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Duality Chick. I'm Drew. And I'm Dean. And we're back. Today we're going to tell you the secret
history of the entire world. You're going to hear it here first. Yes. Unless you've read
this book already. We were keeping the secret, but we're going to share it. Yeah, no. So we
wanted to do something a little different that we haven't done yet in our first few episodes,
which is, well... kind of, with the eye pencil. Yeah, that was like an essay, but we are going
to kind of review a whole book over. Not the next few episodes. We're actually going to
do other topics in between, and we'll come back and do it in parts. Yeah, it'll be kind of
a series of these, and we'll do a few chapters, and we'll just kind of talk about, take some
snippets of it, talk about it. Yeah. So this is The Secret History of the World by Mark
Booth. Right? Formerly Jonathan Black. Yeah. This is a book that I found out about a few
years ago. I don't even remember how I found out about it. I think I was just browsing on
Audible for like- You were diving deep on an internet rabbit hole. Maybe. Yeah. I think
it was actually just like, it was recommended as like, you might be interested in it from
another book. Oh, really? On Audible? Yeah. That makes sense too. So the first version
of the book was by Jonathan Black. At the time he released the first book, he was a little
bit paranoid. I've actually seen an interview with him about this too. He was a little bit
paranoid of like, was he gonna get in trouble for releasing this information essentially?
He was worried about the people who might be covered in these beliefs that might. Right.
So the premise of the book is that it's the history of the entire world back from creation
up till now, but from the point of view of like the secret societies of the world. And it's
kind of an amalgamation. He takes and pulls from lots of the different societies, different
texts, different traditions and different religions. Right. And sort of assembles this overarching
view. Yeah. that was taught, you know, the initiates, like he talks a lot about the initiates of
this mystery schools. Right, throughout the years, right. Yeah, so this is kind of the
point of view of the initiate seeking to, you know, learning about and seeking to have the
knowledge of the mystery school or whatever. So that's kind of the intro to the intro here.
But yeah, we wanna read the introduction here because it's pretty good at doing what we.
tried to do just now. Yeah. Basically, suspend your disbelief and don't try and take this
as like some historical, archaeological, scientifically, you know, validated history. This is like a
subjective, spiritual, esoteric, mythic, almost thought exercise account of the world. Right?
So it starts in the introduction. This is a history of the world that has been taught down
the ages in certain secret societies. It may seem quite mad from today's point of view,
but an extraordinarily high proportion of the men and women who made history have been believers.
Historians of the ancient world tell us that from the beginnings of the ancient civilization
to the collapse of Rome, public temples in places like Thebes,
had priestly enclosures attached to them. Classical scholars refer to these enclosures as the mystery
schools. Here, meditation techniques were taught to the political and cultural elite. Following
years of preparation, Plato, Asili, I don't know how to pronounce that one, that's a hard
one, Alexander the Great, Caesar, Augustus, Cicero, and others were initiated into the
secret philosophy. At different times, the techniques were used by the schools. The techniques used
by these schools involved sensory deprivation, breathing exercises, sacred dance, drama, hallucinogenic
drugs, and different ways of redirecting sexual energies. These techniques were intended to
induce altered states of consciousness, in the course of which initiates were able to see
the world in new ways. Anyone who revealed to outsiders what had been taught inside the enclosures
was executed. Um, what was that? Yamblichus, the neoplatonic, platonist, Plato. Neoplatonist.
Yeah. Is that Platonist? Yeah. Neo. Neoplatonist. Neoplatonism. Philosopher recorded what happened
to two boys who lived in Ephesus one night, lit up by rumors of phantoms and magical practices
of more intense, more blazingly real reality hidden inside the enclosures. They let their
curiosity get the better of them. Under cover of darkness, they scaled the walls and dropped
down the other side. Pandemonium followed. Audible all over the city, and in the morning, the
boys' corpses were discovered in front of the enclosure gates. In the ancient world, these
teachings of the mystery schools were guarded as closely as nuclear secrets are guarded today.
Then in the third century, the temples of the ancient world were closed down. as Christianity
became the ruling religion of the Roman Empire.
So, yeah, that's what the book's about. It's about those teachings, those secret teachings.
The stuff that went underground when Christianity and a lot of the monotheistic religions came
together. Yeah, so it was almost the reaction to the way that the world was moving in that
direction, right? They were forced to hide and to go underground and become mysterious. But
even when those things were practiced in that society, it was still secret and it was still,
you will not talk about it. That's what they were describing, right? Yeah, the two boys.
Oh yeah, you might get found in the gutter the next morning. You might get found in the gutter
at the front of the gate. Interesting. This other passage was interesting because it kind
of gives you an idea of like, People still think about these stories and these ideas today and
they use them in their creative endeavors. So it says, in mystery schools, candidates wishing
to join were made to fall down a well, undergo trial by water, squeeze through a very small
door, and hold logic chopping discussions with anthropomorphic animals. Ring a bell.
Others are the Brothers Grimm, Antoine de Saint-Expery, C.S. Lewis, and the creators of The Wizard
of Oz, and Mary Poppins, who have been influenced by the secret philosophy. With a mixture of
the topsy-turvy and childlike literalness, these writers have sought to undermine the common
sense materialistic view of life. They want to teach children to think backwards, look
at everything upside down and other way around. break free of established fixed way of thinking.
Mm. Dude. So that's like, you know, like you see these like cult classics, you know? Right.
Yeah, like this is the type of thing that's like the lion, the witch in the wardrobe, C.S.
Lewis. Like you walk through and you're in like, or like Peter Pan in Neverland, right? Yeah.
Or obviously like, uh. Alice and Wonderland, going down the rabbit hole. But even like Wizard
of Oz, Mary Poppins, these were like allegories or like... It's like fictionalized representations
of that sort of absurdist subjective experience that you have while you're in those altered
states of consciousness. And they go on, they talk about it later, and I think we'll probably
talk about it too, but like the cave of dark... The cave. We'll talk about it later. The allegory
of the cave with Plato. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The allegory of the cave. And it's actually like
the human skull, where the mind is the one trapped inside the... Yeah, yeah. The cave of the mind
of the skull. What I find interesting about this, cause I've actually been, this is part
of why this book appealed to me and maybe how I found it, cause I was doing a lot of reading
on psychotropic drugs, magic mushrooms and DMT. I had just finished Rick Strassman's book,
I believe on DMT and spirit of molecule. And I'm like, starting to like get obsessed with
these like altered states of consciousness. And I somehow come across this book, which
like, it's a really cool for someone like me who hasn't like read super deeply in all of
these traditions, like as like an introduction, like a simplification, like a dip your toe
in the water of these like esoteric knowledge. But it all seems to be like those techniques
like drowning and squeezing through a hole like all these like extreme conditions you can get
your body in that can cause an altered state of consciousness is essentially the same thing
that's happening inside your brain with hallucinogens. Except I believe the secret societies don't
like they're sort of like proud of the idea that like it's important to them that they
do it without some without the absolute necessity of it probably of yeah like using an outside
tool like a drive but it seems like they obviously still do it like they probably especially as
for the initiates like what they described for the initiates themselves right it didn't like
they didn't say hallucinating drugs for the initiates it was more of that's like part of
their normal practices once you're once you're a member. of what would be the mystery schools,
right? Right. That's when maybe the hallucinogenic, but to get your mind to the place, you have
to go through the trials. Yeah, maybe it was part of the practice to give you the hallucinogenic
experience first to get your mind adapted, and then try to teach you how to achieve that state
without it. Or the opposite, because what they're saying here says candidates wishing to join
were made to fall down a well, undergo trial by water. squeeze through a very small door
and hold logic chopping discussions with anthropomorphic animals. So it, the hallucinogens weren't even
mentioned in the initiates. So the initiates, you know, they're, they're trying to join this
thing and you don't even get the hallucinogenic drugs until you're already joined it, it seems.
So maybe in order to get your mind to a place where the hallucinogenic drugs can actually
help you, you have to do these trials. You have to, you have to fall down a well, you have
to, you have to, you know, survive the water, squeeze through a small door, and have a logic.
Once your brain is tired enough, you're going to start hallucinating naturally. There's other
techniques too that are widely used, like sleep deprivation, fasting. They talked about that
too. And they did sensory, oh yeah, they said that, breathing exercises. They even say sacred
dance drama. Right. Dance is a big one that's used in a lot of tribal societies, like a drum
circle. Yeah. And like dancing to exhaustion as a way to bring on a visionary state. Who
was it that talked about having had an experience with monks in the mountains of Tibet or something?
It was a story I heard or was on somebody's podcast. Or it was just an ancient telling
of somebody who'd visited the monks in Tibet. And they talked about like the person being
like they've like saw them as like the next Buddha or something. And then they did a drum
circle for him and they showed how they can levitate a rock using sound. They did like
a drum circle to like beat be to the drums and that a certain distance from this wall and
the wall reverberating the sound anyway. Interesting. Yeah, we'll have to look into that more to
find out the whole story. Yeah. So.
Hi, Elimi. What's that next section you had in mind? The other thing this makes me think
of is there's a book I read years ago by this dude, Hank Wesselman. He used to actually teach
here at American River in town. He taught a shamanism and witchcraft and mythology sort
of course. He took the class? No, I never took the class, but I got to meet him. One of my
best friends' mom. like was like a lifetime student of his and would like always go to
everything and buy all his books. Oh really? She got us to like go to some of his workshops
where he like would teach you how to just with drumming and like meditation and breathing
techniques like induce like altered state. And I, I got close at times, but I never like went
as far. But I can see how you can get there with just those things. Yeah. I want to revisit
that book. I mean, if you really journey into the spirit journey into the sacred garden by
Hank Wesselman, if any of you guys are interested, I'll link to it. Yeah. Maybe we'll do one of
these for that. We got to find more copyright free stuff, though. So to end out the introduction
part of this book, I'm going to read this part, just a couple of paragraphs. This history of
the world is structured in the following way. The first four chapters will look at what happened
in the beginning as taught by the secret societies, including what is meant in the secret teachings
by the expulsion from Eden in the fall. These chapters will aim to provide an account of
the worldview of the secret societies, a pair of conceptual spectacles. So readers may, the
better, appreciate what follows. In the following seven chapters, many figures from myth and
legend are treated as historical figures. This is the history of what happened before written
records began, as it was taught in the mystery schools and is still taught in some secret
societies today. Chapter eight includes the transition into what is conventionally thought
of as the historical period, but the narrative continues to tell stories of monsters and fabulous
beasts, of miracles and prophecies, and historical figures who conspired with disembodied beings
to direct the course of events. Yeah, so that's, that's giving you an over, because we're going
to do the first seven chapters and this is kind of like beginning before history even begins.
This is the stories, this is the myth that they lived with. Like they were the first kind of
humans in a sense and that's actually
the first incarnate of human spirit. When they talk about how chimps. Yeah, he sort of. I
find it interesting, well, we'll wait till we get there, but I find it interesting the way
he treats the creation myth. He talks about humans, and if you break down what he's saying,
he's clearly talking about humans before they're actually humans. Before they're a physical
body. Or they're even a lower evolved life form and haven't evolved up to human. That's kind
of a way he, the way he describes it, it seems, is that the physical aspect of humanity was
lower evolved. And they hadn't perfected the human anatomy by this point. And what was the
human spirit in a sense was still there, but it was in different material form. It wasn't
a physical body yet. It wasn't a physical anything yet. It was more of like an ethereal idea.
It was like particles confined to an area, but not yet solidified. So they talked about how
it was almost like jelly-like. Like the plant phases, like there was like a proto-human that
was like a plant-based human form, but it wasn't a, it wasn't an animal, it wasn't what we are
today. It was still the spirit that we contain, that we are contained in. If you believe in
like reincarnation too, right? Like if you think about reincarnation and that the infinity of
that, that might bring about. The consciousness, also panpsychism, we... You know, we could
talk about that a little bit too. And the idea that consciousness is an inherent aspect of
the material world, like the material world was actually born out of the thought. Right.
So in this history, this is like topsy-turvy from the scientific take. So instead of matter
creating consciousness, the point of view here is that consciousness created matter. created
the, yeah, it had the, it was the thought that put matter into motion, into a way that, you
know, created- Which is interesting because like we still don't, I mean, obviously no one
knows. Sure, of course. But like even the cutting, most cutting edge of our physics, like no one
knows what could possibly even cause a Big Bang to happen. Like- But you know what else we
don't know? Our brains. We don't know anything about what is the makeup of consciousness or
the makeup of our brains and what can you consider to be consciousness and what is the spirit
and what is all these things that have been talked about for thousands of years in our
history. Modern science can't explain any of those things. So how can we take their, you
know, like, you can't just assume that what other people talk about and what might sound
woo or what might sound this or that. You can't take any of that without. understanding that
you can't prove them wrong. And you can't prove, there's no obvious answer to these questions.
So, I mean, anybody could be right and it could be a combination of everybody's idea of it.
But this is an account that kind of summarized a lot of, and it's kind of intuitive in a sense
of the way that they put it together. and how you think of your own anatomy and your mind
and how those things are completely different things, but they are brought together to form
this entity.
Yeah. Was that that, where was that one? Well, I was going to go into panpsychism a little
bit to give people an idea of like, where, this is kind of like the basis of like the idea
of like, um, where these stories come from is like the idea that our consciousness and our
human spirit was, was still here before we were, had a physical animal form that we do today.
So basically in panpsychism, um, they think of conscious consciousness as a fundamental
aspect of reality. Panpsychism suggests that consciousness is not exclusive to living beings
with complex brains, but it is a fundamental feature of the universe itself. It proposes
that consciousness is a fundamental property, much like space, time, and matter. Within panpsychism,
there is a concept called panexperientialism. Panexperientialism. That's close enough. This
idea suggests that not only do all things possess some form of consciousness, but they also have
some level of subjective experience. This does not necessarily mean that everything is self-aware
the way we are, but rather that there is a basic form of experience associated with it. Right,
like there is something it's like to be a bacteria crawling. Yeah. There is an experience there
whether the thing is experiencing it the way that you might expect them to experience it
They don't nothing, you know that bacterium probably doesn't have a concept of I like it
Probably has a concept of like go towards what I want get away from what I don't want, you
know Yeah, and it doesn't have to be a thought in the sense of we think about it, right? That's
still an experience It's absolutely an experience whether it's guided by instinct or thought
It's it's an experience where I get
Well, where it gets, I think less people have a problem with that. More people have a, like,
start to differ with panpsychism when you get into, like, consciousness in quote unquote
inanimate matter, like a rock or whatever, right? But I think it goes back even before that,
like we're talking like the creation event, right? Like whatever was the prime mover, the
unmoved mover that got things going. Yeah.
Like that is the consciousness that puts things into being that eventually coagulate and form
into later on living creatures, right? Yeah. Biological living creatures in any way. Right.
Yeah, so they do talk about this as the combination problem within pansegism. It says one challenge
that pansegism faces is the combination problem. If consciousness is a fundamental property
of basic elements... How does it give rise to the unified and complex forms of consciousness
found in higher organisms? Critics argue that panpsychism has difficulty explaining how individual
conscious entities combine to form more complex conscious experiences. So like how is our consciousness
formed in comparison to an ant if all the basic elements that make up the universe all have
a similar... state of consciousness, right? Well, I imagine, so I've heard people like
Donald Hoffman, you know, like, through his brain thing. And he falls into the panpsychist
camp. And for him, like the way he explains it is, basically whichever side you fall on,
like on the materialist or on the like panpsychist consciousness first side of things, then you
still, either way, you have a miracle at the beginning. Like you have something that's unexplained.
You still have to allow for that. And so either you start with matter and you have this big
giant mystery of how you come up with subjective experience from inanimate matter, or you have
the problem of starting with consciousness and building the consciousness side, which is easier
to do if you start with consciousness, but then you have the problem of bridging from that
to matter. So either way, it's kind of a conundrum. Yeah. But it's an interesting one. And Donald
Hoffman's book on panpsychism, that sort of worldview and interpretation of modern science
is really interesting. Yeah, I just started listening to his book on Audible. Yeah, The
Case Against Reality. Yeah, we'll link to it. But I also watched him on Lex Friedman, their
podcast he did with Lex Friedman. Yeah, he had a good one with Lex. Yeah, that was really
good. perfect interviewer for him, for a lot of people. Yeah, they went out there. It was
like three hours or something. It was pretty trippy. It actually kind of did the same thing
to me that reading this book does to me. It's like, I don't know, I've had this experience
reading this book, The Secret History, where I have to pause every so often because I'm
listening, right? So I have to pause every so often because I realize I haven't been listening
for the last couple of paragraphs because it keeps inspiring these weird trains of thought.
Yeah. It's like, uh, yeah, it's like the, you know, the accelerant on a, on a imaginative
fire. Like it's, you know what I mean? Like it definitely, it's a fun experience to read
for if, even if you don't believe in you of it, just for that sort of like dreamlike aspect
of it. Yes. I mean, it does a lot of the same things that reading those, those cold classic
childhood, you know, fanciful books and you know, right. Like it's the same kind of idea.
Like it's just a, it's a. narrative that was come about by a lot of different other stories
and it just sparks to the imagination because it has a lot of the same tropes. It uses, because
it's all like the, you know, the hero and talks about a lot of like the heroes from mythology
and like what they kind of represented in this. What's that next section you wanted to do?
Let's... Okay. What was the end of the introduction that we talked about the other night? where
it essentially challenges you to not take it seriously or do if you dare. Yeah, so I think
this is the beginning of right here. It says, induce in yourself a different state of mind.
And the most famous and familiar histories mean something very different. In fact, if anything
in the history is true, then everything your teachers tell you is thrown into question.
I suspect this prospect doesn't alarm you. As one of the devotees of the ancient secret philosophies
so memorably put it, you must be mad or you wouldn't have come here. That was kind of the
end of that. I don't know, I might have skipped a bit. That's like, no, that's like the attitude
though, like to go into this book with. Like, Just go at it with your imagination. If anything
in there is true, you kind of have to deal with it, which is interesting. I do want to read
this because I skipped right over, even though I was worried about it. It says, to help with
the all-important work of the imagination, there are strange and uncanny illustrations integrated
throughout, some of which have not previously been seen outside the secret societies. There
are also illustrations of some of the most familiar images from world history. The greatest icons
of our culture, Sphinx, Noah's Ark, and Trojan Horse, Mona Lisa, Hamlet, and the Skull, because
all of these are shown to have strange and unexpected meanings according to the secret societies.
So that was just before that. But yeah, that kind of gets us right into the beginning here.
Cool. Chapter. It's a pretty loose structure here, so we're gonna... Yeah. We'll take a...
We're at our 30 here, so... We'll take our first music break here, and we'll get into the meat
of things.
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We are back. Do you want to? We got to do our beer introduction. Yeah, we got to keep that
tradition going. At least for a while. Yeah, until we just forget and then nobody cared
and you know. I'm going to try stopping eating sugar and drinking like do a full cleanse here
coming up. So I support that. I probably won't be drinking during that time. But for now,
we are drinking mouthful of miracles cold IPA by. Dust Bowl Brewing Company. 6.6%, sorry,
Dad. Which is in Turlock, California. Cool, it's got like a kind of a Christmasy, like
white and blue. I really like this one. Hops. Yeah, it's actually good. It's the kind of
hoppy I like. It's like the celebration style. Yeah, it's like biting hops. Like they're really,
they got a very upfront in your face flavor, which I dig. Hit that top palate. All right,
well. We're back. We were going to get into chapter one here. I'm just going to read the
first few paragraphs here and get us talking about it. Okay. What's the... So in the beginning
is the name of the chapter. God peers at his reflection. The looking glass universe.
That's the subtitle of the chapter. Yeah. Cool. Once upon a time, there was no time at all.
Time is nothing but a measure of the changing positions of objects in space. And as any scientist,
mystic, or madman knows, in the beginning, there were no objects in space. For example, a year
is a measure of the movement of the Earth around the sun. A day is a revolution of the Earth.
on its axis, since by its own account, neither Earth nor Sun existed in the beginning. The
authors of the Bible never meant to say that everything was created in seven days in the
usual sense of a day. Despite this initial absence of matter, space, and time, something must
have happened to get everything started. In other words, something must have happened before
there was a was anything. Such a paradox. And there's a really cool image that kind of like
illustrates like the, I don't know, the essence of like what was happening in the beginning.
It's called The Chaos by Bernard Picart. 1731. See if I can get a copy of that. I think I've
already got it in our file.
It's called chaos. It's got a little description here. It says it is more likely that in the
beginning intelligence evolved out of matter Sometime after the creation of matter or is
it more likely that intelligence was inherent in matter from the beginning? Is our intelligence
a natural outgrowth of the intellect? Intel intelligence of the universe or a freak accident
Until recently, scientific materialists have insisted that in both cases, the former answer
is quite obviously the correct one. But in fact, it is not obvious and recently cutting edge
physicists and leading philosophers such as Francis Crick and Gallan Strossen have reconsidered
panpsychism as a convincing cosmology. And Donald Hoffman. Yeah. And more, I'm sure. Oh yeah.
Many more. Um. Yeah, just that original creation moment. Mm-hmm. That's...
It's too big to have in your head. It's too fundamental. Yeah, it definitely, once you
start thinking about it, it just kind of disappears. It almost fills up the imagination. You're
just like, oh, OK. I think I kind of understand the idea of it. Yeah, but how could you? Because
how can anything come from nothing? You need to picture it, right? Our brains work differently,
but. But it makes sense. There's like, clearly there can't be time if there's nothing for
time to tell the difference between. Yeah, like they talk about like in here, like, I'll even
read it just since it's right here. Since there was no thing when something first happened,
it is safe to say that the first happening must have been quite different from the sorts of
events we regularly account in terms of laws of physics. Right. You know, like it was just
such an extreme. event, whatever happened to initiate it, at least from our perspective,
right? Right.
To think about that as like, do you think about like that? There's still something that was
a thing before things were other things. Well, no. I mean, that's where like you just run
into, cause God, cause like, you can't. Yeah, you can't. You can't conceptualize nothing.
Yeah, especially when you're talking about everything that we know being come from that. Well, the
entire way our brain works is like to compare things together in order to differentiate one
thing from another. Yeah, how do you differentiate one nothing from another nothing? Right. Does
that get you into the infinity of it and like the tiny, like the mini, just like the, what
was that topic, that guy? It was Einstein's intuition, that whole idea. We've talked about
it before. even on here, I think. Yeah. The idea that everything is like. Well, that was
more about how space and time is structured. Yeah, but to think about it, like. Does he
talk about the Big Bang? I guess he does, huh? Yeah. At some point. I forget his take on it.
I can't remember exactly either. It's been a little while since I looked in it. But. I mean,
I guess if you just like, even without his specific, if you understand the idea of what he's talking
about and like, like if it there was, if it's just going. I guess you'd have to understand
his framework for it, but yeah, we'll talk about that later.
Where else were we going? Ah, here we go. While you are still on the threshold and before you
risk wasting any more time on this history, I must make it plain that I am going to try
to persuade you to consider something that may be alright by a mystic or a madman, but which
a scientist will not like. A scientist will not like it at all. To today's most advanced
thinkers, academics like Richard Dawkins and Charles Simony, professor of the public understanding
of science at Oxford, and the other militant materialists who regulate and maintain the
scientific world view, the mind of God is no better than the idea of a white haired old
man up above the clouds. Yeah. That's true. I mean, that's basically what it's compared
to. I mean, there's nothing to argue there. But he's challenging you to... Take it seriously
if you dare. Right. which I find fun. Oh, here we go. So in this story, what did happen before
time? What was the primal mental event, right? I guess they're talking about like the original
thought that created things, right? In this story, God reflected on himself. So that was
kind of the thought, I want to see myself or experience myself. Yeah. He looked as it were
into an imaginary mirror and saw the future. He imagined beings very like himself. He imagined
free creative beings capable of loving so intelligently and thinking so lovingly that they could transform
themselves and others of their kind in their innermost being. They could expand their minds
to embrace the totality of the cosmos and in the depths of their hearts, they could discern
to. The secrets of this of its subtlest workings. Putting yourself into God's position involves
imagining that you were staring at your reflection in a mirror. You are willing the image of yourself,
you see there to come alive and take on its own independent life. So that was kind of the
original thought then. Yeah. It was like, I want to see myself. I want to. I've what's
funny is like. Obviously I've heard these ideas because I've read the book before, but the
ideas themselves seem familiar. I don't know if it's from new agey stuff that I got into
for a while. But as far as the teachings go or the philosophy is or what? I've encountered
the idea that God was essentially trying to create some people for himself to hang out
with later on down the road. Yeah, like he got bored. I'm going to create some company for
myself. Well, and it's like the idea too of like, I think they go into it here, but like
the stories of like Zeus and like a lot of these other gods of the early ages, like the polytheistic
gods, like they were able to like cut themselves open and put a body inside them or whatever
it might be, a beating heart from somebody who recently died. And like they would spawn the
fully grown versions like. It's like a weird time. It's fascinating. Um, let me talk about
some of the. I know it goes into, I mean, it's hard because I want to read a lot of this,
but I also don't want to get copyrighted. We'll take the show down, or this episode down later
on. If you have to. Once we're popular enough for us to get copyrighted on this. So it goes
on to say, today's scientists will tell you that in the hour of your greatest anguish,
there is no point in crying out to the heavens with any expression of your deepest, most heartfelt
feelings. because you will find no answering resonance there. The stars can show you only
indifference. The human task is to grow up, to mature, to learn to come to terms with this
indifference. The universe that this book describes is different because it was made with humankind
in mind. In this history of the universe, the anthropocentric is anthropocentric. Every single
particle of it straining, directed towards humankind. This universe has nurtured us through the millennia,
cradled us, helped the unique thing that is human consciousness to evolve, and guided each
of us as individuals towards the great moments in our lives. When you cry out, the universe
turns towards you in sympathy. When you approach one of life's greatest crossroads, the whole
universe holds its breath to see which way you will choose. You know, there's this like internet
meme going around where people will make fun of people who like, main character syndrome,
they like feel like the whole world revolves around them. And there's like a negative aspect
to that, but like this is essentially saying like, there's kind of a positive aspect to
that as well, like an empowering aspect to that. Sure, I can see it. The universe created you
to be here and it doesn't know what your next decision is gonna be either. All right, so
it's waiting in anticipation for you to make that choice so it can change its structure.
Dude, in a sense, you gotta really think about it. You are a physical thing in a physical
place. It's affecting things that, for all we know, it's just happening for the first time.
And it's like there's no, we don't know, but there's no person or there's no fate, you're-
you're not fated to a certain thing, like you have some kind of free will, right? If you
believe that. Then... Versus like the determinism of materialism? Yeah. It's interesting though,
because like some of these ancient religions have like a determinism too. There's like God's
plan, or in like Greek mythology, you have like the three fates. Yeah, but you also gotta remember...
..plan out the destiny of the universe. Yeah, but that's also the universe itself, right?
So like, you got to think about the day to day lives of the creatures on the planet and how
they need to see things in order to accomplish what is needed to be accomplished. This kind
of relates back to that economics episode last week, because like it's, it's all about human
action, right? Like it's like that whole study, that particular discipline. is studied in that
way a priori because it comes from human experience and we can draw information from human experience
because we're human experiencers versus like studying the physical world. It's something
out there that we can only do experiments with and gather data on and make up theories and
refine our view. But when we're introspecting, we in a way it's more confusing and subjective
and all over the place. But at in another way, it's more definite because the answers are
there within you somehow. Yeah. I mean, it seems like the micro and macro have a lot in common.
You can study within yourselves and find out a lot about the geometries too. You think about
the geometries within life that we've been able to study. Now with like... cooler and better
and better telescopes that were sent out into the universe. You're seeing a lot of these
similar geometries in the universe. You're seeing these spirals that are also natural and formations
on Earth, a physical matter. It's like everything is built on a resonant frequency. And they
talk about in here how the stars above actually change. There's some examples that I think
we'll get into. If the universe is created purposefully to create intelligent life, the anthropomorphic
principle, like the idea of like the Goldilocks zone, like all, like you know about like all
these like scientific constants that are like just right for us to be here. Like we're in
the habitable zone around our sun, our universe, our atmosphere has just the right, I was just
watching a video on this on like. runaway global warming, like what happened to Venus, and how
that will eventually happen to us once the sun heats up about 10%. But we just happen to have
the perfect atmospheric composition to not be an ice ball and not be... Volcano planet. Not
be a volcano. Or gas. Right, not be a nasty overheated sauna. Yeah. I mean, we know there's
cycles, there's cycles of the universe, there's cycles within our body and then there's cycles
of the seasons and then there's cycles of the solar system. These are all cyclical, so it
almost seems like, what if there's a Goldilocks stone that is like, if you were to think of
a spotlight shone down on a... Well, for us, think of a 2D plane and you're shining a light
and anything in that light is a goldilocks zone. You know, and like you put it over like a different
like two dimensional creatures and they like grow and they flourish. And then as the light
passes, the ages change and like the parts of the universe change as far as what's fertile.
Mm hmm. So when that light shines on something with the with a certain that already has a
certain chemical makeup. Maybe it's like some kind of, you know what I'm saying? Are you
like in your analogy that light is like? Is the Goldilocks zone shined through the gal?
It's like, I guess you would think of more like without there being an effect. So more of like
a laser where it's like, I don't know. Right. It wouldn't matter. But there's also like the
strength of like electromagnetism and gravity. So like they're just such. They're right. to
the degree where not everything clumps up, but not everything pushes apart. And just all these
different scientific constants that make it so freakishly, if you multiply all those out,
it's so freakishly unlikely that we find ourselves where we do. With all these things lining up
and working where they are. Right. Like if you ask a materialist, well, that's the- Probability.
That's the anthropomorphic. Fallacy or whatever where like of course all that stuff is true
because you're here, but What infinite probability though like you know like you wouldn't be here
to question it if it weren't true, right? Like So we have to find ourselves in a place suitable
for life because we are life but in another sense like it almost like suggests Like on
the spiritual side of things I could almost suggest like there's a plan like there's like
a well oiled machine that is meant to be leaving here. Absolutely. So I'll read a little bit
more in here. Keep going a bit. All the upside down, inside out, other way around thinking
of the secret societies, all that is bizarre and mind betting in what follows stems from
the belief that mind preceded matter. We have almost no evidence to go on when we decide
what we believe happened at the beginning of time. But the choice we make has massive implications
for our understanding of the way the world works. If you believe that matter came before mind,
you have to explain how chance coming together of chemicals creates consciousness, which is
difficult. If on the other hand, you believe that matter is precipitated by the cosmic mind,
you have the equally difficult problem of explaining how of providing a working model from the priest.
Well, you have the equally difficult problem of explaining how. and of providing a working
model. From the priests of the Egyptian temples to today's secret societies, the
Falagors to Rudolf Steiner, the great Austrian initiate of the late 19th to early 20th century,
this model has always been conceived of as serious of thoughts emanating from the cosmic mind,
These thoughts, thought emanations later became a sort of proto matter, energy that became
increasingly dense. This became matter so ethereal that it was finer than the gas with, without
particles of any kind. Eventually the emanations became gas, then liquid, and finally solids.
Right. That talks- Like that sounds eerily similar to like a Big Bang approach where like in the
early, early Big Bang, like- The universe was too hot to form molecules. So it's just a gaseous.
And then eventually it cools down enough that protons and neutrons can bind together. Originally
it was just a soup of quarks and subatomic particles. And it has to cool down enough for those to
clump together into protons and neutrons. And then it has to clump into protons and neutrons.
And then later on, you can get electrons. Mm-hmm. And it's like this process of like coming from
pure energy down into matter and that's basically. modern sciences take on the Big Bang as well.
That's actually not that far away. Right. It's just they attach a lot of stories to it. Well,
because it's coming from mind. It's coming from creation, from a thought. It's not happening
because the matter is not what eventually creates the thought that can look back on it. It's
the thought emanating, which creates some kind of effect on the. whatever was, whatever was
so inactive that it didn't even create matter, right? Whatever was so... Well, that's interesting
too, because if you think about what is a thought, right? Like, what is a thought physically?
It's like a pattern of energy signals going off in your brain or something like that. Let's
say the materialist conception of it. But we're talking the pattern of energy. Like... evolving
over time, that is a thought, right? And that can kind of be a metaphor for like the creation
of the universe too. Right. So you could describe everything coming out of a singularity. Sure.
And forming particles. But that was energy changing over time and in that could be defined as a
thought anyway. Yeah, I guess that's true. So then like almost like the telling of it the
way it is a way to put it to a story so that people remember over time. Sure. The telling
of it in that way. Yeah, so. As a way to immortalize it in a sense. This could be like secret societies.
That's where a lot of these stories come from. Preserving knowledge from like the pre-Ice
Age flood, right? And like this is like their best way to like preserve what was at one point
scientifically understood but gets passed down in myth. Yeah. Or it could just be that that's
kind of the way it is. You know? Yeah. Like maybe there is. I don't know. I mean, yeah,
that's kind of where our whole discussion is, is just the dichotomies between those two things,
the science and spirituality aspects of our minds. It makes my mind go crazy because I'm
like a reluctant agnostic, like I'm not comfortable enough to fully believe in God, but I'm not
an atheist either. Like I think there has to be something. Right. So like this topic tickles
my brain. It's just what it is, and are we only just hearing stories of it? Yeah. Like everything
that we know about the beginning is a story. Right. We can't know anything. No. But everything
we hear and everything we talk about. We keep pointing out like it's a belief. It's a belief
that you're choosing it one way or the other. Yep. But it has huge implications, whichever
way you choose, that you think it will. For your path. Right. As an individual, you choose
the path as far as your. And if you think you're going to go the materialist route, and justify
it by saying, we don't have evidence for the other one. We don't have evidence for either
way. Yep. Exactly. That's what makes these topics so much fun to talk about. Like you can't prove
any of it, so why not have the discussion? Yeah.
What's the next bit we get? Yeah. So yeah, they talk about the big why question of life, right?
So they say, so the big why questions. Why life? Why the universe? As a matter of quite elementary
philosophical distinction cannot be answered by scientists, or more accurately, not by scientists
acting in their capacity as scientists. If we ask, why are we here? We may be fotted up with
questions which, like the girl's earlier question, are perfectly valid in the sense of... Oh yeah.
You're skipping over this analogy that he makes? I can kind of, I think I can kind of do the
analogy off memory. Okay, do it. And he's basically saying, like, he gives this analogy that, like,
this boy is in love with this girl, and he asks her... to go out with him and she says no.
and he asks her why, right? So that's like a why question. And there's lots of ways you
can answer that question. She can say, oh, my family needs me home for dinner. She can say,
oh, I have this or that on my plans. Like, I am going to sit at home and not go out with
you, right? Like, these are all valid answers to why. But that's not the kind of why that
the boy is asking. Yeah. What the boy really wants to know is, why are you rejecting me?
Yeah. Right? Like, he doesn't want to know. He wants to know the reason behind the rejection,
because he's basically self-conscious. Well, that's what he's interested in. He's interested
in her and spending time with her when she says no. Like, he wants to know why she doesn't
want to spend time with him, not why she couldn't happen to get there that day. Right? I see
what you're... So like the fulfilling answer is, why are you choosing to not spend time
with me? The superficial answer is, oh, I have to go... I got something. I forgot I got a
babysit, right? Like that's a superficial answer. Right, but the real reason might be we didn't
click. Right, exactly. So, and so what you're searching for in the answer to that why question
is the more fulfilling deep why. And what science attempts to do is... answer on those like superficial
questions, but it doesn't technically go for that deep wide and that leads into that paragraph.
So yeah, we'll start it there. Then if we ask why we are here, we may be fought it off with
the, with answers, which like the girls early answers are perfectly valid in the same, in
the sense of being grammatically correct answers to the question, but which leave a twist of
disappointment in the pit of, of the stomach. Because they don't answer the question in the
way that deep down we want it answered. The fact is that we have, we all have a deep-seated,
perhaps in erraticable longing for such questions to be answered at the level of intention. The
scientists who don't grasp the distinction, however brilliant they are as scientists, are
philosophical morons. Obviously, we can choose to give parts of our lives purpose and meaning
if I choose to play soccer, then kicking the ball into the back of the net means a goal.
But our lives as a whole from birth to death cannot have meaning without a mind that existed
beforehand to give it meaning. Right. And so like the fulfilling answers to that question
is not. Like the superficial answer, the grammatically correct answer is, oh, because a bunch of gas
exploded and then formed and blew up into stars and then chunks around that formed into rocky
planets. And on that little rocky planet, a bunch of water formed and a bunch of lightning
storms and tectonic shifts that led to life and evolution to all these different creatures.
And now you're here. Like, sure, like, that's kind of why. But it's not why in the way you
want to know, why are we here? Yeah. You want to know what the original thought was, like,
why did you create me in your image, or whatever it might be? You're searching for an intention,
which is exactly what he's warning, that scientists won't like this at all, right? Because trying
to put intention on the universe. But if you believe in some sort of creator, or being,
or a consciousness first, or panpsychism, That question is actually a valid question. That
should be answered in a deeper manner.
Goes on today we are Today we are encouraged to put aside the big questions of life and
death. Why are we here? What is the meaning of life such questions are strictly meaningless?
We are told just get on with it. And so we lose some of the sense of how strange it is to be
alive. I Mean, that's so true. Like it is Like it when you actually sit in your room and you
think about the fact that you're sitting there in your room having thoughts And then you think
about the fact that, you know, like you start getting into like a, dude, like you could start
there and you could really get into like the fact that this is happening, like it's, it
does get accentuated when you've done some kind of psychedelic too, I must say, cause I've
done those, you know, and you, or just if you can somehow maintain that perspective of a
child that like childlike wonder at everything. Yeah. And I can attest to that as well. Like
you start seeing the world differently again when you have kids, or at least if you're able
to put yourself there, kids help in that because they are like that. But it's a... What was
the... It was a quote from one of our previous episodes on the economics one where he's like,
oh, it's from Eye Pencil. We're suffering. We're not suffering from a lack of wonders. We're
suffering from a lack of wonder. Yep. Right? Like, you can get caught up in the routine.
You can get caught up in the day to day, and going to work, and coming home, and making
dinner, and taking care of kids, and paying your bills, and doing this, and doing that,
and keeping up with everyone. And you just get this routine, this rhythm to life, and it can
make you not spend the appropriate amount of time sitting there contemplating the fact that,
dude, we're curling in space on a rock that in a universe that will kill us, 99% of the
places we would go. We happen to be in this place that is this like magical nursery for
beings like us. At least at the scale that at which we live, right? Because we live in such
a finite time scale that it's easy to get lost in the mundane day to day stuff. But when you
really think about it and you think about Like the amount of people, especially when you contemplate
stuff like the Carl Sagan quote when he looks at the photo of the pale blue dot, when we
turn the cameras backwards, I don't remember which expedition it was, like a Voyager or
something, whether we just sent it out into space to take pictures. And they look back
and they saw this fine little, like this tiny little pale blue dot that was earth, and it
looks like there's this like beam of light. that like is like intrancent and that's what
where I was going with earlier is like this idea of like this Goldilocks beam that emanates
through space. You know, and obviously I don't know what that beam that beam of light on that
photo could just be an artifact for all I know. Yeah, but if you look up if you look at it,
you see those rays those lines of light.
pulling it up now, but yeah, it's, it's weird to think about. Like if you, if, if that was,
I don't know what that would be other than. Yeah. An artifact of the camera or something.
I'll put the image.
Yeah, right there on the right, right there. Yeah. But yeah, you basically just talked about
like how tiny and infinitesimal it is in the scale of the universe, but how everything in
the entire history of humans and the entire history of the earth all happened on that tiny
little dot. Yeah. Here's the quote from Sagan. Look again at that dot. That's here. That's
home. That's us. On it. Everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every
human being, whoever was, lived out their lives, the aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands
of confident religions, ideologies and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every
hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant. Every
young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every
teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every superstar, every supreme leader, every
saint and sinner in the history of our species live there on a moat of dust suspended in a
sunbeam. Is that sun? Yeah. So that's a sunbeam. That's a sun. Yeah. That solves it. That's
crazy. The way it looks though, right? It's just illuminated by the sunbeam. It's just
a tiny little duck. Cute, yeah. I don't know how far away that is. Maybe we'll find out
by the time we publish this, but that's a good quote.
So I was gonna end with this, I guess, the very end of that first chapter. Today we are encouraged
to put aside the big questions of life and death. Why are we here? What is the meaning of life?
Such questions are strictly meaningless, we are told. Just get on with it so we lose that
sense of how strange it is to be alive. Did I already read this? Yeah, you got that part.
I cut you off right after that. Oh, that's right. This book has been written in the belief that
something valuable is in danger of being snuffed out altogether. And that as a result, we are
less alive than we used to be. I am suggesting that if we look at the basics of the human
condition from a different angle, we may appreciate the science doesn't really know as much as
it claims to know. That it fails to address what is deepest and highest in human experience.
In the next chapter, we will begin to imagine ourselves into the minds of the initiates of
the ancient world and to see the... the world and from their perspective. We will consider
ancient wisdom we have forgotten and to see that perspective even though as modern science
encourages us to think as most solidly, reliably and true are really just a matter of interpretation.
Little more than a trick of the light. So true. Heck yeah. Let me, where did my bookmarks go?
Cool. All right, well, maybe we should take another little break here, I think. And we'll
come back. Yeah, we might end up only getting a few chapters in on this one. I know, right?
Because I knew it was going to happen, too. Yeah. So this one might be just a long, drawn-out
series. It's just because we keep getting sidetracked to talk about it, which is good. No, it's good.
That's what we want. Anyway, we'll be back.
We are back. Hello, hello. Hola. So, yeah, we left. Babies are good. Kids are sleeping. Although
they're moving around a lot. Filled up some drinks.
talked a little bit more about things that we should have been recording for probably. So
yeah, so we're on to chapter two. It's called A Short Walk in the Ancient Woods, Imagining
Ourselves into the Minds of the Ancients.
So these days we tend to think very reductively about our thoughts. We tend to go along with
the prevailing intellectual fashion that sees thoughts as nothing more than words, perhaps
with a penumdra of other stuff such as feelings, images, and so on, but with only the words
themselves having any real significance.
The wise men and women of ancient world knew how to work with these dimensions, and others,
and over the millennia they created refined images which would help them with this work
as taught in the mystery schools. The very early history of the world unfolds in a series of
images of this type. Before considering these powerful and evocative images, I now want to
ask the reader to begin to take part in an imaginative exercise. to try to imagine how someone in
ancient times, a candidate who hoped for initiation into a mystery school, would have experienced
the world. Of course, it is a way of experiencing the world that is completely delusional from
the point of view of modern science. But as this history progresses, we will see more and
more evidence that many of the great men and women of history have deliberately cultivated
this ancient state of consciousness. we will see that they have believed that it gives them
a view of the way the world really is, the way it works, that is some of the ways, that is
in some ways superior to the modern way. They have brought back into the real world insights
that have changed the course of history, not only by inspiring works of art and literature
of the greatest genius, but by prompting the history's greatest scientific discoveries.
Therefore, let us now try to imagine ourselves into the mind of someone about two and a half
thousand years ago walking through woodland to a sacred grove or temple such as New Grange
in Ireland or Eleusis in Greece. To such a person the wood and everything in it was alive. Everything
was watching him. Unseen spirits whispered in the movements of the trees. A breeze brushing
against the cheek was the gesture of a god. If the buffeting of blocks of air in the sky
created lightning, this was an outbreak of cosmic will. And maybe he walked a little faster.
Perhaps he sheltered in a cave. When ancient man ventured into a cave, he had a strange
sense of being inside his own skull, cut off in his own private mental space. If he climbed
to the top of a hill, he felt his consciousness race to the horizon in every direction. Out
towards the edges of cosmos, he felt at one with it. At night, he experienced the sky as
the mind of the cosmos. When he walked along a woodland pathway, he would have had a strange
sense of following his destiny. Today, many of us may wonder. How did I end up in this
life that seems to have little or nothing to do with me? Such a thought would have been
inconceivable to someone in the ancient world, where everyone was conscious of his or her
own place in the cosmos. Everything that happened to him, even the sight of a moat in a sunbeam,
the sound of a flight of a bee, or the sight of a falling sparrow, was meant to happen.
Everything spoke to him. Everything was a punishment, a reward, a warning or a premonition if he
saw an owl, for example. This wasn't just a symbol of the goddess. It was Athena, part
of her. A warning finger perhaps was protruding into the physical world, into his own consciousness.
It's important to understand. the particular way in which human beings have affinities with
the physical world according to the ancients. They believed in a quite literal way that nothing
inside us is without a correspondence in nature. Worms, for example, are the shape of intestines,
and worms process matter as intestines do. The lungs that enable us to move freely through
space with bird-like freedom are the same shape as birds. The visible world is humanity turned
inside out. Lung and bird are both expressions of the same cosmic spirit, but in different
modes. Which is... Yeah, that's super interesting. That's interesting to think about like all
the different processes within a human are like anthropomorphized in a sense. Yeah, but like
if you do that exercise and you follow that experience and you try to imagine yourself
as someone who doesn't know any of the stuff you learn in science classes and instead you
grew up in a world that is explained to you as... you know, with all these gods and goddesses
and their control over nature, and that all of these things are conscious actions of a
deity or a spirit that would be a very different experience of life. Yeah. Like you have an
understanding of the like narrative of the physical world instead of just experiencing it as a
cold act of nature. Right. You've developed a narrative behind what the physical acts of
nature represent in a sense, right? I mean, honestly, when you think about it, like kind
of in a way, we still live this way because we can't keep all of the scientific knowledge,
like even the best scientists, like no one, like the eye pencil, no one can build a pencil.
No one knows how to build a cell phone, right? Like to a lot of people, like what is a cell
phone? It's something that, you know, what's an iPhone? It's something that Steve Jobs created.
Even though Steve Jobs, like he was just like a loose product designer CEO. Like he didn't
do all the hard work of integrating all the circuits and designing the microchips and you
know, like that's all like a simplification. It's a narrative that we paint over the complexity
of the real world. in order to derive useful meaning. And that kind of goes into like Donald
Hoffman's theory of like, of I guess he's a panpsychist, all right. Donald Hoffman, I think
he would at least not be offended by that classification. But like the idea that.
I lost my train of thought there for a second, but he basically talks about how like the universe
is inherent. Man, I lost my train of thought. We're gonna have to come back to that. Unfortunate.
But yeah, the just that experience of like seeing an owl fly by and like being confident that
that's like Athena telling you something. That's a crazy thought. I mean, like, it's like, how
different is it from like someone seeing like the Virgin Mary in their toast? Right, yeah.
Like it's your- Is it a product of the human imagination or is it a product of- But even
if it is a product of the human imagination, if like we live in a consciousness first world,
That's meaningful. Yeah, absolutely. Right. Yeah, and in the Secret History of the World,
they go on to talk about, so they go on to say, more strikingly perhaps, the complex symmetric
shapes of plants were believed to be caused by the patterns of the stars and planets that
move across the sky above. As a heavenly body takes a path that sees a curving back on itself
like a shoelace, so the same shape is traced in the curling motion of a leaf as it grows,
or a flower. For example, they saw Saturn, which traces a sharp pattern in the sky forming the
pine needles of conifers. Is it a coincidence that modern science shows that pine trees contain
unusually large traces of lead? the metal believed by the ancients to be inwardly animated by
the planet Saturn. Right. So that's like now we're talking like alchemy stuff there. And
then it shows this image, figure two here, a modern drawing after Rudolf Steiner illustrating
the disposition of human organs as taught in Rosicrucian philosophy. So it shows the depiction
of the solar system. configured in such a way based on their orbits, I'm assuming. The patterns
that something draws in the sky. And then it relates that to the lungs and heart, all the
vital organs. Yeah. It's a cool image. We'll throw it up. It is cool. Have it linked.
The skeptic in me wants to be like, yeah, but it's only gonna look like that at a certain
time of year. Well, if that year is when your alignment happens, then... You know, there's
a lot of the zodiacal stuff. So it says science has coined the word biorythms to describe the
way that... the way the relationships of the Earth with the Moon and the Sun marked by the
sequence of the seasons and day following night is built biochemically deep into the function
of every living being, for example, in sleep patterns. But beyond these more obvious rhythms,
the ancients recognized how other, more mathematically complex rhythms that involve the outer reaches
of the cosmos work their way into human life. So it's saying the same way that we know that
there's biological effects when the moon and the sun and the earth are in certain configurations.
Right. Like we know that there's a physiological effect, especially for people who are more
sensitive in whatever way. I just like want to know scientifically what's the mechanism.
You know, like I can imagine like, like if we're way more sensitive to like gravitational fields
than we think we are, then I mean, certain people are. Yeah. Certain people with certain frequencies,
the different planets being in different alignments would cause different gravitational patterns,
but
maybe electron. Maybe there's like a big electromagnetic field that's shared between them. Or it's even
just geometrically and mathematically, like they were saying, like it says here, it says
humans breathe on average 25,920 times per day, which is the number of years in a great platonic
year. So the number of years it takes the sun to complete a full cycle of the zodiac Right
Is the same number Of average breaths in a day Yeah This reminds me of like Randall Carlson's
talks about like All the measurement systems Yeah Yeah, absolutely I'll link to some of
that He's got some cool stuff He's a Freemason and a lot of these modern day esoteric and
like groups, you know, stem from a lot of this. Right. Ancient. The Freemasons are one of those
secret societies that preserve a lot of this knowledge. Right. It's where a lot of this
stuff came from. So, um, it asks, um, in this interconnected was not if this, so this sense
of interconnectedness was not just a matter of bodily anger, energy, interconnectedness.
It extended to consciousness too. When our man on a walk saw a flock of birds turn as one
in the sky, it seemed to him as if the flock were moved altogether by one thought. And indeed,
he believed that this was the case. If animals in the wood moved altogether in a sudden, violent
way, if they panicked, they had been moved by pan. Our man knew at this. Pan the god, the
deity Pan. Yeah, I was going to say, okay. Our man knew that this was exactly what was happening
because he commonly experienced great spirits thinking through himself and their other people
at the same time. He knew that when he reached the mystery school and his spiritual master
introduced astonishing new thoughts to him and his fellow peoples, they would all be experiencing
the very same thoughts. Just as if the master were holding up physical objects for them.
In fact, he felt closer to people when sharing thoughts he never did through mere physical
proximity. Yeah. That's interesting. Hmm. So master, I love that etymology of the word panic
for the God pan. Yeah. That's where we get that. So yeah, it kind of goes on to talk about more
illustrations of what it was like.
When a thought came to the man walking through the woods, he felt as if he had been brushed
by the wing of an angel or by the robe of a God. He sensed a presence even if he could
not always perceive it directly and in detail. That's kind of like, like if you're thinking
about like creatives today, right? And they talk about this flow state. Yeah. They talk
about like this. A source of inspiration. Yeah. Like, well, they'll create something great
and they'll feel like it was like. it happened to them rather than they created it. Yeah.
It was an experience that they had that emanated in this work of whatever they were. But a lot
of times it's, it's focused into what they were intending at the time. Yeah. So I had that
experience. Like I used to break dance and like, at like the height of like my depth in it,
like I started to like scratch the surface of that flow state where you can just like your
mind shuts off. Yeah. and you're not thinking or planning, but you're just being moved more
than you are choosing the movements. Yeah. It's just, it's a crazy state to find yourself in.
Have you ever had that in anything? Yeah, I mean, I've had moments, I don't know that,
especially at the time in my life, I wouldn't have been able to derive that from it. So,
but there's a lot of times in your life where you just know you're in the zone, right? I
never got that good with an instrument that I felt like I could just turn my brain off.
Like I can pick my way and create a song, but like I never got like that proficient like
I did. I would say with anything for anything, it would be like with physical movements, like
with sports and like certain aspects of like sports, like you become like, those are like
ways of like physically moving your body in a certain way to. Yeah. I think a lot of people
like are treated to instinct. Yeah. Like it's more of a primal mode of the mind. your preparation
falls behind what is instinctually just your ability to go out there. Your instincts fall
to a more subconscious, or no, your conscious, everything you've worked on to gain all of
this knowledge and prowess and whatever it might be, falls to a more subconscious mode. sense.
Like once you get to the flow state, it's almost described as like the subconscious takes over
and the conscious becomes subconscious. It's like you have all the knowledge you need, but
then you turn on this mode of not having to think through it. Yeah, you're not being analytical
anymore. Yeah, you're turning off that part of the brain in a sense. Which is fascinating
to think about, like in this context, like people can achieve that from just thought. Imagine
achieving like a flow state in that from just creative thought and imagination. Dude. Like
writers. If you're a writer or you practice any sort of meditation or something and you've
experienced a mental flow state, write us a letter. Host that duality. Check.net. Describe
that to us. Describe it to us. I'd love to hear about that. So. It says here, we'll keep going.
When a thought came to the man walking through the woods. Oh yeah, we said that. Um, today
we experienced moments of illumination as interior events while the ancients experienced them
as impingingly on them from outside. Impinging on them from outside. Yeah. So it wasn't within
like these thoughts are physical manifestations of the world around them. Right? So like they
are describing thought as something coming from outside of themselves. Right. Which, you know,
if you actually try and quiet your mind out, like I've done like surface level meditation,
but like, just the practice of like trying to stop thinking about stuff is a crazy practice
because you find that just thoughts happen. Yeah. Spontaneously. Yeah. without thought
needing to having been there before. The connection's already there for thoughts that happen. So
I was like, trying to control it. Yeah. She brings up the question, like, what are you?
Like, if you're not even your thoughts, if your thoughts happen to you, like, what are you?
Cause you're not exactly your body. Like you're kind of contained within your body, but like,
as long as you can lose pieces of it, as long as there's an effort to live. Like you're still
there. Yeah, you see yourself through perception in this physical form, but are you And if you're
not exactly your thoughts either, then what's left? Are you the ego part? Are you the, Well,
are you just the receptor? Yeah. Are you the receptor that takes in the, the experience
of your senses because your senses are taking in more than what we are perceiving. Right.
So like there are things to perceive outside of what our brains are designed to encompass.
Like they focus it to a point that can be utilized by our brain to create images of the world
and create thoughts of, you know... past, present, and future, which gives us the ability to plan,
which gives us the ability to mourn and to suffer. And they go on to talk about this too when
they talk about the plant life and once the proto-humans and once they became more solidified
in human form, they were bound to suffer once we became solid and human in the sense of not
being connected to the ultimate. like cosmic consciousness, you know? Yeah. Should we get
it? That's the next chapter, right? I think so, yeah. Should we jump into that? Or is there
more on this one that you wanted to cover? I just want to, we'll just finish with this,
I guess. Returning to the man walking through the ancient wood, we now see that he experienced
the spirits behind the sun, the moon, and other heavenly bodies as working on different parts
of the mind and body. He felt. his limbs moving like the flowing mercury as he felt the spirits
of Mars raging inside him in the fierce river of molten iron that was his blood. The state
of his kidney was affected by the movements of Venus. Modern science is only just starting
to understand the role the kidney plays in sexuality. At the beginning of the 20th century, it discovered
that the kidney's
Then in the, yeah, so I found that out in the beginning of the 20th century. And then in
the 1980s, the Swiss pharmaceutical giant, well, Lada began to conduct tests showing that movements
of the planets affected chemical changes in the metal salt solutions that are dramatic
enough to be seen with the naked eye. It's like a metal solution, metal salt solution within
the body. I mean, I'm assuming. No, I think you're like, yeah. So they were detecting that
in there, but then they can conclude that it's happening within the body as well? Right, if
those are salt solutions that are natural to humans. Okay.
Um, in the mystery schools taught that as well as head consciousness, we each have, for example,
a heart consciousness was emanates from the sun, then enters our mental space via the heart.
Or to put it in other ways, the heart is the portal through which the sun God enters our
lives. Likewise, a kind of kidney consciousness beams into us from Venus, spreading out into
our minds and body via the portal of our kidneys. So they talk about this portal thing. And I
think Donald Hoffman talks about that too, this whole phenomena of like the consciousness part,
like the particles, like being like, we are made up of like portals to like. the consciousness
that is the universe, I guess. Right. Like every aspect of our- Fractal parts of it in the same
way that like our cells are like fractal parts of us. Yeah, so like as things change, the
different parts of our body are made up of particles that are portals to the- So this last text
was kind of like alchemical slash old style medicine where- Like if you detect that certain
organs are high in certain minerals and you have like alchemical traditions for like what
those minerals represent, what planets and bodies they're tied to in connection with, then you
can draw like parallels for like where those other thoughts and associations associated
with those planets, those beings, those entities. like how they enter your body through the portal
of that particular organ, which is a interesting view. And obviously science would hate it.
It's, it's pretty fascinating. And like putting yourself in the shoes of that initiate back
then, walking through the woods, like that's the way they see the world.
Yeah, it's a fascinating way to think about it. So, that kind of wraps up chapter two.
Or, yeah, chapter two.
Do you want to take a break or do you want to keep going here? We can take a short break.
music queued up so the music is entering right now.
That song's actually perfect for this segment. It's called Sunshine. And the one with lyrics,
there were like- You've been good at that. Yeah. It's like the second time this has happened.
They're like personifying the sun, like as a woman. Like they're talking about a woman,
but using all language that you would use to talk about the sun. Like a ray of sunshine.
Yeah. Which is like that whole personification, that whole- Dude, that's... Anth And that's
perfectly... Seeing me in the natural world. That is perfectly appropriate. So we left off
at the end of chapter two. That was the short walk in the ancient woods. We are now going
to chapter three, the Garden of Eden. This is going to kind of... This is subtitled here
as the Genesis Code. Enter the dark lord, the flower people. I don't think they say that.
I don't think the dark lord is the flower people. I think they're, those are separate. Yeah.
I think that's like the state of like the proto humans at the time. Right? Yep. So it says
here, science and religion agreed that in the beginning of the COT, in the beginning, the
cosmos moved from a state of nothingness to the, to the existence of matter.
But science has very little to say about this mysterious transition, all of it highly speculative.
Scientists are even divided on whether matter was created all at once or whether it continues
to be created.
the initiate priests of the ancient world, their secret teachings are encoded in the sacred
texts of the world's great religions. In what follows, we will see how the secret history
of creation is encoded in the most familiar of these texts. Genesis, how a few of its phrases
can be opened up to reveal extraordinary new worlds of thought. Mighty vistas of the imagination.
And we shall see too that the secret history chimes with the secret teachings of other religions.
In the beginning, they're precipitated out of the void matter that was finer and more subtle
than light. Then came exceptionally fine gas. If a human eye had been looking at the dawn
of history, it would have seen a vast cosmic mist. This gas or mist was the mother of all
living, carrying everything needed for creation of life. The mother goddess. as she was sometimes
also called, will metamorphose in the course of history and assume many different forms,
many different names. But in the beginning, the earth was without form and void. Now, for
history's first great reversal of fortune, the Bible narrative continues. Darkness was upon
the face of the earth, according to biblical commentators. Working within the esoteric tradition,
this is the Bible's way of saying that the mother goddess was attacked by a searing dry wind
that almost extinguished the potential for life altogether. Again, to the human eye, it would
have looked as if the gently interweaving mists that had first emanated from the mind of God
were suddenly overtaken by a second emanation. This is like the mother goddess. and then it
introduces here. So I think what he's trying to do is he's trying to equate the mother goddess
to like. matter. The matter itself. The very beginnings of matter. Proto-matter. That very
beginning of matter, yeah. Before it was in matter as we know it. Right, before it would
like later on take the form of like Mother Earth, right? Yeah. Okay. It was the Mother Goddess.
And then it was a... what was that exact line he said there about the darkness that overtook
it or whatever? So now for history's first great reversal of the fortune, the Bible narrative
continues. Darkness was upon the face of the earth according to biblical commentators working
within the esoteric tradition. This is the Bible's way of saying that the mother goddess was attacked
by a searing dry wind that almost extinguished the potential for life altogether. Yeah, so
it was attacked by darkness. And it looked like a wind pushing and moving the matter. Yeah,
I don't know how they get to the wind, but I could see the darkness. Because if this is
the allegory for the beginning of the universe and matter coming into form, maybe you don't
even have stars yet, right? Yeah, but I think the wind is more a comment on the movement.
Seeing the movement of the matter through. whatever medium, like I guess space, or you know, nothing,
the void. Yeah. Like it almost looked like a, I guess to them, but it does say to the human
eye, it looked as if it was, as if the gently interweaving mists that had first emanated
from the mind of God were suddenly overtaken by a second emanation. So there was like a
shadow moving through. Okay. So yeah, the darkness. There was a violent storm like some rare and
spectacular phenomenon observed by astronomers, the death of a star perhaps, except that here
in the beginning it would have been on a completely overwhelming scale that filled the entire universe.
So you know, if you were to look at, you know, the death of a star, like that's just insignificant
to the scale at which we're talking about. Right. We're talking like... in materialist turns
like during the Big Bang here still.
So this is what it would have looked like to the physical eye. But to the eye of the imagination,
this great cloud of mist and the terrible storm that attacked it can be seen to cloak two great
gigantic phantoms. So, I guess the phantoms would be the quote unquote gods that they represent
or something. Before we try to make sense of this ancient history of the cosmos or to understand
why so many brilliant people have believed in it, we must try to absorb it in the form in
which it would have been presented in ancient times as a series of imaginative images. It
is important to let these images work on our imaginations in the same way that the initiate
priests intended them to work on the imaginations of a candidate for initiation.
So, basically, open your mind, let the images kind of seep in, and just like look at them
and imagine, you know, the beginnings of time and what it might have been and like the connections.
There's a lot of cool images in here. We'll have to kind of flip through them and post
some of these good ones. So it goes on to talk about Mother Goddess's opponent. this force
that was moving through this second emanation. Her opponent was, if anything, more frightening.
Long and bony, his skin was scaly and white and had glowing red eyes, swooping low over
Mother Earth. The Dark Lord was armed with a deadly scythe, giving away his identity to
anyone who hasn't already guessed it. For if this first emanation was from the mind of God,
would metamorphose into the goddess of the earth, the second emanation would become the goddess,
the god of Saturn.
Yeah. And then it goes on to talk about how Saturn is Satan, basically, in the Bible. The
Saturn figure in Greek mythology is Satan in the Bible. Exactly.
Um...
basically talks about the struggle between Saturn and Mother, the Mother Goddess, and talking
about how...
And then it gets to that part where she gets rescued by the birth of the sun, right? That
goes into the next chapter, I think. Yeah, no, you're right. She hides him on an island. No,
but what I was going to say is that basically the conception here is that Saturn is kind
of like the beginning of material. Like it's the beginning of the hardening. Like it goes
through the solar system. Like Saturn being represented from the planet, but also being
represented. Like this is like early stages when Saturn and all these different... the
Earth, everything was being formed. Right, and we're talking about something that is like
being credited through this history as like giving further condensing matter to ultimately
lead to us being able to exist. So like we're just as much of a byproduct of Saturn. Satan
as we are of the Mother Goddess, right? And whatever mind thought the universe into existence.
So, like even though it's a dark destructive force trying to tear apart the Mother Goddess,
it's part of the reason why we have the existence we have today. Yep. It's that dichotomy, it's
that dualism, the... Duality check like that yin and yang right like you need the opposing
forces Yeah, the opposing force characterizes the force within good that you might characterize,
right? Yeah, you can't have one without the other because you can't define good without
there being something other than it right You know, right? So it's this same idea of like
within every good thing there is bad, or something needs to be destroyed in order to give rise
to or birth to something new. And it's this whole idea of like the human condition too,
right? Like you talk about like, we only live for a certain amount of time and we, you know,
in the essence of it, like we're here to continue the species. So we procreate and we have kids
and we... teach them everything we know and like, we're like this, this. But if we don't
die, if we don't decay, if we aren't like destroyed in the end, then the world would be overpopulated
and there would be, everything would die anyway, because you know, like. Not necessarily. A
generation has to die to make room for the next generation. Not if everybody, not if we're
talking about time. And that's like the mechanism of evolution and stuff too, right? Like death
is part of life, right? Yeah, well that's like once things become material that's like intuitive
like But like if you're talking about a proto-human in a proto-world, like a proto-earth and all
these different protos of societies. Right, it's more symbolic at that point. It's less
defined, less the... If you think about the emanation or the cosmic mind of God basically,
right? You're thinking of that initial will that brought consciousness or people... everything
into being whatever that might have been right whether it be cosmic will or just a different
universe creating another universe we don't know it could be simulation it could be simulations
all the way down maybe saturn is gravity but either way like you're talking about like um
like the initial form of it and like so if you think about like back to panpsychism like which
is kind of where this whole book is kind of formed on like the idea that everything from
the beginning of time has consciousness and it just coagulated into certain forms to create
different types of consciousness that could think at different levels, that could experience
at different levels. But everything has an experience and everything is an experience of the singular
cosmic mind that created it all. He talks about thought forms, like giving life to thought
forms. I believe earlier in this, I think it's one of the bits we skipped over where the mind
of the creator, its thoughts took on, its thought forms became that Mother Earth, became that
Saturn, right? Those are originally thoughts of the creator that then take on a life of
their own because they had been thought, right? Yeah.
I want to create something, you know, my thought might have been, his thought might have been
like there, whatever it was, would have been like creating the essence first. Like if you
think of like thought before matter, you think of the essence, like you think of like what
you want it to be before you think of the form of the thing you want it to be in, right? Yeah.
So you think about like, what characteristics of this new thing are you wanting? And that's
like this early stage that's like the mother goddess phase before this darkness ensued.
It's like this phase of just like pure thought emanations and they are coagulating in a sense
of like the thoughts are like if you think of like that, the where you put sand on a drum
and you drum it and it creates patterns. Well, I don't know what the Cymatics Cymatics. That's
it. If you think about that same thing, like if you think about the spoken word, if you
were to think about the emanation or the initial thought being a spoken word that resonates
in to matter and it forms these patterns and that pattern is what we have now. But, um,
so it's basically like this, I guess it would, it's just creatively. I'm thinking about this
on the fly, but, um, So it's just a formation of the resonance of the initial thought. The
thought had a resonance that is now forming the matter into a certain pattern. But I'm
trying to nail down what is this Saturn character as opposed to the Mother Goddess character,
right? Like, if the Mother Goddess is the myth, the material, the actual stuff that was originally
thought in the creation. And then it sort of like goes on to describe Saturn as like further
condensing matter, right? Like that sounds like gravity to me, honestly. Like it sounds like
stuff gets spread everywhere and then it starts to come together and maybe that's the influence
of Saturn bringing things, making it denser, trapping matter into a little ball that it
can't escape. to form planets. But what was the thought behind that? What made that be
the thing? So yes, the gravity was the manifestation of the, it was the physical characteristics
of what happened. But what was the thought behind that? What was the initial? Well that's where
I say it's like that yin and yang, right? Like if you just have a bunch of matter that's evenly
distributed throughout the entire universe. and you don't have a force to pull it together
and condense it, you don't have gravity, AKA, like things like the Big Bang would have been
very uninteresting. It would have just banged and then there would be a bunch of gas floating
everywhere evenly. Nothing would have condensed. So like, so in the, in the idea of this, that
thought of like the stuff and then the thing that causes that stuff to struggle and like
pull together. Right. Which in the idea of this book and like the idea of this, like they're
talking about like the God or the Saturn character is, is an emanation of the singular mind, right?
It's still this singular mind and it's physical characteristics as to how it interacts with
the matter is not as important as what was the derivative, like what made them, I guess what
made the Saturn do the things it did, it was like an idea of what they wanted. So like,
yes, but they're characterizing that time with the Mother Goddess still as a being, like there
was consciousness there, and there was things happening. It was just that there was a new
thought. And so it goes into it here and I'll read it real quick. The second great act in
the drama of creation comes when the Sun God arrives in order to rescue the Mother Earth
from Saturn. Because Saturn does all this destruction and moves everything and it creates all this
chaos. In the eye of the imagination, the sun is a beautiful and radiant young man with a
leonine mane. He rides a chariot and he is a musician. He has many names. Krishna in India,
Apollo in Greece. Arising in splendor in the midst of the storm, he pushes back the darkness
of Saturn until it becomes like a dragon of the or serpent encircling the cosmos.
The sun then warms Mother Earth into new life, and as he does so, he gives vent to the great
triumphant roar and reverberates to the outer limits of the cosmos. The roar causes matter
in the cosmic womb to vibrate, to dance, and to form patterns. In inner-group esoteric circles,
this process is sometimes known as the dance of the substances. After a while, it causes
matter to coagulate into a variety of strange shapes. What we are seeing here then is the
sun singing the world into existence. The sun line is a common image in ancient art. Whenever
it appears, it refers to this early stage in the mind before matter account of creation,
a magnificent retelling of the history of the sun line and the act of creation was written
as late as the 1950s. It comes. in the prequel to The Lion, the Witch, and the Worldrobe called
The Magician's Nephew. Sometimes something that non-esoteric schools and literature criticisms
have missed in that the work of C.S. Lewis is steeped in Rosicrucian lore. Yeah. So that
talks about like, the protection from this entity. Right. This happening. But they also go on
to talk about how the sun was within the Earth. Like it became, like it was born of the Earth.
It was the, the son of the, that's why it's called the sun is the son of mother, mother
Earth. And it was, it was started within the Earth. And then it was later in a later age
that it was actually pushed out into the cosmos to create external life. I just saw a scientific
article talking or people questioning. um, if planets can form before their respective stars.
And they can. And in fact, they sometimes would. And so it could be the case that like, so like
he, he wants, obviously he's interpreting all this as like metaphorical spiritual, like.
that side of things, but I can't help but relate it as an analogy to the physical processes,
as if this is some sort of handed down knowledge that survived in this fashion. So in that sense,
it could be the case that you have these proto-planets, you would have these
the early sun is starting to form and before it even fully ignites. Yeah. So the sun could
be just the dim red glow, like not even fully lit. Right. While the planets are coming together.
And then all of a sudden it lights up. And it would save the earth from darkness and give
life to it. Yeah, because Saturn was wreaking havoc on earth before. Right. Poor energy,
poor radiation, give movements to the atmospheres and. You know, like literally breathe life
into the planet, save it from the darkness. Yeah. And and as it's told, as being within
it and then moving. externally to give life. Like, it could just be that we were much closer
to it. you know, or, or in a sense we ignited it with somehow, you know? Yeah. Like there
was some event on earth that like ignited the glow of the, of what we know now know as the
sun being in the center of our, of the solar system. Yeah, I mean, we were planning to do
seven chapters today. I think we got through three. Yeah, it was ambitious. We'll probably
skim a lot of the later ones, because it gets into some of these historical periods, which
I find interesting, but not as interesting as origin stories. I find origin stories of the
universe to be super fascinating. Yeah, it's definitely very thought-provoking. A lot of
these stories and accounts. Ways of thinking about the physical nature of the beginning
of time, even though there wasn't much physical about it. Yeah. Not time specifically, but...
What does it go after that? I mean, it goes off to a lot of the plant life or proto-human
stuff, which we could probably start with if we wanted to on another episode. OK. But I'll
just finish it off here with saying this. This is from a little bit further down. says what
the teachers of the mystery schools meant to indicate by the victory of the sun god was
the momentous transition from a purely mineral cosmos to a cosmos burgeoning with plant life
in the earliest and most primitive form of plant life. According to the mystery tradition, single
germs were joined together in a vast floating structures like webs that filled the whole
universe. In commentaries on the Vedas. the sacred books of India. This stage of creation
is described as the net of Indra, an infinite net of luminous, living threads perpetually
interweaving, coming together like waves of light, then dissolving again. Time passed,
and some of these threads began to weave together more permanently. The light streams dividing
the tree-like forms, an imaginative impression of what it was like, can perhaps be got. by
remembering what it was like as a small child to visit a great hot house, like the ones that
Alice Liddell, the girl who inspired Alice in Wonderland, visited, I like to visit it in
the Kew Gardens, Great Tendrils. I think that's a British term. It's a hot house. Oh, a hot
house, okay. I figured that once I got into it a little bit. Great tendrils stretch everywhere.
Here a human mist and a sunny luminous greenness. If you were able to land in the midst of all
of this and if you sat on one of the great green branches stretching out of sight, and if this
great branch on which you were sitting suddenly stirred, you would have experienced like a
hero in a fairy tale sitting on a rock that moves and reveals itself to be a giant. Because
the vast vegetable being of the heart of the cosmos, whose soft and luminous limbs stretched
to all four corners of it, was Adam. So that's a good place to leave us because I think we're
going to get into a lot of that Adam and Eve creationist stuff. Yeah. So this is all like
this. This was paradise. So yeah, I think we can start off on that. So it's saying this
like celestial threads of life was Adam. Yeah. So, so yeah, exactly. So it's saying like the
interweaving, like web-like nature of it, where it was like, all these fine mists, but they
were coagulating into points that connected in a web throughout the universe. And it obviously
changed and moved, but that the beginnings of this was the story. That makes me think of
Chandra Rikwam Singh. Yeah, they reference him in here, I believe. Oh, do they? Yeah. Yeah,
because he's like a decorated... Mm-hmm. physicist who is like, who's like spent his career studying
the pan-spirami idea. And he's got whole like books and lines of thinking. I saw his talk
for the cosmic summit last year and it was he talked about the panspermia ideas. Talked about
how with mass spectrometry and stuff, you can actually analyze some of the nebula clouds
out there in the universe and show complex hydrocarbons, not just a cloud of hydrogen gas. We're talking
the stuff that life is built out of, if not actual life. His theory is that... So life
formed elsewhere and then you know, it shot across on the infant earth as it was forming.
It was, you know, hitting down here in meteors and stuff. And these like sorts of like extremophile
forms of life that can survive in the vacuum of space and whatnot. Wait until there was
water. You know, they land on earth and they start multiplying. Yeah. So that life didn't
start here. So in that case, like that makes sense with this, like allegory of like the
atom being like this cosmic webs of life because that would ultimately be our source. Yeah there's
a cosmic web of like the source of life and it's being pushed in and out into the cosmos
from the beginning so it's just where it lands where maybe where it lands matters. Yeah. Interesting.
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being with us today on episode five. We've given you a little bit of the secret history of the
world. And now we gotta watch out for the secret societies to come after us. Yeah. Or just the
copyright people. Same thing. All right, y'all. Take care. We'll talk to you later.
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