a long winding piece of white
linen, the first mummy. Finally, Isis fashioned a penis out of gold and attached it. She was
not able to bring him wholly back to life, but she revived Osiris sexually so that she was
able to hover, touching him gently and delicately while she enveloped his penis in the form of
a bird, until he ejaculated. In this way she impregnated herself on him. And in the same
way Horus, the new master of the universe, was conceived."
I've been fascinated by Egyptian mythology for so long. But yeah, it's just so, it's so like...
Um, like it's just got so much imagery involved and it's all so like.
Like, none of it really makes sense, you know, if you were to think about it, like, you know,
normally. Literally. Literally, exactly. Realistically. But there's so much metaphor, and there's so
much to be, like, learned about and to, like, understand about it. There's some interesting
building blocks in there that seem to repeat themselves, too. The setting Osiris down the
river sounds a lot like, was it Moses that got sent down the river? In the Bible.
And...
What other elements in there? Well, the hacking into pieces. That sounds. Can't place it, but
that like rings a bell for something else that I'm comparing it to. Mm-hmm.
It's almost like the Olympians hacking the titans down into pieces and throwing them and scouting
them around in the underworld.
Does he talk about the symbolism of that? A little bit, yeah. He goes on to say, what the
hell does all this mean? How can we decode it? On one level, it seems to represent the seceding
of one constellation by another in the procession of the equinoxes, Horace deposes Seth and supplants
him. On another level, perhaps the most obvious one, it is a fertility myth. about the yearly
cycle of the seasons. The appearance of the star Sirius on the horizon after months of
being hidden was a sign to the ancient Egyptians that Osiris would rise again shortly afterwards,
and that the inundation of the Nile was due. Myths of the resurrected god-king were told
all around the world from Tammuz and Marduk to the Fisher King stories associated with
Parseval and the King Arthur cycle. They follow the same pattern. The King is fatally wounded,
typically in the genitals, and while he lies suffering, the land stays barren. Then, in
the spring, a magical operation is performed and he rises again. So, yeah, it goes on to
talk about how, like, just as a symbolism of the times and the era that they're in, like,
you know, like these are all obviously historical teachings and tellings, like they're, like
they knew at the time that telling a story, a fascinating story, is the most, is the best
way to actually get the point across of what's going on. But it's so esoteric. that the layman,
the person that's not doing any of the actual reading, the person that's just hearing it,
isn't going to get it. They're not going to know what's going on here. They're not going
to know that it's a procession of the equinoxes and that there are cycles going on the earth.
Yeah. And it goes on, and I'll read this bit too, just because we got a little bit of time
still. To get to the truth of it, we now... We now need to look at a similarly bizarre
and disturbing story from the Greek myths. We know that Plutarch from, that in antiquity,
sorry. We know from Plutarch that in antiquity Osiris, the last God-King to rule the earth
was equated with Dionysus, the last King of the Olympic Gods. The last of the Olympic Gods,
sorry. The sources disagree on the subject. of Dionysus' parentage, some say his father
was Hermes, others Zeus, all agree that the little god's mother was Mother Earth. And that,
as with Zeus, she hid the infant Dionysus in a cave. Dionysus, like Zeus, represents the
evolution of a new form of consciousness, and again, the Titans were determined to nip it
in the bud. Again, we see that the Titans are consciousness eaters. Dionysus, like Zeus,
represents the evolution of a new form of consciousness. I had to sort of that. They smeared their faces
with white gypsum to conceal their identity as the black-faced sons of the crow god. They
didn't want the frightened Dionysus as they lured him. They didn't want to frighten Dionysus
as they lured him from the cradle hidden in the niche of the back of the cave. Suddenly
the Titans fell on Dionysus, tearing him into pieces. They flung these pieces into a boiling
cauldron of milk. They tore the meat from the bones with their teeth. Meanwhile, Athena had
stolen into the cave unnoticed and she snatched away the goat boy's heart. before it could
be cooked. She took this to Zeus, who cut open a hole in his thigh, inserting the bardy part
in and sewed it up again. After a while, Athena, just as Athena had sprung fully formed from
the head of Zeus, the reborn Dionysus sprang fully grown from Zeus's thigh. Again, going
back to the Parthenogenesis aspect of it all. Yeah. In order to understand that... But that's
also like a resurrection tale within it, which is cool. Yeah. And as far as the historical,
the secret history part goes, in order to understand the historical reality behind this mystery
in the parallel story of Osiris, it is necessary to remind ourselves that in this account of
the history of the universe, matter was only precipitated out of the cosmic mind. over very
long periods and was only very gradually developing towards the sort of solidity we are familiar
with today. It is also as well to remind ourselves again that although we may view of the great
figures of myths, both gods and humans, as having anatomically, or as being anatomically like
our own, it is only however, or only how they appear in the eye of the imagination. Right.
So again, this is all imagery, you know, like to suggest, like to get us to understand that
this is non-human like stuff. Like this is pre-human stuff still going on. So this is I wonder,
is this all taken to mean like sort of the origin of like seasons on the earth then? Or is it
meant? It sounds like he's also saying it has to do with the change of consciousness as well.
Yeah, it's almost similar. I'm not picking up all the symbology for what that change of consciousness
represents. In what way is consciousness changing in that? I think maybe consciousness is changing
to understand that there are cycles upon the earth that directly affect us. Yeah, okay.
the human-like proto-humans at the time are a subject to this non-physical changing of
the universe, right? Like we are directly, you know, as above, so below. It's like this constant
idea of like, as things change above, things will change down here. And our consciousness
is directly linked to the changing of what's going on Earth. And that Earth is directly
changed by what's going on in the cosmos. The humans have a link to Earth. Earth has a link
to the cosmos. The cosmos has a link to the universe, and so on and so on until you get
to the original thought. Right, but I guess, like, specifically these stories, the story
of Osiris, the story of Dionysus here, like, what do those specifically, like, what sort
of change in consciousness do those represent at the moment? Yeah, I think it continues on,
but I don't know if we want to pick it up again on the next episode, but... Unless... Do you
see it right there? Not specifically, but we can finish at least on this part. The world
looked very different to the physical eye that were evolving at this time. This was still
the world recorded in the metamorphosis of the initiate poet Ovid, when the anatomical forms
of humans and animals were not fixed as they are now. A world of giants, hybrids, and monsters.
the most anatomically advanced humans were evolving the two eyes that we have today. But the lanterns
of Osiris, the third eye, still protruded from the middle of the forehead where the bone of
the skull had not yet hardened. Gradually, though, matter became denser and the more important
point to bear in mind here is that despite the fact that matter was precipitated from mind,
it was alien from mind. To the extent that matter hardened, it became a greater barrier to the
free flow of cosmic mind. Yeah, so it's basically talking about how like, our consciousness is
being changed because we are being lesser and lesser. We are having lesser and lesser. actual
understanding of what's going on in the cosmos as the human form hardens further and further.
So all these things are happening in the cosmos to change things on Earth and the Earth is
hardening and because the Earth is hardening we are hardening in our in our third eye the
pineal gland this lantern is hardening and crystallizing and we're becoming less and less able to understand
what's going on out there. Right, in the sort of spirit realms. Yeah, so I think that's kind
of what you're searching for a little bit. Yeah, so maybe that sort of death and rebirth is
like a death and rebirth into a new consciousness of more physical, less. More materialistic
and less spiritual. Yeah. It's fascinating.
Right, because whichever god it is ripped into pieces you're reconstructing from, yeah. And
you don't have all the parts, right? You don't have this sexual gland that they're talking
about, this sexual organ, which is, if you were to think about it, it's like the generation
of. The future, really. The sexual organ is like, we know it in our human form, that's
our future. Creating another life form and teaching it the ways of your life and the ways of the
world. This cosmic sexual act is the same way. We read Neil deGrasse Tyson's quote before.
You know, like the death of a star is the birth of an entire solar system, basically. Right.
Cool.
I love this book, man. I could do this all day. This chapter, yeah, I struggled with that one
a little bit. Yeah, no, these two chapters are very esoteric. Totally. They definitely want
you to like... You have to work for the symbolism a lot more. And I don't know that we nailed
it down either, but I think that we're getting into it a little bit. Yeah. Well, cool. It's
been a fun one. I'm excited for our next one. I started about halfway into that Chris Blitz
interview. So I'm excited for us to talk about it. So far, so good. I see what you're saying.
He doesn't. come off, like he doesn't set off my BS meters. Not, not, not really. At least
not super glaringly as far as I've gotten into it so far, so I'm excited to keep looking at
his music. He continues that for the rest of it too. I think you'll enjoy it. And I think
it's gonna be, and he's been doing this for so long, right? But he's not, like there's
a reason we haven't heard of him, at least we haven't discovered his whole story yet. Yeah.
And we're super into the topic, but we haven't like, there's a reason for that. And I don't,
he's definitely a fascinating character. Heck yeah. Well, cool. Yeah. Thanks for listening.
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