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I'm Drew. And I'm Dean. Welcome back for episode 10. Dude, that's so crazy. We made it to a
decade. Yeah. Man, it doesn't feel like it's. 10 is two and a half months of recording weekly.
I mean, plus or minus like our preemptive recording and our week off last week. Drew being a little
sick. Yeah, you'll probably still hear a little bit of my voice here and there, but yeah, it
was pretty much useless last week. Couldn't talk. Yeah. I stayed at home with the boys
and me and, uh, me and Rachel took some time, just alternating days with the boys basically.
But yeah, we're back. My voice sounds better. And we're going to see if we can gain back
our pre-recording lead. So we're going to try and like knock out two recordings this week.
We'll see about that. Yeah, we'll see. Based on the topics, and that might be the thing.
Yeah, we need to find some one of the topics that I feel comfortable to kind of riff on,
and I don't feel that I need a bunch of pre-research just to have fun talking about it. Mm-hmm.
Yeah, UFOs is always a good one. We could always fall back on UFOs. Yeah, that's true. Honestly,
I think in the next day or so, you should just look into the Chris Bledsoe stuff. You've been
saying that and we've actually, who was it who wrote in and asked about it? It was Andrew?
Yeah, a buddy of ours. And he was specifically asking what we thought of that. Yeah, yeah.
And at the time I hadn't ever really looked into him. I had been seeing his name pop up
everywhere. Right, me too. But I hadn't like. taken in any of the material. So my buddy sent
that to us and I was like, all right, I'm gonna check it out because I've definitely heard
the name thrown around in the UFO community, like in different videos and in different stuff
that I was reading or listening to, like the blood, so name had been brought up. Just a
sneak peek of what it's kind of a, or at least like what gives him, just the basics is he's
had, so back. In 2007, I think, is when he had his initial UFO experience. And he was kind
of at this place in life where he was really down. Financially, things were going bad. So
he's taken this fishing trip with a couple of employees of his and one of his sons. And they
were at this place that they go a lot of the time. It's at this dead end street that kind
of goes right to a little river, lake, not a lake, but a little river that they like to
fish at. And he, like I was saying, he's at this point in his life where he's really having
struggles. And so instead of fishing, he just kind of lets the guys, he's kind of paying
for the thing, like the whole, it's kind of like a bonus for the guys because they're employees
of his. And it's like the end of the week, they just got paid and he's taking them out. He's
just trying to show them a good time. Yeah, exactly, exactly. So he takes them out, gets
them on their truck, takes them out to this river. And he's like, all right, guys, I'll
have fun. I'm just going to kind of like wander. And he kind of wanders up and gets to this
plateau field at the top of this little kind of ridge. And he sees these orbs. What he described
is like a 40 foot orb. So the entire orb was like 40 foot wide. And he saw like three of
them, I think is what he said. And he just got super scared and didn't know what to do. So
he kind of froze and was like, was like hiding, like trying to hide in like this tall brush.
And anyways, he makes his way back down to the group and they were like scrambling. They're
like, where you been? Like, where you been by the time he got back? And his son was not there.
It was just the other guys that were his employees. Missing time? And yeah, so like, they are like,
where you been, man? And he's like, what? I've only been gone for like 15, 20 minutes, you
know, as far as he was. was concerned, that's what it felt like to him. And they were freaking
out. And then they were like, he was like, where's my son? And his son had gone off to find him
in a direction that he had initially gone off, like the Chris Bledsoe guy. His son is Chris
Jr., I believe, is the one that was with him. He's got multiple kids, but Chris Jr. was off
looking for him. He went in the direction that he first saw his dad go off in. But he came
back a different direction, I guess. And so he goes off to find his son, while the other
two guys are like, oh, I think he had initially told the guys what he had experienced, like,
dude, this is what I saw up there, and I need to go find my son. And he was scared, it was
very scary to him. And then he ends up going down this road, like the dead end that I was
talking about, they were not at the end, but they were halfway up this road or something.
He goes off in that direction, and then he finds his son, I don't know if he describes it as
fetal position, but it kind of feels like it to me. Lowy, he described his son was in this
fetal position, totally scared off into the brush. And apparently his son had also seen
something, like an orb-like thing coming at him. And he hid in this brush that's right
on the edge of these woods to hide away from it. Yeah. And then by the time he gets to it,
or his dad gets there, he's really struggling to like... grasp what just happened. And eventually
they get back, they get in the truck and they just take off. And then, you know, him and
his son get back home and his son is terrified. And I don't remember how old his son was. I
don't know that he said it specifically in this video that I watched, but this is the interview
that he did on Danny Jones' podcast that I listened to. And so his son was really struggling and
They get home and he's terrified and he like goes inside and like turns on all the lights
locks all the doors shuts all the blinds like doesn't want to wants to be able to see everything
but doesn't want anything to be able to get in kind of thing and You know basically from
there, you know They deal with that night and I think they end up going to like some field
Some other things that transpire they hear a noise out at their barn like backside of their
house or something Their dogs are barking So he goes to go investigate this. And then basically
that night is just them being fearful. And they end up getting back in their truck and going
to the middle of this field, wherever that might be. And then they just stayed there for the
rest of the night because they didn't feel safe in their home. Because I think he saw more
orbs. in the woods, like back behind his barn. It wasn't, he thought that somebody was breaking
into his barn, that's what was causing the dogs to bark. So he went and investigated it, but
in reality, the dogs were looking out into the woods and he saw another orb. Yeah. That was
kind of floating around doing this thing. So what do you make of it so far yourself? So.
It goes on a whole nother level from that. Like as the interview goes on, I don't want to get
into it. Because I know he goes into consciousness and God and spirituality and stuff. And all
that type of stuff. Yeah. I mean, my take on it is real. On just, I guess, the sighting
itself and his credibility as a witness. His credibility does seem pretty good. I mean,
so basically five years after this initial sighting, for the next five years, the whole town is
like a small town. totally throws his life upside down. And his entire family talks about it
openly minus like his wife and like a couple of his or one of his sons, I think. I mean,
I think it was actually Chris. Like I think he was the one that struggled with it really
a lot because it was such a traumatic thing for him. But I think he's gotten better is
what they kind of described in the interviews. Like he's been coached, but you know, all in
all I think he's pretty credible. I do think that he saw something and he's experiencing
something. Whether anybody else can experience it to the level he's experiencing, I don't
think that's the case. I don't think that it's something that I can just go and have the exact
same experience as him. I don't think it's necessarily a physical- Based on what you're saying so
far, it seems to fit the sort of classic MO of the high strangeness being entangled with
it. Yep. You know? Yeah, and it actually like it's gonna have a something, you know, similarities.
And I'll maybe I'll bring it up when we get to it. But like this idea of like, like panpsychism
and like the idea that like people and everybody's experience is different based on like their
chemical makeup or their past or their, you know, history. I don't know. It's a fascinating
stuff. And I, I mean, I really do think that he's experiencing something and Like the spiritual
nature of it is kind of hard to believe. Like the way some of the stuff he talks about is
like, it's hard to believe cause it's just, you can't experience it to the level. But he
even like took Danny Jones out the night before their podcast to a beach where they saw orbs.
And like supposedly now he's gained permission from the entities that are contained within
these orbs to show people and to let them experience it as well. but they're not experiencing what
he's experiencing. They're experiencing the orbs. Right. Like they're the UFO kind of aspect
of it. But that's kind of just like the base layer of it. Not the like consciousness interaction
type. Yeah. Like they're not getting the messages that he's receiving. But also there was the
History Channel was doing the Beyond the Skinwalker. And they brought him out. to some wooded area,
I don't know if it was on Skinwalker Ranch or not, but they hooked him up to a ECG machine.
And it's kind of like a high tech one now, like where they don't have to like shave his head
and like put probes on it. They just have like a little makeshift, like a helmet thing with
like, you know, they still have to like get it programmed to him basically. They do like
base baseline tests to make sure that what he is, what they're seeing is what's give being
You know, they just did a baseline basically to find out what his brain looks like normally
and like when he's having a conversation and like visually when things are stimulating him
and stuff. And they basically said, go do your thing, go see the orbs, go point them out to
us. Like, go lay out far enough where you can't hear us what we're talking about when we're
looking at these brain waves. And basically he looks up and just starts pointing. And he's
like, there's one. Like he doesn't say, they say just point. And they start seeing his brain
light up. Like visually, they start seeing his brain as if he's having a conversation. Like
as if he's receiving and communicating back to something. His brain is showing those waves
and all he's doing is like sitting out all by himself, not talking, just like pointing it
to the things he's seeing. And they do show up on camera. The orbs specifically. Like you
see the orb. But his brain is telling you that something more than just the visual aspect
is happening. Like he's receiving some kind of signal. Yeah. And he's responding to it
as well. So it's definitely fascinating. And he's not like, he's obviously not because we've,
I mean, obviously we haven't seen his stuff. So he can't be like somebody that's just like,
oh, I'm like the ultimate UFO guy. And like everybody should like, he's not seeking that
attention. Yeah, that's more like trying to get his message out. That's kind of more of
a... That's kind of the sniff test I usually go for. Yeah. There are certain people in the
UFO culture who seem to be asking and trying to garner attention. Right. And trying to essentially
like... set the record straight for everyone as to like how things are. Right, right, right.
He doesn't seem to be doing that. Like get followers and whatnot. Yeah, he doesn't seem to be doing
that. That always gives me pause when I run into that sort of attitude or feel from someone.
So Stephen Greer always gives me pause for that reason. Same. Yeah, I don't... Stephen Greer...
But his message is actually in line with a lot of the sort of high strangeness stuff that
he... that I take more seriously about the phenomenon. It's just. It could also be a personality thing.
Like it could be a trait. It's the way it goes about it. Yeah. It could be a personality trait.
Some people are just more of that sort of self-promoter type of personality anyway. And it could be
that case for him. Yeah. He also did a pretty huge service back in the day with his disclosure
project and all the. Mm-hmm. To get a lot of information out. National press club interviews
with all of the military personnel. Like that stuff is some pretty groundbreaking stuff back
in the day. Yeah, I think maybe that stuff got to its head because people started giving him
some sort of notoriety, right? So like, there's a mixture of like, How people respond to notoriety
in the game. And like, Chris is getting notoriety and dude, he's like befriended some of the
highest people, like CIA people. He's, you know, this is what usually would give me pause, like
make me like look at it. That does give you pause. But he also is like very, like he knows
a lot of people like, But he was never like a CIA asset, like as far as we know, you know?
Like his whole life, he's just been a contractor, he's been building homes and then he has this
experience and then the people start coming to him and asking him questions once he tells
his story. So like the people that, like Hal Putoff is like a family friend of his, like
all of his kids know, they went to like big events in their family. And like he was...
interviewing their entire family like separately trying to really like you know find out whether
they're telling the truth and then once he got to the point where like they're all kind of
telling the same story. from their own point of view. And they're not just, they don't have
just this coagulated story that's been rehearsed, you know? And then he just became a family
friend and you would visit him and like, he was going to there for Thanksgiving and stuff.
Like just became a part of the family. And there's other people that, you know, we'll cover it
because I think we're gonna, I wanna watch the other episode with his son, Ryan. His daughter
was on the episode with him. Emily, she also was on this was on the episode with Chris.
Yeah, the dad he was on this. She was on the same episode on Danny Jones podcast. But I
also want to like read some of the like the old news stuff that came out like around the
time that a lot of these stories are coming out and like, really dive into a story on the
whole case myself. So you should definitely at least watch that interview and then maybe
Ryan's interview and but yeah, no, it's fascinating stuff. And honestly, I do think something is
there's something there whether it's you know as dramatic of like because he gets into a
lot of like um like even they like he claims to and his family and other people around him
claim to have seen him heal people so like you know and there's a lot of like profit stuff
in there like where he's been chosen to like tell the story and to like help humanity like
gain it like going into this new age. Oh, prophet, like prophetic, not prophet, like dollar builds.
Right, right, right. He's prophetic as far as these entities are using him to spread the
message that this new age is coming of prosperity and peace. There's going to be, and the story
is basically that he's telling, he's trying to let people know that we're going to go through
some weird times and some hard times. which a lot of the stuff that supposedly, I haven't
read the articles, but I want to, is like that he's talked about. These are some of the things
that are happening nowadays, like in today's age, like these are some of these weird times,
these hard times that going into the next era is going to change. So there's definitely some
things that I want to take. I'll have to check it out for myself, because like, once you start
prophesying, like, hard times, weird times. I needed to be a little more specific. If that
is the extent of the conversation that you and I are talking about, because you haven't checked
it out. I haven't checked it out either, yeah. If it's that nebulous, it will be, well, anyone
can say that. It's pretty clear we live in strange times. Right, you definitely want some more
specific things. Otherwise, it's not really that credible. But yeah. Yeah, so back to...
That also is like, kind of like the first layer of like giving off that sense of like self
promotion. Cause once you start making predictions, people start going to you for information.
Yeah. And that kind of like builds a community around you. Yeah. And as far as I know, like
he has some people kind of become like professional UFO witnesses, you know, where like interviews,
they get books, they get talks at UFO seminars all over the country and the world and they
can semi make an income. in a living just off of being a UFO witness. Yeah. Yeah, I mean,
and those are the things. He definitely has been invited to a lot of those things because
of his story. He's been invited to a lot of these conferences. He's talked at some of them.
Just because you're involved in that stuff doesn't necessarily mean you're a grifter or anything.
Well, and he also said a lot of these things he accepted. He accepted to do a History Channel
thing. But then it turned out that it was a waste. was the opposite of what he wanted.
They completely changed his words, and they completely gave it no context. So he stopped
doing that kind of stuff, and he is more doing interviews, like these two-hour long interviews,
where you can see his face, and you can watch him talk about the entire story, and you can
come to your own conclusion instead of just snippets of it and trying to hone in on a specific.
But. And in general, too, I want to check out a story, but also in general, I try not to
rest anything on one case in particular. Because any one person, you could be misjudging. True.
Any one person could. Even the whole family. You could have like, they can all have a source.
It's more about the larger data, the trends,
the big numbers that for me are what make me take pause and take it seriously because you
have to come up with some way that like tons and tons of people are freaking like going
insane in a similar way or that there's maybe something going on. I'm sure there's other
options, but yeah, that gives me, it's the numbers and the trends that give more credibility for
me. Yeah, the thing that gave me- Any one story that gets promoted too hard makes me skeptical.
Yeah. Whether it's Bables are or the Virginia case or- Right, right. And this Blood So stuff
seems like it's starting to become. But it's been so long since the beginning. That's also
the nature of the topic, is that something is going to be the pop topic within the UFO thing
at any given moment. Just like everything in life, right? Yeah, especially if they go on
a lecture circuit, right? They decide they're ready to talk, so then they go on five different
podcasts or do five different interviews. It seems like it's compounded into your head.
Someone convinces them to share their story. Right. Even though this started in 2007. You
know? And it's not like right away he was just, I am the prophet and I know all these things
and they've told me these things. Like it was like this really long drawn out thing. And
even over the years, like even as far as late as like 2010, 2011, he was back to the point
of like, I'm done with this stuff. Like stop contacting me and I'm done. You're ruining
my family. My kids are being bullied. And like, you know, he was like, I'm done. And then they
came to him again. And it was a lady that he talked to that came to him. It was an orb that
once this orb got to him, he describes it as this orb, a entity coming out of the orb and
the orb staying within the entity while they're there in his presence. And it came to him as
a bowl at first, and then he turned and moved, and then there was this lady. And he talks
about it a lot in there too, but. So those are like symbols that are kind of biblical in a
sense, or astrological or whatever. And she gives him this message of, you know why this
is happening, you know what we are asking of you, this is your burden to bear and like your
message. And then he changes his mind and it continues. And these are like times in his
life where... I don't know, it's really hard to judge it just from the one interview. I
really want to go back and read it all from the beginning almost as much as we can. But
there's major UFO people from the beginning, like Hal Putoff from the beginning is a central
focus of that. And then there's, I don't know all the names that have to re-listen, but there's
major people that, UFO investigators from different MUFON groups and different groups from all
over the world that came and interviewed his whole family. And And then eventually be you
know didn't find anything that made them uncredible and you know And then there were CIA people
and then but then the whole UFO group was telling him not to Not to trust the government people
because they'll just kill you, you know, or they'll just yeah Yeah, like that's what they
were saying at the time But there were there's you know scaring his fan him and his family
because he was you know He was trying to find a group of people that could understand what
he was going through. Right? And then those are people that, but the government was coming,
like there's no stopping them, they're going to get to you eventually, right? So it's fascinating
stuff. It really is. And it definitely got my thoughts going as far as like what the UFOs
are and what, you know, and this inter-dimensionality of them and like, you know, we'll even talk
about like a little bit of like, we're going to learn about new dimensions today. and what
they might manifest and how that might be. And hearing his story of how they manifest and
how they start as orbs that move around in however they want. And then they manifest in a physical
form, but not physical in the sense of me and you, more of a symbol. It's interesting, very
interesting. But maybe we should, before we go to break, maybe we should introduce the...
The I'm actually excited about that. So I'm excited for that episode because I want to
dive into it and find out more because it really is like just the way they talk about it. Should
do him personally watching him and listening to him is very fascinating because he's not
the flashy like I want to tell everybody my story. He's like super introverted and like
you can tell he's like getting emotional just speaking and like his daughter talks about
how like after all these encounters like he he learned that there's a panpsychist view,
like they have this panpsychist view of the universe where every single living thing has
a consciousness. Yeah. And you don't have any right to kill anything. So now he's like, since
that point when he was learned that lesson that anything that dies, he was a devout hunter,
like he was a big hunter. Now he can't even kill bugs and like he cries when, you know.
he weeps and gets really emotional when he sees things die. Real quick, there is this story,
and this is really cool. They have a video, and they showed it on the podcast of their
tree in their backyard. They call it the burning tree. And it just randomly, actually multiple
times, randomly started burning from the inside out. This was during one of their encounters.
Just. started spontaneously combusting from the inside. You could see the tree just glowing.
And then once the tree kind of breaks up and you see the fire come out of it, it's crazy.
They have a video of that? They have a video of it. OK. There's some crazy, crazy. And even
Danny Jones, he saw all the orbs that they were talking about. Yeah. You really got to get
everybody on board or have some kind of hypnotic thing to really get people. like massively
experiencing these things with you. OK. Anyway. Well, I'll check them out for sure. Definitely
check it out. All right. Well, since we're actually pretty close to a break here, before we do
that, we did actually have one communication. So my buddy Mars, his brother, whose name I
don't have. Jupiter. Is a scientist, and he's been listening to our show because Mars has
been telling him to. What kind of science does he do? According to Mars, something with organic
molecules. Is he like a biologist or something? He's like, ah, something like that. Sure. So
I'm going to read some of these texts. If you are the one we're reading the text from, please
email us. Yeah, if you don't want to use your name, that's fine. But we want to know your
name. Yeah. But I would like to know what you do for a living as well. Yes, yes, yes. Anyway,
so this is going to be kind of broken up. This is like, Mars and his conversation with his
brother about our podcast. And then he's sending you messages from his brother about our podcast?
Yeah, yeah. I was like, can you send me those? And so this is kind of weirdly broken up because
at a certain, like, when you talk with someone over text, you'll be talking about something,
and then all of a sudden you're talking about something else, and then you're back talking
about one thing. So it's kind of broken up because of that. All right. Anyway, he says, I'm listening
to their first podcast episode as I'm working is cracking me up to hear their perspective
of what science is. So essentially a scientist performing science is listening to a podcast
explaining science. I like the irony. From listening to the first episode, your friends don't understand
science publication and how research and science is conducted. The least political and most
unbiased funding of science endeavors today is probably the Catholic Church. Then industry,
then private groups, then self-funding, then academia, and then at the very bottom is government
funding. Sure, sure. So. Maybe nowadays. I would like to talk to him about that or pick his
brain on that because I find that fascinating. Yeah, if that's his view on like if the Catholic
Church funding is the least or is the most unbiased. It's the least strings attached, the least
like politically motivated, like the least biased. Yeah. Okay. Is the way he says it here. Least
political, least biased. Interesting. Which honestly, that's not too far off what we're
saying. Makes sense to a degree because like the modern Catholic Church, and the reason
I don't remember that exact moment in the first episode where we're sort of accusing the Catholic
Church. That was more of like a historical thing. We were talking about the history. Historically,
the Catholic Church had a lot to gain from like. Yeah. pushing science and the story in one
way or the other. In today's society, I don't think the modern Catholic church necessarily
has much to gain from doing that. They can only lose reputation and trust. And I don't know
that we specifically talked about the modern Catholic church though either. By trying to
fund biased science in one way or the other. And I haven't, I've only actually heard good
things about the Catholic church and their endeavors in science. That they're pretty open-minded
you know, the way the world works. Well, yeah, and they've accepted UFOs and like, right?
They've haven't they accepted a. You know, I don't know. They've they've said, but I don't
know the quote, but I remember they're open to like modern cosmology's explanations for
the source of the universe. Yeah. For them, like God is still the prime mover. Sure. And
he set this clockwork. magical universe into being. So for them, funding science is like
learning God's process of creation. Right, right. Or at least how it unfolded. Regardless of
what it tells you. Yeah, because it's still not going to tell you what the initial like
spark of it all was. But the interesting point, and I think is where we agree, is academic
and government funding being the most biased on that other end of the spectrum, being the
more biased and more politically attached. Yeah, I mean, I feel like, yeah, other than the Catholic
Church, and I think we still are pretty much on par with that, is I do think that industry
is probably one of the least biased, but... It depends on the industry and on the science.
And what the science is. Yeah, exactly. So like, for instance, like, there's notorious examples,
like the sugar industry with funding things about nutrition and diet.
There's obviously the pharmaceutical industry, and there's the cigarette companies, the tobacco
companies. There has been some pretty major examples of particular industries funding science
in their own way. But that isn't. That doesn't cover all of it. It's also not necessarily
fair to blanket saying industry funding science. Yeah, that's true. It's examples. That's true.
He goes on to say, by the way, your friend's podcast episode on economics was surprising
to me. I didn't expect to talk on the Austrian school and them to have a libertarian economic
perspective. It was simple enough for regular folks to grasp too, which was nice. So thanks
for that. Yeah, that's good to know. He says, I'm trying to get through your boys cast episode
about secret societies, but I've been out of California too long. It's been years since
I had a drum circle. Ha ha ha. I like that. And then their conversation kind of breaks
off into, from what you're seeing here, they breaks off in weird conspiratorial stuff. He
talks about some podcast guy who's just discovering that lead has effects on radio waves and is
talking about how. They used to paint the rooms in lead and how that has effects on cell phone
signals. And anyways, it was like really weird conspiracy thinking about like 5G and lead
paint and all that stuff. And anyway, I hope he doesn't lump us in too much with that guy.
Cause yeah, I mean, no, anything about that. There's all sorts of ways I do know. Oh man,
there's, there are people. I've seen people online who will sell you a quote unquote safe
5G routers or ways to modify your home wifi to make it safe. And they basically sell you
a Faraday cage to put your home router in, which essentially just makes your router not work.
I was gonna say, doesn't it just block all the signals? Just blocks all the microwaves. So
if you're worried about the microwaves affecting your body, you can. put your router in something
like that, or you can put it in a box and paint it in lead, and it'll block the signal. Yeah,
but it also won't work. Just get an outdoor router and put it on your roof. If they make
them, if you're worried about it. Not to say that some people who are conspiracy minded
about routers, there is something that I have never gotten to the bottom to, of with. 5G
and specifically the frequencies of microwaves that are being used. Some of them are specifically
resonant with water molecules, which can cause weird heating and weird effects in the human
body. But that's typically only if you're exposed to a super high level. If you were an operator
working on a tower right in front of it while it's powered on. But not necessarily in smaller
doses. Right. I mean, I'll tell you, my 5G signal phone will burn a hole in my... jeans if it's,
you know, like it gets hot. Oh yeah. I don't know if that's a- Well that's typically the
processor on your phone that's getting hot. You can feel like internally, like your leg
will start like- Oh, oh yeah. Like you start having like a weird feeling in your leg. It's
like it's in your pocket for a long time. If you're doing like heavy uploads or downloads
maybe. Maybe yeah, maybe that's what it was, I don't know. But I remember having like specifically,
and I can almost still feel like a weird- Either way, I know there's, so like for instance,
like in cooking, you have options in cooking if you wanna cook something. Like you have
the option to like go high heat for a short amount of time, and you have the option to
go like really low heat for a very long extended amount of time, and both are valid approaches
for getting something cooked to a temperature. So in theory, that sort of thing should sort
of apply Oh, I see what you're saying. In the same way to like radiation exposure. But I
know like at a certain... Depending on how long you're exposed to it. Yeah, but like you, I
would think you would have to like reach a certain level in order for it to register at all. There
still had to be a threshold. Anyway, it's something I'm ignorant of and I don't actually have big
conspiracy theories about, so. Yeah, I haven't looked into it deeply. Yeah, it keeps going
on like... Yeah, this was the lead thing. Saw a video on the Driftless area, a place in Midwest
which never had glaciers. It's an area I already like visiting, but now I definitely want to
go this summer. Yeah, which is cool. The Driftless area. Yeah, that's an area where the glaciers
didn't come down, which would be interesting geologically. To see the difference, what it
might have, what the area looks like without having had glaciers ever. Crush it, push it
down.
This is back. Talking about the lead stuff. Anyway, we told him we read this, so. Yeah,
please keep it coming. Reach out, yeah. If you're hearing this, please let us know. And then
he sends me this. I don't know why he sends me this. Mars. It's a picture of Somerfet and
it's X-rated. Oh my God. Alright, well, do you want to introduce them? Should we just introduce
them when we come back? Yeah, let's just, I guess, well, I mean, you guys already know
what the topic is, you're reading it on your players. So we'll actually start talking about
it once we come back from break here. We'll be back. We'll be back in a few. And enjoy
Cobwebs. Enjoy.
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Welcome back. We are here. We are ready. So as you guys see from the title. Yeah, well,
first off, no beer review this week. Oh yeah, that's true. I don't know if it'll be this
way going forward, but for me at least, I just started keto. Yeah, and me it was just last
week I was sick. So, and I had a few beers the last few days and I was like, eh. Yeah. I don't
need them. So maybe Drew might be doing some solo beer reviews in the future. I'm going
to be on keto for quite a while, so it'll be a while before I'm drinking again. Yeah, maybe
on Thursday I'll grab myself a little tall boy or something. I'm officially in ketosis already.
I did the blood test too. Yeah, well, they say once you've done it before, because this isn't
my first time doing it, once you've done it before, your body kind of like. gains the skill
of using the ketogenic state. It's that first time you really try and do ketosis that can
take you a while. Sometimes it takes people a couple weeks to achieve it for the first
time. Yeah, I definitely want to start that. It's just hard with boys doing meal prep and
stuff. Yeah, well, I don't do any meal prep. Yeah. But.
I would need to. Yeah. Like I said, the first time is harder. You have to be ready to feed
yourself at any moment because you're not used to dealing with cravings. So a little bit of
meal prep, or at least the type of snack food that'll work. For me, because I've done it
before, I'm pretty used to intermittent fasting and only eating lunch and dinner or only dinner.
So I can just not eat till I get home usually. It's not like a conscious thing, but I do kind
of intermittent fast in a sense of like, I don't ever eat breakfast. And I usually don't, I
usually don't have my lunch until about one. And then I stop eating around. I guess it depends
on if you're having something that to your body. is counted as fasting. So like, for instance,
I used to drink a lot of energy drinks. And that's always a big problem for me putting
on weight. So if you wake up and part of your morning routine is an energy drink, that will
break your fast because of the sugar. That's true. Yeah, that's true. But if you wake up
and just have black coffee, that won't necessarily. Yeah, I definitely. I've been mostly drinking.
I mean, I had. gone on a stand of drinking those organic rock stars, where it's not really organic,
obviously, but it's like cane sugar and green tea for energy instead of like, guarana and
all the other crap that they put in other energy drinks. And lately I've just been on like V8s,
the V8 energy drinks, which is just green tea energy mixed with fruits and veggies and sugar,
obviously. Yeah, no, that's true. I guess it's not necessarily a fast if I have those in the
morning. Yeah. So I'm going hardcore guys. I'm keto, I'm not drinking alcohol, I'm not smoking
weed, and I'm stopping vaping, which I had a huge vaping problem. I was, my nicotine levels
most have been through the roof. And yesterday was my first day, and boy, when I got home
from work, I was like, my head was spinning. I was like, not. Feeling pretty out of it.
Yeah, I ended up cheating and having one of my roommates just one cigarette, and that actually
helped my mind to like, like muck that spinning head feeling to go away. And today I've had
no cravings, no spinning head feeling. And my blood sugar is more regulated today, which
is good. That is good. Yeah, we don't need you passing out. Yeah. Anyway, the topic for the
day is called Einstein's Intuition. And you've been excited about this one. Yeah, so this
is a summer I came across a long time ago, maybe in like 2013-ish. OK, so not too long after
he first posted the videos and came out with his book. Yeah, like it was a little bit old
when I first encountered it, but it was pretty new. Was it like 2010 or something that he
published his book or was it earlier than that? That's a good question. Did you read the book
initially? Was that your first introduction to it? My first introduction was the Vimeo
videos. Oh, those are their first? Which I'll post on the show notes. Vimeo, man. So there's
a part one and a part two. All right, so let's back up. It's this dude named Thad Roberts,
who is a very interesting character. But he came up with this sort of like, alternate theory
of everything. Maybe if you could call it a theory of everything. Probably. It's almost
like a different quantum string theory. It's almost like a different understanding of gravity.
And it does combine quantum stuff with gravity in certain ways. So in certain ways, it's kind
of a theory of everything. Yeah, I guess. You know, basically once you hear it all, it does
sound like a theory of everything. Well, it's definitely a theory of everything that we don't
know. Sure, sure. Kind of, right? Yeah, like in his later stuff, he starts going into like
how you can generate all like nature's constants and stuff based on his model, which definitely
pushes it more into theory of everything territory. Right. But once he gets into that level, the
math goes above my head and I can't follow along. So I can't really comment on that part of it.
But ever since I saw it back then, it gave me a new tool for thinking about how gravity may
work. And it has sort of forever shifted my thinking. And I have yet to hear, so any other
scientists out there who... or hearing this and if you want to comment, I would love to
hear more about it. But I have yet to hear any physicists or anyone comment on this, who doesn't
believe this theory, who actually has taken it any sort of seriously and then comment on
the sort of general idea. Yeah, that's what I want to hear. I've heard people say, oh,
well, his math's not there, and so it's not a real theory. But that's on his YouTube video
comments, and that's not on the videos where he actually does the math. So I don't know
if that's a fair critique anyway. Well, at least the videos that you sent me that I watched,
it's more of a way of visualizing it. It doesn't really go into the math at all. Yeah, so. It's
a way of conceptualizing the ideas. Yeah, so the way he sort of starts out is he sort of
takes you through some of the limitations with modern science's understanding of gravity,
some of the blind spots in modern science, which is some of the stuff we talked about in episode
one. Yeah. So he talks about what so like, what are some of the mysteries? And he says, oh,
like quantum tunneling is a really weird one, where like an electron can like essentially
escape. a boundary that you put it in.
He talks about dark matter. He talks about dark energy. Yeah. That's the one I have the most
confusion about. Dark energy? Yeah. And his theory. Oh, and how his applies to it? Yeah.
I've got a decent grip on how his theory applies to that. He... What else? Well, I guess gravity
itself, like a sort of intuitive understanding of what exactly what causes gravity, what is
gravity. There's still like weird mysteries surrounding that. Depending on like what scientists
you like listen to or hear from or read in today's like society of like science communication
towards the public. You'll either get the interpretation that gravity is the bending of space time Right.
And in which case, you will see this image here. Look at your podcast player, which is like
a flat 2D plane bent down, like a ball sitting on it being stretched. stretched like a trampoline.
Yeah, it's like that video that it's gone around where it's literally a bowling ball on a piece
of fabric that bends it downward. Or like you may have even seen like a physics teacher give
you that demonstration. Right, if you're, yeah. Of like a trampoline and like a bowling ball
and a golf ball. Yeah, rolling it around and showing it a curvature and like how things
move. The problem with that... So that, well, that's one formulation that you'll hear. And
then you'll hear this other formulation, like on the quantum side, where they're like, you'll
hear them saying, like, trying to quantize gravity. Yeah. And you'll hear them saying things like,
looking for a theoretical, like, gravitron. Right, it's this theoretical particle that
like, Yeah, which, what does that mean? It's supposed to be the force of gravity. If gravity
is supposed to be just a distortion of space-time, then what does it mean for it to be a particle?
Like, how do those two ideas coexist, or are those two ideas that are in conflict? And because,
like, modern physics is, like, so fragmented into all of these theories, and no one is,
like, 100% sure, like, which direction is the right one, like, as a layman, it can become
really confusing to take on these ideas and learn about them. But anyway- So how does that
come back to his theory? So the way it comes back to his theory is he tries to, with that
2D plane- That slice of space that they take to where they do that example of gravity. The
idea of that is they're showing you how gravity can bend.
essentially a 2D plane so you slice through the entire universe and you give one 2D plane
slice and then you take a piece of mass that always happens to be a 3D piece of mass. I
was gonna say you place it on top of your 2D thing yeah and that 2D thing starts to bend
in the third dimension right but they don't have a label for that. But what is that third
dimension? Yeah because they don't label it right? Right. So once you switch that metaphor
back to 3D space, if you try and visualize it in 3D, like how can you be bending the 3D space,
like through what? Yeah, in what direction, in what, yeah. What's that axis that it's bending
in? Right. Yep. So how do you take the, how do you do a 3D model of it? Trampoline. sort
of model. I would love to see one. I've heard, I've seen stuff like this here. I'll pull up
a 3D space time curvature.
So you'll see things like this where they're sort of like distortion fields, sort of like
that. So it's all being pulled in around it. Right. Into it. Like a black hole. It's almost
like contracting of 3D space. So for people who aren't looking, well, if you just look
at your player, but if you're not looking at all, the visual or the verbal would be like,
take a 3D wire mesh cube. And that is your grid of 3D space. And then you're sort of stretching,
almost as if something on the inside is sucking in that grid. So basically, I'll try to explain
it. The cube itself is a grid-like structure. But then at the center of it, there is a mass.
It's the mass that's causing the gravity. And then in the cube, each side. of that cube that
we're trying to describe is concave towards the mass. Right. Instead of it being flat on
each side of this box, it's concave towards the mass. Right. So that's a similar way of
showing it to the 2D plane, but it's more of like a 3D-ized way of doing it. But even that
sort of like has limitations like... Hmm. It's hard to, yeah. Anyway, so let's go back to
Thad Roberts and his Einstein's intuition is called quantum space. QST is what he calls
it. I think he calls it quantum space theory. I was going to say, just looking at this image,
it's hard to look at that image and intuitively see how curvature and how things would move
in the way that they are described by science, right? Yeah, I mean, I can sort of see it,
but yeah. All right, so essentially here's what Thad is proposing. He's proposing that, so
he'll do this metaphor.
What if I asked you to, I gave you a chunk of gold, and I set it in front of you, and I asked
you to keep chopping it in half. How long could you do that for? Yeah, you could only do it
until there's a single atom of gold. Right, so you can keep chopping and chopping and chopping,
and at some point, you're left with one single atom of gold. Yep. Okay. Now, can you chop
that in half? Sure. Yeah. But... if you chop that in half, is what's left gold anymore?
Right. And the answer to that is no. If you chop a gold atom in half, so you're splitting
the protons and neutrons, you're going to end up with two different atoms, smaller atoms,
but they're not going to be gold anymore. Because the makeup of them is the gold. So you've sort
of transcended the definition of gold. So in a way, you could say that. atomic materials
like gold are quantized because there is a minimum unit mass, like a minimum unit that makes up
a thing. So there is a least amount of gold possible, which is a single gold atom. Right,
there's a minimum configuration of it. Right. And so in quantum theory, there are minimums
there as well. OK, so if we were to do that same thought experiment, we just did for goal,
but we were doing for space itself. OK? And we're going to say, like, take the space inside
this box and then throw away half of it and zoom in. Chop, chop, chop. Throw away half
of it and zoom in. Throw away half and zoom in. Yeah, just keep doing that. Do it over
and over and over and over at, like, 10 to the minus 30-something times of doing that, like,
incredibly small. You will get to a point that is called the Planck length. Mm-hmm. Where
at which point you can no longer divide space and still be talking about space. Whatever
you have at that point, it isn't necessarily space anymore. Because the Planck is the minimum
you can divide. The minimum Planck length is the minimum amount of length possible. The
minimum amount of space. Okay. There's Planck energy and there's like all these different
Planck constants. And these are the minimums of all of those different constants, right?
Yeah. This is why quantum physics is called quantum because everything is quantized. They've
discovered that at the smaller scale there are certain like discrete chunks where values like
snap. There's no smooth motion between certain values at a certain level. Everything is quantized,
hence quantum physics. Gotcha. So yeah, you're not seeing these obviously anymore. They're
just chopped to the smallest lip possible. Right. And like a plank length of space is so small
that like, I think the way he puts it in his thing, and whether or not he's right about
it, but the way he put it is like, if you were to take a hydrogen atom and blow it up to the
size of the solar system, then a Planck length would be smaller than a hydrogen atom in that
solar system. That's right, yeah, he did say that. Yeah, which is crazy small.
Wow. So we're talking like minute, tiny, tiny little units and things. Yeah. But OK, so what
he proposes, and here will be a visual, is that once you get down to that level, is that what
if those little quantum bits, that minimum amount of space, is actually a thing? Right. Is like
a little. ball or bead of space. Yeah, he calls it a little bubble or something. It is a unit,
he calls it a plank. Yeah. Or a quanta is what he calls it. He calls it one quanta of space.
And so what he proposes is that what we know as our 3D space is comprised of a bunch of
these quanta of space kind of floating and moving around. Yeah, it's these little tiny balls
or bubbles of the plank, like the tiniest, you know, the plank basically, right? Right, right.
Or is that the plank chopped up? No, it's basically the plank, right? It's the little quanta, the
plank. So the plank is like a little quanta and it's got, and he describes it as spherical
though, right? I mean, at least in his theory, in his visualization. In his visualization,
we would have to do some crazy physics and experimental stuff. Like, light doesn't even mean anything
down on that scale. So how could you measure it? So I don't know. It's all theoretical,
what shape it would be. Right, right, right. Not that it matters. But as far as the dynamics
of it, it could matter. Sure, it probably would matter. Yeah. So whether it's a ball, whether
it's a little cube, whether it's like a little torsion field, or a little tornado. Or a cigar
shaped thing, yeah. Yeah. Anyway, so you have these quanta floating around, and so then he
gives the analogy of like, if I wanted to, let's say I've got something small, an electron,
okay? And I'm gonna go hide it somewhere, and I want you to find it. And I just say it's
a hundred miles west from here Yeah, is that enough information for you to find it? No,
because I'm only giving you one dimension, right of position So then if I say it's this amount
west and it's this amount north. Is that enough information? No, because it could still be
up or down Yeah, so that I say that this it's at this altitude Yeah And it's still not enough
information for you to find it. Not an electron, no. Because you also need to know when it's
there. Yeah, right, right. Right? So that's the dimension. Spaces four dimensional. That's
the dimension we would be missing, yeah. Right. So we have three spatial dimensions and one
time dimension. So if I don't give you those four coordinates, then you can't hope to find
the thing that I hit. Mm-hmm. Right? So in the same way, if I were to give you those coordinates,
essentially what it would be doing is it would be counting the number of quanta west to the
number of quanta north, the number of quanta up or down, and then at what point in time.
So that could essentially be the address of that little bead, that little quanta that electron
resides at. But it goes deeper, right? But it goes deeper. So how can you... Visualize more
dimensions than that. Well, if you visualize it like this photo here of these balls floating
in space Then what is this? Space that they are floating in Yeah, if the balls are space
then what is it that they're floating around in and So he says he proposes the term like
that is like a sort of super space that's right is like the space that the quanta of space
float in. And so you get essentially another three dimensions of space there. Right, so
the super space has three dimensions height or width, height, length. The quanta themselves
have three dimensions so I can count quanta over, up, down. And then once you get there,
the quanta themselves could move their position with respect to each other. Right, right. So
there's three dimensions within that. You use three dimensions to get to that space, and
then you use the other three dimensions to find out where and within that space. Where that
quanta is. We're in regards to the other quanta in this super space in the super space But
then there's three more dimensions you can do which is within that quanta Where are you?
So you can be within the quanta you could be like forward or back or out on the surface
On the inside thinking of like in this example where we're thinking of is like a sphere You
could be at the core you could be at the you know the edge you could be somewhere in between
that. Right. So that is another three dimensions. And so that's another three dimensions. So
now you have nine spatial dimensions. Is that interdimension? Or, I don't know, it's interspace,
or whatever they call it? Yeah, so you have the quanta themselves, and counting left, right,
and center. Yeah. That's your traditional three dimensions. Yeah. Then you zoom up a quanta,
and your position within the quanta requires another three dimensions. Yeah. The quanta
movement in relative to each other through super space requires another three dimensions. So
what is it the, so there's super space, there's space, there's super space and then- And then
there's like, I guess, I forget the term he uses for it. Like intra space or something.
Like intra space, yeah, something like that. And that's like the space within the quanta
itself. Yeah. So yeah, so there's space to get you to the- area the quanta could be. And then
there's the super space to find out where in that space the quanta is. And then there's
the intraspace to find out where within the quanta you are. That thing is whatever, you
know, theoretically we're looking for. And so that's what? Three, six, nine dimensions. That's
nine space dimensions. And then what he says for time, he claims there's two time dimensions.
He says that essentially the quanta themselves like resonate. And so every resonation of a
quanta is like what we call time. Okay. And then he says, Yeah, that confused me. If you
look at quanta within the super space, you would need time to describe movement of quanta through
super space. So if this quanta and that quanta are right next to each other and they switch
positions, you can only move across time. So in order to describe movement through a super
space, they would also have to have time through a super space. I don't know particularly from
item mind why that couldn't just be the only time. Well, and why is that distinguished between
that and what our time is, right? Right. Probably because what our time is, is all confined within
3D space time. So our time is a derivative of what's going on. Yeah, and that time of describing
the quantum movement through super space is outside of 3D space time because it's describing
the movement of 3D space time itself. Because we know that we know how time affects us based
on like our molecules. Just like, what's the word that I'm looking for? Our degenerating.
So it's like our molecules having all this energy depleted. And we know that because it's depleting,
there is this idea of time. Radioactive decay? No, I'm just thinking of why we know that time
is a dimension. How we actually interface with time and how we know. Like over time, your
body is going to decay. Yeah, well we know time is a dimension because for the example earlier,
if I need you to find something, if I don't tell you when to look, you won't, like... The
position in time has everything to do with whether or not you'll find it just like the position
in space. No, I understand that, but I'm just seeing how we describe it. So like the definition
of a dimension is like what is a way... A dimension would be described as like a thing that you
can move within without moving in through... Without moving through something else, right?
So if we have like a 2D plane here that's X and Y... I can move through X, change my X
coordinate without affecting my Y coordinate. And I can change my X coordinate if we add
a third dimension without changing my Z coordinate. So that's what makes X a dimension is that
I can move within X while staying still in Y and Z. And I can move within X without necessarily
moving through time. or I can move through time without necessarily moving through space. I
can stay at the x, y, z point and just be moving through space. But is it the exact is it the
same way for time itself? Like can time be described as the same dimensionally as the other descriptors
of positioning? Yeah, like if you stay absolutely still, which is a big question whether that's
even possible.
If you keep rooted in x, y, z point on a grid and just stay still, then you're moving through
time, but you're not moving through space. So in a way like that, it's its own independent
descriptor. Then like the idea of like moving as fast as the speed of light and time not
moving. Like that's where things get weird. Right. So that's where you get into special
relativity. Yeah, like I'm just trying to like the description, the actual understanding of
the description of time itself and how it actually interfaces with our- Time is a struggle to
try to explain what it is and how it is. And yeah. Calling it a dimension. It's sort of
a special case of a dimension. That's what I'm, yeah. Because it only moves in one direction.
You can't like choose your position on it. That's, yeah. Arbitrarily like you can with space.
Exactly. But. So it's still has the similar. It's part of the same fabric of space time
because, and we know this because of Einstein's, all of Einstein's contributions. Like we see
space-time distortion, otherwise, like we have to account for space-time distortions and relativistic
effects in order for GPS to work. Yeah, and that's at the macro. Right now, there are satellites
orbiting the planet so fast that it's still really slow compared to like relativistic speed
of light scales, but like we're talking. tens of thousands of miles an hour these satellites
are orbiting. But as far as timing goes, yeah. And because of their relative speed compared
to ours, they experience time dilation that we don't. And if we don't account for that,
then over time, their clocks get off from our clocks, and therefore our GPS stops working.
Because you need GPS to have accurate clocks, or else you won't be able to get your position
from a satellite. Yeah, I mean, I guess it's just... We know that time dilation and space
dilation is a thing. At least at the macro scale, right? Right. Because we're going to get into
that good idea. Well, and that's where all the quantum physicists and stuff, that's why they're
trying to quote unquote, quantize space. Because once they zoom into that level, I mean, basically
all the effects sort of disappear. Right, right. And so... We're over a little bit, so let's
take a break and then yeah, let's dive back in and like flesh out what are some of the
implications of thinking about time and space in this sort of way. Yeah, I was going to say
this. That's where it gets really interesting for me. Definitely go more into like his idea
of like the dimensions of time. Yeah, I mean he's basically saying that time is the resonation
of a quanta. It's like a quanta pulsing. And so that extrapolating up to what we are, like...
Yeah, is that... Those resonations, you know, once they get... You have the tiny little space,
and once you get particles within that space and they resonate and they hit each other more
and they interact more, time affects them differently because they're interacting more, right? Right.
So the quanta are interacting more when the mass is bringing them closer together. Or is
it less? I don't know. We'll keep talking about it. Yeah, yeah. Because in his idea, yeah.
Dude, it's weird stuff. And there's so many cool alternate gravitation and space time theories.
And I sort of discovered that this is like a, you would essentially classify it within a
whole class of these sort of theories. And yeah, we'll get to that in a second.
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Thanks for watching!
Welcome back We are back. Again, for all you people who only tune in for our beer reviews,
I apologize. We ended up spending like half an hour talking about the new Avatar the Last
Airbender Netflix show. As we're recording this, it's going to be coming out in two days. We
were both huge fans of the original animated show. We loved it. of like, is this Netflix
adaptation good? Are they gonna totally flop it? Yeah, they've, I don't think they're gonna
flop it. They're not gonna M. Night Shyamalan it. Ha ha ha.
Can they finagle good acting quality out of their child actors? Can they tell a story?
Are they going to be authentic to it? Is it going to have the heart? The casting is good.
Yeah, it's more about the acting and keeping you in as far as the world is. In a lot of
the snippets I've seen, the world I could. Seeing the world in live action is exciting. Seeing
the places, seeing the people. I like that they're going almost hyper-realistic, so it's almost
more real than real. So it's like fantasy. Yeah. So it kind of gives them an excuse for things
that do not look totally perfect. Right. Or not totally real. Showing Appa and Momo, these
creatures, these mythical creatures that aren't real life. It's good enough that I can work
with it. You know, even though it doesn't look totally real and it makes it better because
the environments and everything are a little fantastic. A little bit more fantastic. Yeah,
exactly. I'm excited to see the water kingdom. Yeah. That'll be a fun one. Man, I'm so...
Alright, so next episode, well maybe not next episode if we record this week. Oh. What do
you want to do next time though? We're recording on a Tuesday right now. We won't be watching
the show till the weekend. That's true. But if we're going to record on Thursday, then
you'll have to wait till our next, next episode to see what we think of the show. Yeah, and
if you're fans of The Avatar, Last Airbender, and obviously the animated show is very popular
now, like now it actually is kind of like grown even more than what it was originally. I don't
think I. Yeah, I didn't watch it on TV when it first came out. Like episode to episode.
I caught some episodes back in the day. Yeah. Because our nephew was into it. But I watched
it when it came out. Back then, like, unless you had like a TiVo box that like recorded
TV. Right, right, right. Like, you had to actually sit there at the air date and time to catch
like a full serial thing and not miss something. Exactly. And that was really rare for me to
do as a kid. So it wasn't until like, yeah, I could watch it on DVR or rental. I forget
when I first. I think the first thing I watched it on, not the first thing, but I really went
in chronological order and watched the whole thing outright was Netflix when it first came
out. Yeah, I think for me, I may have downloaded it. I've a. been a long proponent of picking
up digital goods that fall off the information highway trucks, as it were. Yeah, maybe that
was when I first really watched it, see my scene. Because I used to keep a little catalog. If
you remember back in our old house, I used to keep a catalog of movies and stuff that we
could stream from our OG Xbox or something. It was like a media player. Yeah, because I
watched it back then. I think that's the first time I saw it. When me and I watched it with
Chris back then. He and I watched it together for the first time, I remember. That must have
been when I first started watching it then. But I loved it when I first started watching
it. I think so. Chris, tell me if I'm wrong. But that's what I remember. When I first started
watching it, I just fell in love with it. Yeah. Like the whole background and stories. For
those of you who haven't watched it and you're like, isn't that a kids show? It's much more
than that. Yes, but. the best kids show you've ever seen and It's like philosophical thing
it's very philosophical they talk about very deep topics. It's very adult for a kids show
yeah, I mean at least they cover everything from freaking genocide to sexism and Family
struggles and yeah, it's really good stuff man epic storytelling. It's fantastic So if you
haven't watched it, watch the cartoon first, or maybe watch the Netflix thing. But if the
Netflix thing sucks, go back and watch the cartoon. It's worth it. It's much better. Well, I don't
know yet. I don't know yet if it's better. I don't know if you know yet. Probably. But I
think it's a great groundwork, whether or not you like the Netflix, I think. Yeah. You should
still, even if you like the Netflix, go back and watch the cartoon. We'll just say I rate
it, and I'm not alone in rating it amongst like, For me personally, it's not just amongst the
best animated things I've ever seen. It's amongst the best TV I've ever seen. Yep. So. Agreed.
And it's a little slow start in the first season. So if you're like, oh, this is a kids show,
but I'll give it a try because they said, yeah, you're going to have to get through the first
season before you see what we're talking about. Well, at least a good halfway in, then you'll
see what we're talking about. Yeah. And once you're into it, and I'm sure other people who
like it attest, Quora was also really good. Legend of Koa. It's hit or miss for me. I like
certain aspects, but it's not the same. No, it's definitely not the same, but it's good
as far as like continuing to build the world and like see what happens after and stuff.
But anyway, later on M. Night Shyamalan got assigned making a feature film, which is an
unfair assignment, by the way, trying to take an entire season of this show and make it into
one movie. But nothing against him necessarily. I mean, he took, he did what he could with
it. He I just don't think he was the right director for it. He was a terrible director for it and
he made a lot of unforced errors Yeah, and obviously a lot of unforced errors he was gonna make
but I don't think anyone could have done it great, but he He put his own brand of badness
on it and it killed the avatar franchise for like over a decade. Yeah Yeah, and all we had
to go fall back on was the show. It was the animated show. That's all the nervous energy
we're working on for when this drops. Yeah, we're going to binge it for our nephew's birthday.
Yeah, he's like, what do you want to do for your birthday? He wants to spend the whole
day hanging out with family, binge watching the new Avatar series. So that's our plan for
this weekend. I'm excited for it. That's going to be fun. All right, we'll get back into it
now for people who are like shut the hell up. Yeah. Einstein's intuition. OK, so we kind
of laid the great groundwork, right? Yeah, I wanted to get back into the time stuff. The
groundwork was the visualization of the dots of quanta and those dots of quanta floating
in a sort of super space. Super space. Let me see what you did. Cool, so how is this useful?
Yes. And I want to talk about the time dimensions again, like a little bit, like in his definitions
of these time dimensions. So in our reality, OK, like in our everyday experience, like our
everyday experience is three dimensional. Yeah. We know that we need time. We know that time
is a thing. Yeah. Because when you describe the world, it's incomplete unless you can describe
it in motion. Mm-hmm. or having the time to describe us in aspect of it. There is no complete
description of the world unless you account for the fact that things move and things change.
Yeah. Right? Yeah. And so what is it that defines the difference between the way something used
to be and the way it is now and that is time? Okay. So in a similar way, if you have a bunch
of quanta floating around in a super fluid, super space. to if it is possible for those
quanta to move in regards to each other then there needs to be an aspect of time in that
conception of space right which is outside of our 3d space because these are quanta are still
matter right still matter well no it's space well it's space but it's still a thing Right.
In this idea. It's a thing. It's an empty quanta of space, or maybe it's a contained quanta
of space that is part of a particle or whatever. But yeah, it's a thing. And so these quanta
are interacting. Right. They may be moving around. They may be bouncing around. So that is one
aspect of this time. That is one dimension of the time. But the second one is the resonation,
right? It's the quanta itself. Right. bouncing or moving or For me, I think of it maybe it's
vibrating maybe it's colliding like whatever it is and the reason it's important that you
have the ability for those quanta to like resonate or vibrate is because any proper theory of
everything has to account for special relativity where based on your velocity and motion your
experience of time can be different than everyone else's. So you have to have a way to have an
individual experience of time. There is no universal clock in our universe, according to Einstein.
Everybody is on. It is impossible to have everyone set their clock and put them in sync, and they
will never stay in sync.
So there's our 11 dimensions then. There's our 11 dimensions that he talks about. We've got
the three space dimensions. We've got the three super space dimensions. We've got the three
inner space dimensions. Right, right. And then we've got the two time dimensions. Right. So
the time dimensions, again, just for myself, are the movement of the quanta. in relation
to each other. Super space. Within super space. And then the quanta themselves vibrating or
whatever they're doing to resonate. And that is another because it is the movement. It's
the movement of it. Got it. OK. So what is any of this good for? Other than a clever way to
visualize more dimensions than three, which is also pretty cool. Yeah. It is very mind-bending
just thinking about those 11 dimensions and just as they are, I don't know what it might
mean. Yeah. But then how do they... One of the big mysteries in quantum physics is, for instance,
quantum tunneling. So you can imagine that you can solve quantum tunneling with this. So imagine
an electron is attached. to a quanta and then imagine that quanta swaps space. Like that
quanta and the next few ones, like it moves. If it moves within super space in regard to
the other quanta, all of a sudden that electron has tunneled. Right, cause it didn't. All of
a sudden it's in a new coordinate address, even though it stayed on its quanta. So it didn't
change the dimension of being on the quanta. It changed the dimension of being where that
quanta was in relation to the others. And so you can see where something very small, like
an electron, that only maybe has a handful of quanta it's attached to, those actually can
rearrange themselves with regards to other quanta at that scale and end up with effects like
tunneling. Because I know in his videos he talks about like how to describe the length between,
like if you take this quanta on this end and this quanta on this end and you connect those
two points, what is the number that is generated as how much space that is between those quanta
and it changes, it fluctuates. based on because these things are moving and the idea. So we
use human level measurement units of meters and feet and yards. But if we were going to
be accurate to physics, like in physics, we would have to do In actuality, it should be
like a plank. We should be counting whole integer multiples of planks. So the definition of a
meter should be a whole integer multiple of the plank length. And so in that way, if you
zoom in, zoom in, zoom in, zoom in, zoom in, so where you see these quanta floating around,
If you want to describe the position of anything, like you could, as they're moving about their
space, I'll put like this image up. As they're moving through their space, like you can kind
of count from one quanta to the next. And you can see how as they move that same sort of
line from one quanta to the other, there may be more or less of the quanta in between. And
so at any given moment it may... blip from five quanta away, seven quanta away, 10 quanta away,
four quanta away. And so when you go at that really small scale, once you zoom out enough,
there's so many billions of them that it averages out to where it's not noticeable. And then
you just get the one number. And that's why you don't get people quantum tunneling through
walls, but electrons can. Unless, yeah, if you can figure out the technology for moving the
quanta. We're getting there. I'm working on it. Maybe that's what the UFOs are doing. Exactly.
And that was kind of my connection to that Chris Bledsoe stuff, is this idea that if panpsychism
is a real thing, if let's have an exercise on this, if the idea that every molecule, every
living thing, every organism is conscious, and it take advantage because it knows, like it
has some knowledge that, or like the coagulation. So like if we were to get to a point where
we understand that every single cell in our body is conscious and we can tap into that
and we know that our consciousness is a, our consciousness that we experience is an accumulation
of all the consciousnesses within us. And instead of it being like a physical, electronical technology,
it's more of an internal thing where you can tap into this quantum space, the quantum leaping,
leaping from, using that internal technology and understanding of your consciousness and
how your consciousness is not just attached to this, but... you could move within the space,
like we're describing the super space. It's an interesting thought exercise, especially
if you get to a point where you're not an embodied thing. You're more of a spiritual or a ethereal
idea, but you're still conscious because you have these, or you're still made up of particles
that interact with each other on this quantum level. And you can go from coagulating them
together to make a appear as a being. But then you can shrink back down and then move, or
you're just a higher dimensional thing. That's sort of like a panpsychism that is like combinatorial.
So it's like every big consciousness is sort of an amalgamation of the small. Yeah. in a
similar way to macro scale things are an amalgamation of smaller atoms. Yeah. Right. Interesting.
OK. It's an interesting way. This is just a thought exercise going on in my head right
now. I don't know how to attach it to this topic, per se. I'm just thinking of the ideas of-
But I don't- I'm not attaching to it in some solid way. I'm just playing with the idea of
panpsychism and how that could relate to this quantum level of being able to move through
space or like the individual particles or not particles, but yeah, the individual particles,
you know, being able to take advantage of the plank than knowing, you know, how to move around
and whatever. Just a thought. Interesting. Yeah, I mean, there could be a whole reality down
at that scale. Within, yeah. Aware of. Yeah. It would. follow all sorts of different rules.
Yeah, and it wouldn't be a physical reality either. It would be a... Well, it would be
almost like... It would be semi-physical. It would be like what our physical reality is
built upon, but... Right, but it wouldn't be what we describe as physical, like as a matter.
Almost like metaphysical. Yeah. But kind of physical. It's physical in the sense that it's
a thing, you know, but not physical in the sense of it's, it's all of these smaller things attached
to each other to create a, what we are, you know, it's not a bunch of cells and organisms
that come together, but it is, if you detach it enough, still that. So yeah, crazy to think
about. Let's go on to another one of the mysteries that he proposes to solve here. So he proposes
to have like that this way of looking at things explains dark energy That's a big one. So let
me rephrase Sort of in a layman's term the mystery of dark energy Please yeah, this is the one
that confuses me So dark energy is the phenomenon that you see when you look out in the universe
at any galaxy and you see that its light has been shifted towards the red. Right. Yeah,
I understand our understanding of dark energy, but his understanding. No, yeah. Yeah. So for
listeners. Yeah. So people who don't understand, yeah, if you look out in every single direction,
you look one way and you see some faraway galaxies, they're shifted towards the red. And the farther
away the galaxy, the more shifted towards the red. In fact, that's our definition for how
far a galaxy is, is essentially how far red shifted it is. Okay? And if you look one way,
and same thing if you look the other way, same thing if you look up, same thing if you look
down, any direction you look, everything is shifted red. And so the explanation for that
is expansion. Right, everything moving away from. Is that the entire universe is expanding.
And because it's expanding, the light waves traveling to us through an expanding universe
are causing those light waves over time to stretch out. Hence shifting towards the red. But what
this proposes is a different mechanism for that. Right, instead of it needing to be moving away,
it's a different. that causes the redshift? It's a different thing. It's not the distance
that's causing it. So here's the analogy. Let's say I'm standing outside and a car goes driving
by. I'm going to hear a Doppler effect, right? Yeah. I'm going to hear, mm, right? So it's
blue shifting as it's approaching me. And as it's moving away, it's red shifting. Right.
OK, that's a standard example. But did you know that you can also get a red shifting of sound
by dropping atmospheric pressure? So let's say I put you in a big long tunnel, OK? Yeah. And
someone honks a horn a mile down that tunnel at you, OK? And as that sound is coming towards
you, if we had the ability to control the atmospheric pressure inside that tunnel and drop the pressure,
it will also drop the frequency of the horn as it reaches your ears. Even if it's not moving.
Well, it's moving from the car that honks to you. No, I know, but I think the car itself
is not. The car is perfectly still. It's sitting there. Right. And it just honks and you hear
a normal honk. But if it honks and in the process of it traveling down that tunnel towards you,
the pressure drops, you will hear a lower pitch honk. As if it was moving towards? As if it
was moving away. Okay, so it's right. It would be a quote-unquote red shift. Gotcha. Of yeah,
so moving towards a lower frequency. Yeah, and then if you, if the pressure changed in the
opposite direction. it would create a blue shift in a sense, right? Acting as if it was, it
would sound as if it was coming towards you. If it were to honk its horn in low, yeah, in
low pressure, and then you were to raise the pressure as it traveled towards you, it would
shift the other way. So that's the expla- okay. So that's the explanation that they're- Right.
So the explanation for these quanta is that they have different- because they're sort of
floating around in a super fluid, the super space, they can be more and less dense, okay?
And so the idea is that as you get close into the black hole, a supermassive black hole at
the center of galaxy, that the quanta themselves are super dense together in that super space.
And then as that light travels out, or as you move out from that, that the quanta get less
and less dense. Mm-hmm. And there's another sort of implication of this, which is that
anytime you're dealing with particles and density, you're dealing with also phase changes. And
so we understand that water can be a solid, a liquid, and a gas. And what is the difference
between them? It's the difference between how packed together those particles are. Right,
the configuration of the molecules. Right. So manifest into different states of the same
part like a black hole in this analogy would essentially be like a solid of space It's like
the solid phase of space where it's packed so tightly together that the quanta can't resonate
freely anymore and therefore they there's no time and Because they're so packed tightly
together. You can never escape once you go in
And so you would get a similar like event horizon sort of aspect To that we haven't talked much
about the gravity aspect of these things of it. Right? So then as you move out From that
hole that black hole you would get into the quote-unquote liquid phase, right? yeah, and
then essentially what he's proposing as the Explanation for dark energy is that There,
once you get outside of a galaxy, then you essentially go into another phase change, which is, I thought
this is how he describes dark matter. He does, yeah, but this too,
that as you get further and further from the galaxy, you get out in deeper in space and
it's essentially a new phase of matter. It's like the gaseous or plasma phase and where
everything's cooler, everything's further apart. Yeah. Much more room to move. And because of
that, because of that change in temperature, that change in density, that's causing the
energy of the light that's traveling to you to shift towards the red. It's losing energy.
So yeah, that definitely helps me with the dark energy. I think the phase shift is what he
was talking about with the dark matter. Like as far as like the dark matter. That's what
he was talking about too with the dark matter. Yeah. It's like the phase shifting of it like
the same we would expect in air, like in our physical space, right? So to recap on dark
matter, that's the mystery of like when you look at a spiral galaxy, you look at the stars
out at the edge of the galaxy, they are rotating around that galaxy too fast. At the edges,
yeah. At the edges of the galaxy, those stars are rotating too fast around the galactic center.
You would expect it to be slower based on the equations of Gravitational equations of relativity
of Einstein, right and Newton Anyway, there's not enough gravity to explain how fast they
move And so the difference between how much gravity there needs to be and how much gravity
there actually is what we call dark matter right, and it's just they say that there has to be
a matter out there and it's Invisible so they call it we know it's there because we know
though its gravitational effects are there Yeah, but we can't see it, but we can't see it. We
can't interact with it Yeah, there's been no light aids of is affected by it dark matter
particle detectors here on earth built deep underground And none of them have come up with
any dark matter
So it says that's like that dark matter is actually a particle that doesn't that only affects that
only interacts with normal matter gravitationally, but not electromagnetically or chemically.
So that's the mystery. And then this theory that it uses the phase change is that as you
get out to that outer rim of the galaxy. that extra speed of the rotation of the galaxy of
the stars is due to The quanta going essentially from the liquid to the gas phase And so there
being less resistance And less quote-unquote space for them to travel through to keep up
with the inner stars Wow And we kind of touched on gravity a bit, but we didn't go into...
Oh, we should, yeah, talk about gravity itself. Yeah, and gravity and its effect on the theory.
I should turn that off real quick.
The babies are budging a little.
Yeah, so gravity... So essentially with this model, we're talking about like gradients,
right? We're talking about instead of like curve space time like a trampoline, we're talking
about gradients of quanta being more and less stuffed together. Right, more and more and
less dense. And so the 9.8 meters per second squared of gravity that we experience here
on average on the surface of the Earth would be because of us traveling around the sun through
a gradient of quanta. Right. And because there's a gradient. So here's how he explains it. What
is the definition of a straight line? Okay. So if you want to move in a straight line,
you first have to define what a straight line is, okay? And so one way he proposes to define
that, Which I think is a pretty valid explanation. It's like, let's say you have your left arm
and your right arm straight out ahead. And then you move forward. To know that you're moving
in a straight line, you would have to know that your left went forward the same amount of space
as your right did. Because if your left went forward more than your right did, you would
start curving. You'd start turning, yeah. Right. In this, yeah. So. And this is also how you'll
see science documentaries and stuff that talk about space, time, and relativity. They'll
talk about a geodesic. Anyway, we'll get into all that later. Anyway, so the definition of
space, time being, or moving in a straight line being your left and your right go in the same
amount of space. Right, interacting with the same amount of space at the same time. Right.
Which means you're going straight. If you're going through flat spacetime, then. Yeah. That
holds up. And if we're using this quanta model, then you would essentially need your left hand
to hit the same amount of quanta as your right hand did in order for you to go in a straight
line. But now if you're moving through curved spacetime where there's more quanta on your
left side and less quanta on your right side, then I will hit less quanta with my left hand
than I will with my right hand. And a straight line to hitting this quote unquote, hitting
the same number of quanta with each hand will take me on a curved path. Right, so that's
where you get the curve, the orbit basically around a massive object, right? Right, which
is not so different from like Einstein's explanation. He's just explaining these. He's saying that
these bodies are moving in a straight line through curved space. Right. It's not them turning
or moving or being acted on by some force of gravity. We're not being pulled down to the
ground by gravity. We are moving through curved space time in such a way that we are intersecting
with the ground on our line, point eight meters per second squared. So yes, so an object force
because we're being pressed into it, right? So like if you were to think of like a spaceship
trying to leave the atmosphere and go onto an orbital path of the of the earth like the left
Whatever side that's pointing towards the earth is being pulled more as is interacting with
more matter More more mass so it's the arc of it Looks like an orbit. It looks like it's
turning But in reality, it's still moving straight. It's just interacting with the particles in
such a way on its right or left side that makes it look like a turn. But it's still moving
straight. Right? Right. As long as you're not firing a rocket, as long as you're not accelerating,
then you're moving straight. Yeah. So I'm just thinking of, in this theory, if something is
moving in an orbit, and it's moving in a straight line, Yeah, an orbit's a little different because
like to get a rocket into orbit. I'm not saying like a perfect orbit, but interacting with
anything. So if you're flying by looking at the launch, the launch, they are not moving
in a straight line because they're firing the rocket. Right. I don't mean the line. I mean,
like if you say an object moving through space and it interacts and it's going into the this
gravitational, quote unquote, gravitational force of another object. It looks as if it's
It's moving in an orbit around it, but in reality, in elliptical fashion, it's moving in a straight
line through curved space. Right, so it's just interacting more or less on the other side
of it. And in this, instead of it being quote unquote curved, it's like through a space density
gradient. If space is a bunch of quantas, then instead of it being how you would traditionally
think of curved space, It's a space density gradient would be the way to think about it.
So moving in a straight line through space that has density gradients means you will take what
appears to be a curved path. Right, even though it's still straight to the object itself. Right.
Like you're not turning a wheel to move left or right. You are moving straight in the same
path you were before. It's just you're moving in what looks like a curve. It's just what
I struggle with this theory is I still don't see a fundamental explanation for why
space, why matter curves space in the first place? I was gonna, yeah. And to me, that's
one of the biggest mysteries of like our physics. What gives it the characteristics of interacting
the way that it does? Physicists just take it as a given, like matter curves space, and space,
what do they say? What do they do like, matter tells space how to curve, and space tells matter
how to move or something like that. Anyway. They both influence each other and they're
very highly connected like space and matter but like I understand Why that's the case like
why is it the case? That the existence of matter is a curvature of space-time Yeah, even in
this theory, it still doesn't answer that question. Because it doesn't like, why does the matter?
Yeah, this theory, as far as I've seen him explain it, doesn't explain what matter is within this
model, right? And why it interacts with things the way
it does, yeah. Yeah. So it definitely leaves something to be desired. Yeah, but it definitely
answers some of the mysteries, right? So even like the quantum, the viewer effect, right?
doesn't it answer some of the questions of like the light being a particle and a wave at the
same time? I don't remember his explanation. He doesn't necessarily answer it specifically,
but you can derive some of the like the it being able to be a particle and a wave at the same
time is. due to the fact that it's actually quanta. Oh, that it would be, I could, yeah,
I can kind of construct that intuitively. So like, if light is a particle in a wave at the
same time it would be because like, let's say you've got some sort of packet of energy that
is traveling quanta to quanta to quanta to quanta. And as it's causing them to vibrate at each
other they're like putting out waves as well. based on the vibrations that the light is causing
on the quanta of space. So what we see when we are viewing it is the particle acting as
a wave. And in fact, maybe that's the definition of light is like quanta vibrating in a certain
way. Or yeah, light hitting a certain packet of denser and less dense quanta, which causes
ripples. So that would, yeah, that's another, whole other thing that he doesn't even get
into really. But he does mention the idea. I don't specifically if he just describes why
it acts that way or why it interacts as a particle and a wave. But yeah, for me, a satisfactory
theory would tell you why is it that space and time are so interlinked the way they are. Yeah.
Oh, the other thing that I realized in researching for this episode and going back through and
kind of figuring out what is of this, if you consider this a sort of theory of everything,
and I recommend if you are more on the mathy, sciency side, go check out his deeper stuff
for his book where he lays out the quote unquote, equations that designate this theory. But essentially
this is a like an ether theory. This is like bringing back ether. And I didn't realize for
a long time that was essentially what they were talking about with like an ether. And Einstein
did away with it in his formulation. Oh, he had to originally talk about it. Yeah, well,
he originally was using an ether until he... To describe the characteristics? It was a popular
thing in physics, and Einstein sort of did away with it in his discoveries, but... A lot of
people have been trying to bring it back in, and so there's like a whole, like, family of,
um... Like, new theories that essentially propose an ether again, and some of them try to avoid
that term. In fact, a lot of them, most of them do. So like quantum fluid dynamics and whatnot.
It's kind of the same idea, like this idea of the super fluid. The idea that space is a fluid.
Right. That's kind of this idea of it being this moving and interacting fluid that as things
move through it, it interacts differently because of the density, the changes in density, the
changes in pressure of the universe because we know it's billions and billions of years
old so the light interacting and the light that we are seeing is being red shifted or blue
shifted not blue shifted really everything seems to be red shifted, but Yeah, so it's all like
interacting in this soup of quanta that it's dynamically changing Yeah based on the densities
Do you recall the other series I had you watching a little bit of the dialect YouTube channel?
No, I can't pull it from memory So if you guys haven't seen this channel, I'll link it It
is another version of this but it's to me. It's a little more thought through Which it takes
into account the movement of the space a lot more. So like, you can think of you standing
on this earth as a force pulling you down at 9.8 meters per second squared. Or you can think
of the earth exploding outward at all times and that space is coming down through you at
9.8 meters per second squared, keeping everything at that same size and shape. And so it's not
that you are being pulled down, it's that you are actually traveling up through space at
9.8 meters per second squared, but that is the speed at which space is coming down through
you. And so you appear to be stationary as long as you stand on. Yeah, that kind of breaks
down to me when you think of a spherical object, though, moving through space, because it's
not, unless you're moving. No, that's where. It highlights it for me. Yeah, but if you're
thinking about a thing moving a single direction, would it not have a different effect on something
on the opposite side of the Earth? It would. Well, no, because everything in the Earth would
be pulling in. Space would be pulling into the Earth at all angles proportionally. Oh, got
you. So everything's being pulled into the Earth. So think of the Earth as a waterfall for space.
So it's not moving necessarily through. the way we think of moving through something. Space
is moving through us, coming from up and going down in all directions. Right, right, right.
So it proposes a sort of like a waterfall theory of space, where space is some sort of fluid,
kind of like the Where does it go once it gets in there? the science intuition by Thad. That's
what I want to know. Where does it go once it gets into the water? Yeah, so I thought that
was a really interesting question. And then I ran into another guy who also had a third,
sort of like quantum fluid ether theory. And this is just, dude, this guy is awesome. He's
like freaking, I'm going to blink it. Yeah, I want to say that. He's this old dude with
this tiny little YouTube channel. He's got like 30 views on every video. He's barely got any
subscribers. I think it was like his fifth or sixth subscriber. I somehow found his videos
in researching this. But he proposes out his whole theory of everything and it's also an
ether-based sort of thing, like space being a fluid that moves through you type thing.
And so the way he explains it is that special relativity still exists. So what's happening
is that as space is moving into you, like into the earth faster and faster and faster, it's
also getting more and more and more and more and more dense and it's moving faster and faster,
which is getting closer and closer to relativistic speed, which is distorting space time, which
essentially makes every like piece of mass like a little bit of a black hole. I was gonna say,
wouldn't it like... Yes, the Earth is the most massive thing near us, but wouldn't it also,
like, we are also mass. Right. Would space also be coming into us individually and also all
the other massive things individually? See, for me, what I'm looking for, like, I want
a theory that explains, like, the mass, or like, the space sucking in, contributing the energy
that allows mass to keep massing, you know? Because I feel like mass just existing should
be constantly burning energy. Like it should be constantly burning energy for like electrons
to orbit a proton and neutron and for the protons and neutrons to like vibrate and like maintain
their shape and their structure. Like that should, that should cost energy constantly. That's
what time is. Like over time. Yeah, that's what time is. Where are they getting the energy
to stay stable? Reproduction. And I've never heard anyone explain that on the quantum scale.
Like where do quantum effects get their energy to keep maintaining themselves? Because it
seems like little perpetual motion machines, the way scientists describe the stuff. Oh,
it's just an electron orbiting. Like, okay, but like- Wouldn't it have to decay at some
point? Yeah. Yeah, well, and they do decay, but like- But over a massive amount of time.
But there's a lot of like vibrations, there's a lot of movement, there's a lot of like fluctuating
of stuff. Interactions between. Yeah, so like where is the energy source for all that? Yeah,
it's the Aether. It's the point. Maybe it's just the temperature in the universe. It's
like the distance away from the Big Bang. Or it's the dark energy. Further into entropy,
further away from the Big Bang, further into things cooling down and spreading out. Yeah,
eventually it's going to contract. Everything will lose its energy and won't be able to maintain
itself into mass anymore. And that's when we contract again into a single point and the
Big Bang starts over. That's when... dark energy turns negative and everything sucks inward.
Everything sucks inward and then you get the reproduction of the Big Bang event. Bang, Big
Bang event. Whoa. Massive die off and then a massive regrowing, massive all at the same
time. Cause they think, they expect the Big Bang theory or the Big Bang happened faster
than the speed of light. So imagine that happening in reverse at the speed of light or more than
faster than the speed of light. It would just be an instantaneous, like, re-snapping or reconfiguration
of the universe. That's fascinating.
What was the channel? What was that small channel? You gotta send me that. Yeah, I'm looking for
him right now. Pfft.
Dude, he's great. He reminds me of like, he reminds me of, yeah, like Mr. Rogers or something.
This is so great. That's so, I mean, all of this stuff is just so fun to think about. It's
like playing little games. Honestly, that's what I do with this panpsychism. Physics is
one of those things. Putting it all together and figuring out what it might look like if
you interacted these different ideas together.
Where are you? Oh. Veritasium, is that the one? No, no. No, Veritasium is legit.
Too legit? Too legit to quit. Now I'm unlegit. I'm going to have to search. You'll have to
get the link the same as everyone else. I must quit. Anyway. Who knows that reference? Come
on. Somebody knows it. I love physics.
fluid space theories. Like ever since I like the Einstein's intuition idea, I find issues
with his specific formulation of it, but the more I run into other people giving their formulations
that are similar, the more I think like, I feel like the answer, because all of those family
of theories of everything have in common is that dark matter and dark energy are an illusion.
Like, they're a fallout of the world working this way. And it is not actually true that
95% of the universe is unknown to us. Right, it's actually just a part of what we know.
But it's just outside of. It's just the effect, the repercussion of the universe working by
these laws of physics. Yeah, so you just got to change your. the parameters we're putting
on this. I love this stuff. So yeah, we're coming down to the end here. But appreciate y'all
listening. As we wrap. Appreciate y'all listening. You can find us on YouTube, Rumble, Apple Podcasts.
What is it? Hugh Manfield. Fluid space theory. I will link that to in the description. Look
at this guy.
Look at this guy. Oh my god. He's like a Mr. Rogers meets a... Hello. Oh, yeah I'll play
a little bit of that. I don't think Reason we're recording software records the YouTube videos
I play but I just played a little bit for Drew So we should I'll edit it in we should get
that to do I want to hit this guy up because look how small like he's got 32 subscribers
He's got 85 views on his first video here. So I'm going to link to all you guys. Give this
guy some love. But I'm going to try to reach out to him like, yo, would you come on our
podcast? I really want to talk about your theory. Yeah, that'd be fun. I bet you he'd be down
with. He really spent a lot of work putting this all together. Look at this. He's got.
Oh my god. He's got a 10 part series, 11 part series, describing his fluid space theory.
Then he's got proving Einstein wrong, how the cosmos really works. I haven't finished them
all, but well, and he's still posting it two months ago is his last video. He's still active.
So I want to hit this guy up. I want to talk to him. Yeah, no, that'd be that'd be awesome.
Yeah, this isn't like 15 year old videos. No, this is what I was expecting. This is within
the last year. That's what I was expecting was something that's like, but he hasn't gotten
enough love yet. So we'll give him some love. Let's let's all. Give Hugh Manfield a... Man
with two N's. Yeah. He's wearing a little scientist outfit. He's got a lab coat. He's got the lab
coat. He's standing behind a periodic table. He's got a receding hairline with white hair.
But he's got, he wrote a book too. He's got a book and he, at the beginning of every episode,
he's like, and you can check this out in my book, which half of it is a science fiction
story, in case you're not into the math. So you can get my ideas through that. And the
back half is an appendix with all the math. Oh, sick. He's a little bit cocky, but in a
humble way, because when you listen to him, you're like, man, this is a nerd. But look
at this description of himself. I have achieved a complete and superior understanding of gravitation.
At the moment, I understand gravitation better than anyone on the planet. How can I say that?
Because my method predicts all the same things GR predicts, the dark matter effect as part
of gravity field of normal matter. This has led me into a profound insight into the very
nature of matter and to the unknown difference between matter and anti-matter. A difference
that profoundly changes their behavior. While I did this work to satisfy my own curiosity,
I feel an obligation to share it. I don't believe it would have been, I would have been given
this gift only to keep it to myself. Yeah. Braggie but humble. Right. So I'm definitely going
to watch all of those. So yeah, we're going to wrap up here. We got a, you can find us
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