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I'm Drew. And I'm Dean. Welcome back. Episode nine. Man. Ep-oh-oh-nine. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, uh. We're back with. We've gotta stop catching up with each other. Yeah. Like, as we're setting
up for the podcast, so we can like, catch up in front of people a little bit. And like,
be a little more personable. True, true. That would definitely would help. But we're brothers.
We haven't seen each other for a few days. We end up catching up. But yeah, we don't have
much correspondence as far as listeners this week. Yeah, so write us in, people. You got
questions. You got recommendations. You got ideas. You want to tell us we're full of crap?
You want to tell me I'm a brainwashed libertarian from the last episode? Yeah, do it. I don't
care. Let's talk. Yeah. We don't mind the get into some conversations, whether you agree
or disagree. So I will give a little bit of a teaser for an episode that's coming up, because
this is what I've been spending the last few days on. So, uh, should I go the whole story?
So there was a few episodes back and, uh, I believe, yeah, we talked about it. We'll have
my computer crashed. Oh yeah. Yeah. while we recorded and we had to re-record a whole segment.
Yep. Well, later that weekend, as I'm trying to process the audio and get everything edited
and ready, my computer crashed again, and then it crashed again, and then it crashed again,
and again, and again. But you know, lucky for me, I'm a tech guy, so I'm like, I'm gonna
fix this thing. I use a Mac, by the way. And so I was like, okay, I'll just wipe and reload
Mac OS. I'll use the good old time tested PC method fixing things. Didn't work, did it?
It did not. As soon as I got Mac OS on it, which failed a bunch of times. To even get it on?
Yeah, it didn't like crash, but it like failed during the install a bunch of times, which
was really confusing. But then when it finally loaded, it crashed. And then it crashed. And
I was really upset because I spent a bunch of money on this Mac like a few years back. I
was the unlucky soul who got the very last Intel model. And I like went all out. I was like
saving up for a new Mac for so long. And I freaking buy the top of the line like i9 16 inch MacBook
like months before they announced the Apple Silicon chips. So pissed. Yeah, you called
me right as you were like dealing with the computer and you're like, dude, it's, it's you scared
me though, cause you were like, dude, so I remember how a computer kept crashing. Oh yeah. I was
like, no, I was like, did the entire episode just get deleted? Like, are we, do we have
to rerecord that? Luckily, I am a seasoned computer nerd and I have multiple backups in multiple
places. So that was not the issue. But yeah, my computer is dead. We got this new podcast
we're launching. My day job is a tech job where I use my laptop all day long. And I just couldn't
go out without a laptop. So I'm looking online for it, because I'm a freaking snooty Apple
dude, I guess. Yeah, and now you are. Yeah. I'm not so proud of it anymore. But I do love
my Mac OS. Yeah, you were a snooty PC guy before that though. That's true. An Android guy until
I saw the Apple ways, and then I was snooty about that. And now I just want my stuff to
work. You're just a tech guy. Yeah. So of course, I want to buy a new MacBook. And of course,
Macs are super expensive. And I'm not balling out here or anything. So I look at the store,
and it's going to be like a week before I can get one if I order online and get the exact
one I want to buy. which was like a reasonable price. But I couldn't wait a week because it
would put the podcast off, it would be a problem for work. And I'm like, you know what? I am
not making excuses, I'm not going to delay our podcast. I'm going to go get a Mac. So I go
to the Apple store and the only Mac, one thing that's non-negotiable for me, I have to have
a big hard drive. And the only, The only one they had with at least a two terabyte hard
drive was the top of the line 14 inch, which was $4,000. Is 14 inch the biggest for this?
No, there's a 16 inch. Which wasn't. It was still the top of the line. It was like an extra
$700 just for an extra two inches. Whatever. I'll appreciate the small one. Some people
would pay for it for the two inches. Anyway, so I get this new Mac. And the reason I convinced
myself is, A, I'm going to use it for work. in the podcast. But B, like I'm a nerd. I like
all the stuff you can do with the new Apple silicon, especially all this AI stuff. So we've
got this upcoming AI episode. I'm not sure when it's going to drop yet, because I do want to.
So yeah, you just started. Yeah. But it's coming. So I've been working on downloading the open
source language models and image generators, and trying to play with them and mess with
them. And what I want to do is I want to get. one of these language models connected to a
microphone and to a voice generator so that we can have it as a guest on our podcast live.
Yeah, we hope, yeah, we hope nobody's, it doesn't matter whether somebody's dead or not. I'm
sure other people have done it, but we haven't. We haven't. It's gonna be interesting, so.
You were talking about maybe doing, having inputting a bunch of Graham Hancock stuff and then having
it read. Yeah, so probably not for the first time. I think the first time it'll just be
the novel idea of AI and we'll talk about AI and futurism and stuff with it. But in the
future, yeah, as I keep nerding out and learning more about it, I want to get good at prompting
and restricting and training so that what would be super cool to me is to upload a bunch of
Graham Hancock books. and transcript some videos into a model and tell it it's a Graham Hancock
and have a conversation with it. If anyone's listening, who knows Graham? And he's uncomfortable
with that. I'm sorry, Graham, we still love you, but the future's here. But I would love
to do that with different people, but upload their books, upload their stuff. and then have
them on as a faux podcast guest. We'd love to get Graham on, honestly. That would be ideal
eventually. But this is just more of a fun idea for us. We're still pretty small fries at the
moment. I don't think we have his attention yet. But one day, that's a great goal to work
up to. Definitely. I think it would be a fun, fun episode if we ever get to get him on. Yeah.
But he is getting older now. So. Yeah, and so that's your teaser. We've got an AI episode
coming, and we're going to have AI as a guest. Yeah, not only just talking about AI, but talking
about AI with AI. Yeah. Oh, if you have any questions for that episode, send them in, because
that would be cool to get you guys involved with that conversation. That would be a great
idea, actually. Yeah. Yeah, please. So send us some questions. It's probably at least a
few episodes from now before I can figure out how to hook up all the audio components to
it. So you guys got some time. from when this one comes out. But reach out on socials, on
our email, and go to dualitycheck.net. And you can write us an email through there. Yep. Hosts
at dualitycheck.net is our email address. You can send us a message on Facebook or Instagram.
I still haven't really set up our Twitter yet, but you can use that. Yeah. I mean, we're there,
so you can definitely message us through there. If you want to DM us. I am embracing our AI
future and me too. We're sure we're going to incorporate it more and more so that us two
guys with full time jobs and you with a family. Yeah, like can make the most out of our little
resources and time. Yeah. Make this podcast good. I think people have already noticed too,
like if you're watching it, like if you're seeing images when you're listening to us on your
podcast. Oh yeah, we've been doing a lot of AI in this generation. So we're trying to like
spend time, like I sat there one day for like two hours trying to get on that last episode
on the Amazon one. Yeah, that's right. Like trying to get to like, to envision an Amazon
warrior fighting with the tribes people against the Spanish. And it went wrong so many ways.
Maybe I'll post some of those failed images on all, in fact I will, on the show notes and
the website for this week. I logged into chat GPT after Dean had told me, and I was like,
there was like 40 different threads that you had done just trying to get this thing to do
what you wanted it to do. So like, I would tell it like, it's supposed to be this large, pale
skin, long hair with braids. It never got the braids thing right. Never once. And the best
I can do with the pale skin is like literally pale white like a vampire. It's always blue,
yeah. Yeah, which is not what I had in mind, but like, hey. That's the one you'll see on
our socials. Maybe that's what they look like. How do I know? But then like I would be like,
oh, there's these tall women and there's these Spaniards and then there's these Amazon tribes
people when they're fighting. I like tried so many different ways to prompt it and it would
like, it would not just make the Amazon women... large, it would also make the Spaniards large,
or it would like put everyone in butt flaps, like the tribes people, so the conquistadors
got their metal helmets, but they're also wearing butt flaps. Hey, you never know when you're
on a boat for that long. Dude, there's so many weird failed tips. Yeah, we should definitely
do some kind of post maybe. Yeah. Maybe on Facebook, I don't know. Maybe I'll do our failed AI generation
of the week each. That would be funny. Each week. as the like special nugget. Oh, man.
So good. So, yeah, we haven't really talked about what we're doing this week. Yeah. What
do we got? We are diving back into. I guess you guys already know, you saw the podcast
title. That's true. Secret history of the world part two. So we're just going to continue pretty
much where we left off as far as in the book and then we'll riff off it a bit and see what
we get. Cool. So yeah, basically. Where did we leave off, by the way? What were we talking
about? I was going to read the last little entry that we read, which is going to kind of set
us up for this next part of the, it's kind of the end of chapter three here. OK. We didn't
quite get through it. But I'll read this again just for anybody who hasn't read that, or listened
to that full episode. Yeah, and this is from the Secret History of the World by Mark Booth.
This is the Illustrated version, so there's going to be a lot of images that we're going
to end up getting and putting them into the video on YouTube, or I guess the images on
the podcast itself through the RSS feed. Yeah, again, if you guys don't realize, if you're
listening on podcasts, a lot of podcasts don't do this, so you may not look. But you can look
at your podcast app. I know for sure it works on Apple Podcasts and on Overcast. I'm not
sure what other podcast players support it, but I know they're not the only two. Anyway,
all of our chapters have chapter art, not all of them, but the ones where we can find relevant
art. So if we're ever talking about something visual and you're like, ah, they're describing
this and I want to see it, typically if there's a situation like that, just look at your device
and you'll see what we're talking about. Even though we're not doing video yet, we're trying
to help with visuals. Yep. And on YouTube, we do the same thing. So we got a lot of images
that you can look at. And if your podcast player does not support the images, you can just go
to our website and click on the episode you're listening to. And I've got full show notes
with pictures. OK. Cool. So yeah, we kind of left off on the Secret History. Getting into
the plant life stuff, you know, proto-human stuff. So I'll read this bit that we finished
on last time. In the earliest and most primitive form of plant life, according to the mystery
tradition, single germs were joined together in the vast floating structures like webs that
filled the whole universe. In commentaries on the Vedas, the sacred books of India, this
stage of creation is described as the net of Indra. an infinite net of luminous, living
threads perpetually interweaving, coming together like waves of light, then dissolving again.
Time passed and some of these threads began to weave together more permanently. The light
streams divided into tree-like forms. An imaginative impression of what this was like can perhaps
be got by remembering what it was like as a small child, to visit a great hot house like
the ones that Alice Liddell, the girl who inspired Alice in Wonderland, liked to visit in Koo
Gardens. Yeah, the hot houses is kind of green houses. Yeah. We talked about that. Great tendrils
stretched everywhere. Here are humid mists and a sunny luminous greenness. If you were able
to land in the midst of all of this, and if you were sat on one of the great green branches
stretching out of sight, And if this great branch on which you were sitting suddenly stirred,
you would have experienced like a hero in a fairy tale's fairy story, sitting on a rock
that moves and reveals itself to be a giant. Because the vast vegetable being at the heart
of the cosmos, whose soft and luminous limbs were stretched to all four corners of it, was
Adam. And this was paradise. So we ended there talking about how like this vast Like in how
they talk about the interweaving web of what is starting to be the coagulation of matter
is more like a web. Into the earliest primitive forms of life. So. Just to review, we started
out with the creation of the universe and the mother goddess. The mother goddess. And her
battle with Jupiter. Saturn. Satan. Saturn. Who then she was rescued by Apollo, the sun
god. Yep. Yeah, so Saturn was brought this darkness in the light, which this is before matter.
This is when there was just a fine mist and matter was just individual particles basically.
And then the sun god represents light, so that represents probably the first stars lighting
up in the universe and bringing light to everything. Yeah, so the way it describes, and I think
maybe we'll get into it a little bit, but it describes the light. as coming from within
the mother goddess as if it was being born of it. Right. So, like, you know, if you think
of the, if you're thinking about individual particles and the mother goddess just representing
this, like, divine mist before there was darkness. Right. Before there was, so, or before, during
the darkness. Divine mist, aka, like, space or energy. Yeah, we also talked about, yeah,
or even just before it even coagulated into matter, It was like, because in the beginning,
we had talked about, it had described like the, um, like, um, the initial thought kind of emanating
and Mother Goddess was the emanation of the original thought. And it was basically the
original thought that birthed the Mother Goddess, but the Mother Goddess kind of set the stage
for what happened later, which was Saturn coming in and, and bringing this darkness, which basically
took all the mist and started making it all turbulent. And if you were to think about it
in a scientific way, you're talking about particles, and then there's this wave-like darkness pushing
through it that pushes everything into certain patterns. Sounds like gravity waves to me.
Right. We talked about that. And then when the sun got... If that is the case, then... That
would mean that Saturn is responsible for Helios his coming together in the first place to then
save the mother goddess from Saturn. Exactly, exactly. It's interesting. It's cyclical, you
know? This is all a story put together to describe what it might have felt like to be there. Right,
it's more about the experience. Yeah, there was no me and you humans all around at this
time. So this concept of the primordial atom is What that makes me think of is Chandra Rikwamasinghe.
Yeah, we talked. Rikwamasinghe. I cannot say his name. Sorry. Sorry about that. You're awesome,
but I can't pronounce your name. So what that reminds me of is his talking about that when
you look out in these nebulas in the universe, they're like, they're. complex hydrocarbons
and polycarbons, like carbon, complex carbon molecules. The basis for life, yeah. And if
you hear him talk about it, he thinks that it's actually microbial and viral and fungal life
floating around just in these big clouds, which sure sounds a lot like the body of atoms spread
all over. Spread out. which is like the seed of life for everything, everywhere. Yeah. Yeah,
it talks about the infinite net of luminous living threads perpetually interweaving, coming
together like waves of light, and then dissolving again. So it's just waves of light coming through
these threads of matter that are starting to stick together and create some sort of furs.
You have the first stars lighting up, and they're like casting this glow on the. all the nebulas
that have still yet to form into their own stars and planets. Yeah, and then it says time passed
and some of these threads began to weave together in a more permanently or to come together in
a more permanently. The light streams divided into tree-like forms. So this is the idea of
like these proto-human like this vegetable state, like the idea of Adam. That also makes me think
of the, you know, like the If you study cosmology and they talk about like, you know, we got
our, you know, solar system Which is part of the galaxy and then there's like all of these
galaxies But when you zoom out to where galaxies look like stars these galaxies form these like
filaments Yeah, these like Strand like patterns structures that could be described as tree
like limbs. Mm-hmm Yeah, absolutely And so this is before there are animals that you would
distinctly be like animal forms on Earth, right? This is before Earth was really formed even.
So when we get into now, this is going to be more of like, think of it like humans in plant
form is kind of the way they describe it. And that's more of an image to get you to think
the way that you might that this might have unfolded. And in the story, I'll continue.
Yeah, so this is the next part here that gets us going into it. So after it says it was Adam
and this was paradise, it goes on to say, because there was as yet no animal element to the cosmos,
Adam was without desire and so without care or dissatisfaction. Needs were satisfied before
they were even felt. Adam lived in a world of endless springtime. Nature yielded an unending
supply of food in the form of a milky sap. Similar to that, which we find in Dandelions today,
memorials to this blissful satiation have come down to us in the statues of the mini-breasted
mother goddess. As time went on, the plant forms became more complex, more like the plants of
today. Again, if you had been there, been able to see this period in history of the cosmos
with the physical eye, you would have been struck by the myriad fluttering, palpitating flowers,
the myriad of fluttering and palpitating flowers. Yeah. We have suggested that the secret history
of the creation shadows the scientific history of creation in intriguing ways. We have just
seen, for example, how a purely mineral stage of existence has been followed by a primitive
plant stage, followed by an era of more complex plants. But there is a vital difference I must
draw to your attention. In the Secret History, not only is it true to say that what eventually
evolved into human life passed through a vegetable stage, but this vegetable element remains as
essential part of the human being today. And then it says, if you removed the sympathetic
nervous system from our bodies and stood it up on its own, it would look like a tree. That
is true. And here's an image. Boom. As one of Britain's leading homeopathic healers put it
to me in a rather beautiful phrase, the sympathetic nervous system is the gift of the vegetable
kingdom to the physical body of man.
It's basically saying that our nervous system comes from a different age and different stage
of human development. When we were proto-human and when we were plant-vegetable life. Right,
which is the basis of life. The nervous system is either what harnesses or resonates with
or gives rise to the conscious experiences. So it makes sense that it's sort of the most
fundamental. Yeah, obviously we're not doing photosynthesis or anything, but we still have
some kind of remnants of what it was, like what that time may have. You know, we have our own
version of that, which is, we need sunlight in order to get vitamin D. Yeah, it's a fully,
yeah, it's definitely an essential vitamin that we need.
real thing of having your own body generated from the sun on your skin. Yep. My pasty white
ass over here talking about sun like I ever get any. He's a tech guy, guys. I'm a nerd.
So I'll continue here a little bit because it continues to talk about, like, what it might
have been like as a vegetable body, you know. Esoteric thought all over the world is concerned
with the subtle energies that flow around the vegetable part of the body and also with as
we shall see as its organs of perception The great center of the vegetable component of
the human body feeding on the waves of light and warmth radiating from the Sun is the chakras,
the chakra and the solar plexus called solar Because it was formed in this the era controlled
by the Sun Mm-hmm. Yeah, so basically the chakras are another, like, you know, the idea of this,
like, Eastern philosophy, like, chakras, the healing centers of the body, like, this is
all kind of left over from... And we also talked about it in the previous episode on part one,
how the plants themselves in our everyday react and interact with the... cosmos, you know,
with the arrangement of the planets, with the arrangement of the sun. Right. Yeah, we had
talked about those experiments that people had done with the salts and whatnot, showing the
different minerals respond to different planets' influences. Yep. So awareness of this vegetable
element in the human body has remained greatest among the peoples of China and Japan. In Chinese
medicine, the energetic flow of this vegetable life force is called qi. It's understood to
animate the body and disease arise when the delicate network of energies becomes blocked.
The fact that the flow of this energy is undetectable by modern materialistic science, the fact that
it seems to operate in some elusive realm between the human spirit and the meat of the animal
body, does not make the medicine any less effective. As generation upon generation of patients attest.
Right, so... It's got a lot of people that have seen the good that dealing with chakras and
dealing with chi has done for them psychologically, physically. Right. Yeah, I mean, there's a
reason why those Eastern healing practices are still in practice today. People still do acupuncture.
They see some sort of effect. They still do spiritual healings to try and. Treat the chakras
or whatever. I don't really know anything about that stuff. No material for future episodes
Yeah, and it also like we talked about before Like the directed Not the directed but She
lost my train of thought. Oh Well, I'll come back to it. Okay, we're gonna keep going on
chakra. So maybe it'll probably come back Although the idea of chakras has become popular in the
West because of an influx of Oriental esoteric thought, the chakras are also central to the
Western esoteric tradition and can be seen in both Egyptian and Hebrew thought. And just
as Christianity contains a hidden tradition of gods, of the stars and planets, so it also
contains a hidden tradition of the chakras. The organs of the vegetable body are situated
in nodes up and down his trunk. They are made up of different numbers of petals, the solar
plexus chakra for example having 10 petals, and the brow chakra having two petals. The
seven major chakras situated at the groin, solar plexus, kidneys, heart, throat, brow, and crown
feature in the 17th century writings of Jacob Bohem.
Anyway, and as we will see later in those of his near contemporary, the Catholic Saint Teresa
of Avila, where they are called the Eyes of the Soul.
Moreover, on closer inspection of the Bible itself can be seen to contain many coded references
to the chakras. The horns with which Moses has traditionally been depicted are explained away
by conventionally minded Christians as a result of misunderstanding based on a mistranslation.
But, in the esoteric tradition, these horns represent the two petals of the brow chakra.
Oh, interesting. Sometimes called the third eye. So any references, you know, the third
eye and the horns are basically that. Like, it seems interesting to... to have something
that lines up so perfectly, like having two, I mean, usually you get two horns, I guess.
But. I mean, when you're dealing with numbers that low, there's not a lot of them to choose
from. So like, coincidences can happen. But it does seem awful symbolic, and it's in the
right area too. Yeah, that's true. If you wear. It's right at the brow, the horns coming right
out of the brow. And in these images, there's an image that is described as, it's basically
just a depiction of a lady and has a little halo coming out. And there's two flowers coming
out of her head, or the halo. Oh, that's an old Christian piece on it? The organs of spiritual
perception are depicted in different ways in Christian iconography. Vesica Pisces. Is that
Pisces? Surrounding many depictions of visions in the horns of Moses as depicted in the Michelangelo,
depicted by Michelangelo, and in the blossoming rod of Aaron and the other flowerings. That's
the description for the image. That's really interesting. Yeah, because Christianity's an
interesting religion because it seems to be composed of like, it's like, obviously it's
this whole like story of Jesus and whatnot and like a lot of people know that part of it but
it's also an encoding of the religions that came before. It's an encoding and a continuation
of the Greek traditions. um and there's a lot of uh hidden symbolism there's a lot of numerology
there's a lot of uh astrological symbolism yeah it this gets into it so it's not super surprising
that there would be references to these things i just never actually thought about that I
would love to... Does he go into more examples of Christianity? It does go into more examples
of Christianity and how, especially with astrology as we go into like, and how it goes into...
There's a lot of like esoteric stuff that the Bible does reference that is not... Like a
lot of the times, if there's any concern about where the origin is, like they chalk it up
as mistranslation a lot of the time. Right. But I've got some passages actually coming
up here pretty quick that... talk about stuff like that. That give us a little bit of hint
as to what they're talking about. Okay. So, returning to the creation narrative and the
great imaginative images encoded within Genesis, we see that Adam's body had at first been very
soft and amorphous, his skin almost as delicate as the skin on a pond. But now it began to
harden as the great Christian mystic and
wrote in Mysterium Magnum, his commentary on Genesis, what would in time become bone now
hardened and became something closer to wax. Warmed by the sun, his green limbs also began
to become tinged with pink. As Adam solidified, he also began to divide into two. That is to
say, he was a hermaphrodite, who reproduced in an asexual way. When pressed, any scholar
of biblical Hebrew will have to admit that Genesis chapter one passage 27, this passage creating
Eve from Adam's rib. The passage usually translates male and female. He created them properly reads
male and female. They created him singular. Oh. So it was by this plant-like method of
reproduction that Eve was born out of Adam's body, molded from the waxy cartilage which
served Adam for bone. That's an interesting, there's layers there. Male and female, they,
so that's plural gods, that's the Elohim, right? Yep. Male and female, the Elohim created him.
Yep. Singular. Right. So, wow. That was the idea of the mistranslations there. Does he
address? I can't remember, because I've been into these topics a lot. But I can't remember
if this book specifically addresses the idea of Elohim being plural. He does talk about
it. Does he? Yeah, he does talk about it. He talks about the difference between Elohim and
Jehovah when he gets into that, and once it starts talking about. And I think that's in
the next chapter. And Yahweh. I don't know if it goes into Yahweh specifically, but definitely
when the Bible starts switching from Elohim to Jehovah as the quote unquote God. Yeah,
if you guys haven't looked into it yet, you should do some searching if you're
like esotericism, like there's some really good supporting evidence that, yeah, when you look
at the original languages, you have these three specific words that when they get translated
into English, all come out as God. But when you go back to your source, you have Elohim,
Yahweh, and Jehovah, and these are different entities with different histories and different
characteristics and different behaviors. And Elohim specifically is a plural, which represents
the gods, not necessarily a god plural, or singular, which is, it's all really pretty interesting
stuff. Let's take our first break. We're already over a bit. Cool. And... I'm excited for this
one. This is a, yeah, it's getting into some exciting stuff. We'll probably cover another
two chapters. Yeah. I was going to say, I know we're not going to get as far as I've read
ahead. So yeah. All right, y'all enjoy some puppies and some chocolate.
you
Thanks for watching!
It was too short. I'm gonna make that bigger Yeah, so we're back We are back Yeah, and we
just started having a conversation about God and realized we should probably stop talking
about a bunch of stuff while we're not recording We always do it Real quick though, we're drinking
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we need to do a new batch. Yeah. Take us a beer. That beer was actually so good. Dude, it was
really good. And I still have the recipe saved. We could totally do the same batch. I'd be
down to get involved with that, because I think you and Jason did it last time. But I'd be
down, dude. I want to learn a little bit about it. OK. I definitely just want to be a beer.
But I'm going to be ready. I will probably be staring at my cleanse, and I won't be able
to drink it. But I'll have a sip. Yeah. But I'm down to make it. Have a sip. Hang out.
Yeah. That's how it takes. Yeah, so this whole God conversation. Yeah. We were talking about
another podcast idea. So there's a guy called Tom Woods, who's a famous libertarian podcaster,
author, intellectual. He's got like a PhD in history from. Harvard, I believe. Nice. He's
a well-educated man. I've learned a lot from him. Yeah, it's a good lesson, watching, listening
to him. But I've been following his podcast, basically, since it started. And there's an
old episode that I just found on my phone while I was talking to Drew while we were on break.
It's called, Am I a Dummy for Believing in God? And it's a really cool episode, because at
the time, this is years ago when he did the episode, but at the time, I was still pretty
heavily like, agnostic but like leaning on the atheist side. So that episode struck me pretty
well. And this essentially, it's like an episode arguing for God. It's, he's presenting Thomas
Aquinas' argument for God. And it's like a reasoned argument. It's not just to oh have faith, right?
Just because it's gonna save you and I don't remember any of the other details because it's
been so many years But I think it would be a fun episode to talk about something like that
Yeah, and I was just saying like, you know in general and this is kind of been my view for
a long time It's just I have no issue with God and like it's not that I'm anti God specifically.
It's more of the structures that are put in place around the idea of God. Right, like having
to be religious specifically to a sect of religion. It goes back to our episode last week about
libertarianism, right? It's that the state and their intellectual allies, right? Yeah. And
for a long time, that was the church and the state allying together. And so there's a very
heavy element of control that goes along with, well, a lot of religions. I can't speak for
all of them. I came up in the Christian one. I came up as a Catholic, but yeah. Yeah, and
I was just saying, I don't like control. I don't like the controlling of the way you perceive
the world and the way you perceive yourself and putting judgment, casting judgment on you.
And there's beautiful ideas in there too. Absolutely. There's good moral lessons. There's... really
weird esoteric shit and stories about the Elohim creating the freaking vegetable Adam. So yeah,
we'll get back into it, of course.
And I'll just keep going here, we were talking about the Adam and Eve and how it was reproduced
asexually, right? So this goes on to...
Actually, I think I'll read it here. Adam and Eve and their progeny did not die, but now,
then, but now and then they merely went to sleep in order to refresh themselves, but the lotus-eating
state of the Garden of Eden could not go on forever. If it had, humanity would never have
evolved beyond the vegetable state. It was always intended that the Sun God would separate from
the earth for a while. So that's just, that's talking about kind of where we were before,
like the idea that the sun was within the earth at the time and gave life from within Mother
Goddess, gave life in light, gave light, which the life on earth, the proto-earth even, like
this is still like a mist. Or is this him trying to say that hollow earth is real, and there's
really an internal sun burning on the inside of the earth? Well, I mean, we have a core.
But no, because later it'll separate, and we'll get into that too. The earth separate, or the
sun separates from the earth and rises and then starts to illuminate the world from outside.
And that's what cools the earth and creates this crust and creates all the structures that
we see. But yeah, it goes on to. Of course, no artifacts have survived from the time when
gods and proto-humans lived in plant form, but there is at least a reliable record of such
artifacts. Herodotus, the Greek writer of the 5th century BC, is sometimes called the father
of history because he was the first to try to research and piece together a coherent and
objective account of history. In approximately 485 BC, Herodotus visited Memphis in Egypt.
There, in the vast underground vaults, he was shown rows of statues of former kings stretching
back as far as the eye could see into almost unimaginably distant times. Walking with the
priests along the rows, he came to a series of 345 colossal wooden carvings of beings.
who had reigned before Menes,
their first human king. This is after the gods. Yeah, this is after the Zeptepe. Yep. These
beings, said the priests, were born one from the other. What was the term they used? I guess
it was asexual, but it was... Yeah, the asexual ripper. There's another term. Anyway... Hermaphrodite?
Hermaphrodite. No, it's right now. It's literally the next word. It's so funny. Not the next
word, but... So, the first human kings, these beings said the priests were born one from
another. This is to say, without need of a sexual partner, by the plant-like method of parthenogenesis.
That's the word I'm looking for. Parthenogenesis. Each carrying a plaque giving name, history
and annals, the wooden monuments were a record of the long lost era of the vegetable life
of humankind. According to GPT summarizer, Parthenogenesis is a natural form of asexual reproduction and
development of embryos occur in a gamete without combining with another gamete. It is also known
as virgin birth and takes place in both asexual animals and plants. In animals, parthenogenesis
refers to the development of an embryo from an unfertilized egg cell, while in plants,
it is a component process of Apomixis? Apoximus. No, apomixis. That X would be in the wrong
place. Apomixis. An algae, parthenogenesis, can mean the development of an embryo from
either an individual sperm or an individual egg. Yeah, so this is more talking about the
plant life, obviously, so it's apomixis. What I liked about that last passage is talking
about Herodotus going to Egypt and how he was taken underground. Yeah, underground and he
was seeing all the different kings, the past kings. And this is kind of like the king's
list, right? Like the quote unquote king's list where they... It sounds like it could be like
reference to the labyrinth that supposedly... Oh yeah. It also could be reference to, if
you follow Ben and Uncharted X. And those videos where he talks about on the Giza Plateau, how
the Giza Plateau around the pyramids, it's not just the pyramids. It's also like there's tiles
on the ground around the pyramids, these giant freaking stone tiles. And there's gaps. And
those gaps are holes, and they're black. And you can just dump sand in there. And it never
stops. Drop something on a rope. reach the bottom. I've got a cool, I've got a cool image I'm
going to show you and show Dean right now, but I'll will post it as well. Look at this. Oh,
that's cool. So it's basically. Is that a GPT? No. Well, I don't know. Actually, it might
be. It might be. But I found that on the internet. And I was just searching through a bunch of
different stuff. And it's basically the pyramids of Giza. And if you were to take a segmented
photo, and you chop off half of it, and you can see underground underneath, it looks as
if the photo looks as if the pyramid tops. The entire pyramid is just the top pointed. He's
a giant obelisk. A giant obelisk that stretches as far down as you could possibly go into the
earth. That's really cool. Isn't that an interesting... This is definitely a GPT. I can see weird artifacts,
but that's so cool. Yeah. That's pretty close. Yeah, there's some definite underground goings
on in Egypt. Well, and they also didn't they isn't, I don't know if they found it. I don't
know if I just heard this and believed it, but they talk about like there was, there's waterways
underneath the periods. Yeah. Like aquifers. Aquifers, and there's a, in the hole in the
Sphinx, So for those of you guys don't know, there's a hole on the shoulders, at the top
of the shoulders, like where the neck meets the shoulders, at the top of the sphinx. It's
either that or the head. I think it's the shoulders, though. There's a hole there, and you can go
down inside the sphinx from there. And there's also nearer the back tail. There's a chamber
where you can go down into it. And it splits, and it splits, and when Zahi Was was asked
about it, he's like, oh, he's like, that doesn't go anywhere. They only have explored the chamber
that goes about another 10 feet down and there's nothing there. Right. But there's a whole other
separate area that's collapsed in. We just are to take his word for it. We didn't see video
evidence. Other people have claimed they've gone down there and say that it's like, it
goes. And, um, the pyramids connect to underground, like some of the shafts in the pyramids go
down underground. Yeah. That kind of makes me think of the idea of it being a power plant,
and like the idea that there was chemicals that were like, Because there's people who've gone
there, even like the brothers of the serpent talk about it when they go and they see the
chambers and they like these are these were not those chambers in the walkways and whatever.
They're not made for humans. No, it's not made for people to go in there and as like some
sort of like source some sort of shrine or even like a temple or even like a to get into those
bigger inner chambers, you have to literally crawl Yep. and duck crawl and scoot up. a freaking
tilted shaft like super far. Yeah. It is like you can't stand straight. Some places like
you can't even like crawl straight. Like you have to kind of like scoot like low crawl.
Yep. And they are super uncomfortable. And there's these little air holes that they thought were
like venting shafts or something. And they sent a drone, some sort of like robot in there because
you can't fit in there as a human. You can't fit in there. But they sent some sort of robot
in there. And they looked down and it was just an empty chamber. Like there was nothing in
there at all. There was a door at the end of it. There was a door, yeah, but they were like
nothing in this door. And there was a large chamber. There was a German machinist who was
like part of a survey team or something, and he wanted to like drill a hole in it. And somehow
he got the approval and they did. In the door? Yeah, they drilled through it and they poked
a camera through and they just saw more black. So it was just... I'm not aware of any public
information about what's beyond. But I've heard rumors that they have sort of, nothing, I don't
trust, all this secret, and all these poo-pooing the theories while not showing all the parts
that everyone's actually interested in. Yeah, they're just conveniently neglecting a lot
of these parts that people are wanting to hear about while negating everything that people
are pretty sure they're lying about. Right. So what I really want to see is I want to find
this freaking underground chamber where there's like rows of freaking the king's statues going
back. Like they just described, yeah. Yeah, no, that would be, dude, before like bucket
list stuff, we need to go to Egypt, me and you. Even if it's just me and you, and we don't
take anybody else and we just go. Clearly there's a lot of turmoil and stuff going on in that
area of the world, but we need to make it happen. Totally. on one of the tours. Because I know
they're still doing tours. I would love to go on one of the tours because I would love Yusef
to be the guide. Yes, I want him to be the guide because I don't want anybody else trying to
force feed me something. Right, he's- He's got questions more than anything. He's got questions,
he knows the official history and the unofficial history. And he's making friends with a lot
of people from the West that are giving him- alternative idea so he's probably putting together
some sort of, because he's there all the time, right? So he's probably putting together a
lot more information than anybody else can. Yeah, I found this the other day. It's the
full Egyptian king list. Dude, I'm having crazy... I'm having crazy... What's the word? Why am
I not thinking of it?
Anyway, continue. Deja vu is what I'm having right now. I'm having crazy deja vu right now.
Really? Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. Well, we only have eight other days that could have been
so similar to this that we've done podcasting. Or is it more about the topic? Or do you actually
feel like we've been here? I feel like we're having, I don't know. Dude, that's crazy. I'm
having deja vu. Deja vu is crazy. It is crazy, especially when you admit that it is crazy.
Can you put any words to it? I'm trying, but I can't specifically. It's more, as soon as
you pull that image up and what we were just talking about triggered it. Weird. Yeah. Yeah,
so recently I looked at this Kings list here and I didn't realize how connected the Greek
and the Egyptian cultures were. I knew that they interacted, they traded, they fought sometimes,
they... They were definitely the two big boys on the block in the Mediterranean in that era.
But there's like, this particular website has the Greek name and the Egyptian name for all
these different kings. And the number of years? Yeah, like Ra for Egyptian is Helios for Greek.
That's the second king. The first king have. Osiris as a sire. Phaestos. in Greek and Ptah
in Egyptian. I thought Osiris was Egyptian. Supposedly reigned 9,000 years as the first
king. Yeah, he was a god king. Second king was 1,000 year reign. Yeah, so these first two
are supposed to, these are the gods, like you got Anubis, you got Ares, Heracles, Cronos,
Osiris, Horus, Amon, Zeus. Yeah. who apparently is Amunar in Egyptian. Then there's unknown
four other gods. I didn't know Apollo was an Egyptian god. In total. And then from there,
I thought Apollo was Greek. Apollo's Greek, yeah. It says Apollo is an Egyptian god. Yeah.
And some of these look, I don't know. Those look Egyptian. Some of those. Yeah. Like Anubis.
Right. Is an Egyptian. Right. That's an Egyptian god. I don't know how well organized or reliable
this is, but. Yeah. And then so it's like the gods for the first two dynasties and then it's
supposedly demigods for the third dynasty. Totally in 3650. The fourth dynasty is kings without
names given, but those were supposedly the first like true human. But we don't start giving
credit until later. But that's all part of the Zeptepe, which is the before time. Before time.
They don't give them credit as being real. They give them more as myth. Yeah, according to
Egyptologists, all of this section of the god, the king list, is myth. Mythos, yeah. And then
it's after that where you get the early dynastic and first dynasty and all that. Those... are
the ones where they say the official history of Egypt starts. But they still look, there's
a bunch of question marks. Pretty fascinating that they have so many
shared gods and that they have it written down so specifically as to who ruled in what order
for how long. I find that fascinating. Where were they coming up with that idea?
Maybe it's symbolic. I don't know. It could be mythic, but it could be symbolic for something
real, you know? Well, and if you're, if you're, like, we go back to like this book, right?
Like, once you get past a certain port of history, things start, stop becoming physical and material,
and they go into this ethos of like plant life and proto-humans and Adam being this string
of atoms. literally atoms, like strung out across the universe that are starting to coagulate
into certain areas as tree-like beings, you know? And then it starts this whole plant life
formation, and then there's these, you know, gods. But even in this book, it tells you,
like, remember, these are images in order to get you to, like, feel. And it brings you back
to the initiate trying to learn what it is to, like, the secret history.
And it's going to continue here. Like this is a perfect chapter to continue. So this is chapter
four. Yeah, we're going straight into chapter four here. Lucifer, the light of the world,
the apple of desire, a war in heaven, the secrets of the days of the week. Creation was reenacted
in the mystery schools, a drama in three acts. The first act dramatized Saturn's oppression
of mother earth. This was called the Age of Saturn. The second act dramatized the birth
of the sun and his protection of Mother Earth. This, the paradise of the flower people, was
remembered as the Age of the Sun. During the reenactment of those great events, the candidate
for initiation would found himself in the middle of what was partly a play with special effects
and partly a seance. In an altered state, perhaps drugged, and with little ability to distance
himself from the events, the candidate was guided by the priest on a shaman-like journey through
the spirit worlds. Drama, as we know it today, would eventually move out of the Greek mystery
centers, but, or to become public performances, but in the early days of the mystery schools
at least, candidates would never have seen anything like this before. We now come to the third
act. the subject of this chapter at the start of it, there is this momentous event we all,
we alluded to at the end of the last chapter, earth and sun separate. From now on, the sun's
life-giving rays, rather than illuminating it from inside, shine down upon the earth from
the sky. As a result, the earth cools and becomes denser. It becomes less gaseous and more liquid.
It shrinks and the whole of its watery surface is covered by Adam and Eve and their flowery
gently fluttering progeny. The whole earth is covered by Adam and Eve. That sounds like panspermia
right there, man. Exactly, I was gonna go right back to that. You know what's cool about, like,
I love this conception of the Adam and Eve because, like, what they mean by Adam here and Eve is,
not just the first humans. They're talking about the first life, the first physical life. Yep.
That had some sort of consciousness is what they, you know. I mean, there was consciousness
before that with the Mother God and Jupiter and Helios. In the stories and in the feeling
of it. Adam and Eve are the first physical consciousness. It's the first materialistic consciousness.
It's the first consciousness that's bound to matter. Consciousness that you can describe
by matter because before that it's all materialistic, right, so you can't Yeah, you can't put any
kind of emphasis on what it was like materially and what it might have looked like it was all
Just esoteric in the fact that like you had to create these images in your head And that's
what they did in these mystery schools It's create these images by giving you drugs and
performing some sort of seance to get you into the state and doing a lot, like acting out
physically, a lot of the story. Can you imagine getting freaking gang jumped into a secret
society in a world where no one's really doing proper theater yet? Yeah. And then putting
on a full theatrical production with drugs and music and costumes and special effects. And
like, you know? I want to read this passage, too. That would be crazy. Go ahead. Actually,
no, no. It would be absolutely great. I don't know if it's coming up quick, like soon. It's
going to be in a minute, but it talks about how like the initiate would have been succumbed.
to so many different things that physically, if you were to imagine yourself going through,
it would be terrifying and thrilling, especially if you've ever done drugs and you know what
that might be like and what your brain can do. You talk about an experience of God and the
supernatural, you know? Even though it's like, staged quote, but it's just- It's intentionally
staged. Like you said, it's a seance. It's a shamanic journey. It's a spiritual experience
to- create it. Yeah. They're guiding you through this experience by, and this is primitive stuff,
right? Later on, you can do this more with just words and breathing and whatever. But this
is primitive. This stuff is settled down more into almost scientific rituals. Yeah. But then
they thought in order to get you to feel what was being felt at the time, you had to physically
fall down or physically be blinded by what they described as like lightning, but in reality,
it's just them like pointing a pointing a mirror at you and like letting sunlight directly into
your eyes, you know, like, a lot like a flashlight in your eyes and like trying to like get you
to visualize the scene that's being played out, you know, but I just want to point out that
Adam and Eve are not just ours. They belong to the animals and aliens. Yep. That's funny
you say that. So I've got this marked on a quickly. I got to where I'm okay.
Where is it? Okay, here we go. Suddenly, at the climax of the third act, the candidate
for initiation into the Mystery School watching this drama would have caught a whiff of sulfur,
maybe even been half blinded by a flash of lightning, as the peaceful pastoral scene was invaded
by a glistening alien life form, horrifyingly vivid and horned this The picture that was
being presented to his imagination was of a snake, seemingly endlessly long, millions of
miles of it weaving its way through the cosmos, a snake with a perverse kind of beauty. Thou
hast been and eaten the garden of God, says Ezekiel 28-13. Every precious stone was thy
covering the Sardius topaz. the diamond, the barrel, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire,
the emerald, and the carbuncle in gold. The candidate for initiation would have watched
with horror as it coiled itself ever more tightly around Adam's vegetable trunk. He would have
understood that what he was watching was the series of events by which life on earth moved
painfully on to the next stage of evolution. Because the story of the serpent entwined around
the tree contains the clearest possible image of the Earth's transition from vegetable to
animal life. So this is the initiate. And that's why it was perfect timing. Like, the initiate
was going through what they describe, right? So they're starting to get whiffs of sulfur,
which can do its own to your mind, like, when you're starting to smell that. It's like sulfur
and brimstone. That's like the quintessential. That's what the hell it's supposed to smell
like. Right. And then, like I was saying, they do a flash of lightning, which is probably
them just flashing light on them to get them to have a certain sort of. And then they start
to, I don't know if it's maybe like chants or maybe it's some sort of like walking through,
auditorily, just walking them through it. And they started to paint this picture in the mind
of this snake being intertwined around this atom. which is the tree-like trunk of Adam.
These people are crazy. Yeah. Like they're committed to their craft. So I would have to pass them
to like incorporate some new things. They put their whole lives into these things, especially
back then. Their whole life was what... I'd say that as if all snakes are bad. Sorry, snake
bros. You guys are great. So I'll continue here. Since the 18th century, when a matter before
mind worldview began to take over from the ancient mind before matter worldview, the church has
tried to reconcile the Genesis account of creation with the findings of science. This has been
a doomed enterprise because it is based on a modern anachronistic reading of Genesis. Anachronistic,
sorry. No, it's fine. I didn't pick your pronunciations. That's fine. But I'm your brother and I'm gonna
do it. Genesis does not consider evolution objectively as modern scientists do, piercing together
bits of geological and anthropological and archeological evidence impartially and objectively evaluated.
The story of Genesis is a subjective account of the way humanity evolved. He's giving the
scientists a lot of credit there. I wanna back up a little bit to the serpent metaphor. Because
he talks about being a metaphor for the beginning of animal life. And I... Oh, you know what?
That's that image of the snake coiling around the tree. That's like the same image that's
like pharmaceuticals and like medicals. I was literally... When I heard this, yeah, that's
exactly it. The image that it shows right here is not the... Oh, that's not actually it. No,
that is. It's just like a human body. Anyway, yeah, I know. I was going to say it's the caduceus
or whatever they call it. It's like the serpent around the staff. Yeah. And it shows you like
the spine. And that's like the central nervous system being wrapped around it by a serpent.
I hope he further explains the metaphor or that you cover it. Because. When I think of the
serpent, I think of it as like, I'm really taken by Randall Carlson's interpretation of the
serpent being a symbol for the comet. But that doesn't mean that it can't be a symbol for
multiple things. And it's a different form of a coiled serpent versus almost like a dragon-like
extended serpent. Well, if you look at this image real quick, I'll show you. This is the
one I was talking about. It's Adam and Eve as they are in human form, but with a human head
on a vine looking serpent that coils around the tree. And this is just a depiction. This
is the temptation of Adam and Eve, circa 1427 by Fresco, Fresco by Masolino de Panecao. So
it's an old. the penultimate.
They go on to talk about how the thought started to become part of human existence. And so did
want. And so did need. And so did all these things. Because if you're a vegetable existence,
you're rooted. And you get all the sustenance you need. So that means everything you need
comes to you or is delivered to you from above from the sun or falls onto you from the sky
or you pull it out from the earth. Plants do have the ability to turn. Sure. I like the
theories of plants are actually just animals that move a lot slower, too. Right. But, uh.
Like a sloth? Yeah, they just operate on a different time scale. It's funny how sloths become super
plant looking before they die. Like, right as when they're at their, like they start getting
moss growing on them, they look all green because plant life is starting to grow on them because
of how slow they move. Interesting. Yeah. But yeah. But I am kind of now like I don't know
if I'm remembering from when I like read through all this or If this is where I'm just a good
guesser, but probably just remembering but When you switch from vegetable to animal, yeah,
all of a sudden you need to go feed yourself. Yep, you Need to keep yourself alive The world
doesn't just deliver life to you anymore. Yep, it's not coming from within. Now it's coming
from exterior, which is what the analogy they use with the sun going from within. And that's
the fall. And that's being, that's representative of being kicked out of the Garden of Eden because
that paradise existence is gone. Like those days are gone. Yep, and now you have the enlightenment
from eating the apple, right? So now you have these urges, you have these needs that you
need to meet. that are coming from outside of you, in a sense, instead of coming from within.
Yeah, interesting.
Yeah, where does it go? Yeah, so we saw in the last chapter how matter had in a sense prepared
the ground in which vegetable life could be born. Now, vegetable life is at, is it were
formed a cradle into which animal life could be born. To put it another way, vegetable life
formed a seed bed into which the seeds of animal life fell. Right. This is the beginning of
the momentous episode in history called The Fall. Have you seen the History of the Entire
World, I guess? That YouTube video? I guess, is it actually from shuttle? It's called The
History of the Entire World, I guess. I haven't. Oh my god. Is it good? Dude, maybe we just
do an episode reacting to it and talking about it, because it's good information and it's
hilarious. But there's one moment, because he It's about as ambitious as this. He's got like
a one hour video that covers everything from the Big Bang to modern day. Oh wow. Yeah, and
so at one point he's covering, he's covering how like life started in the ocean, that theory,
and how,
once there was an ozone finally, like they could come out of the ocean and go on land, and he's
like, but. And then he shows a little fish swimming up to the land. He's like, I don't care. Because
there's nothing to eat. And then he's like, OK, now there's plants here. Are you interested
now? And some bugs. He's like, I guess. And then a fish flops onto the surface and then
gets trapped and grows legs. OK, so he's more coming out from a comedic sense, in a sense?
More like a parodic? He's like a musician. a comedian, but he's actually trying to do as
best of a job as he can to all of existence in one hour. Right. So like, you got to condense
it. You can't do it justice. Right. Yeah. That makes sense. It's a great video.
All right. Well, we're over again, so why don't we take another break? And we'll come back.
We'll keep going. Get back into the candidate stuff. I will link you guys on the show notes
to the secret history of the world. You guys check it out. It's not the secret history.
The history of the entire world. I guess. I'm going to have to watch that. I'll probably
watch it tonight as I fall asleep. Yeah, there you go. Adios. Or we'll be back.
Thanks for watching!
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Where we at? We just finished talking about the fall. The Lucifer chapter. Yeah. Well,
yeah, we're a few pages in. But yeah, this is starting to talk about the fall. This is the
beginning of the momentous episode in history called the fall. So we'll get right into it.
The candidate for initiation was made to feel the terrible sense of crisis and danger involved
in the fall. quite literal way. Suddenly, as if impelled by an earth tremor, he found himself
falling down into a black hole, pitching into what he quickly discovered to be a snake pit.
In the esoteric tradition, the rough-hewn chamber that lies underneath the Great Pyramid of Giza,
known as the Chamber of Ordeal,
performed just this function. Recent excavations of Baia in Italy where a system of caves, part
natural and part manmade, were believed by the Romans to be actual entrances to the underworld
have actually revealed the site of a trap door, which would have flung the candidate in a for
initiation down into the snake pit below. Mmm, like literally drop them in a pitt steak start
about the laughing there. I found a Finger puppet toy Danced it across the jurors book while
he was reading Wasn't distracting at all. I might have to give you guys a picture of this
Cool. I want one. I've got plenty of them lying around random places around the house I love
a little kids toys sit down here. There's this all over What was the, did they name a location
there that this was at? They did. What was the location? So, tradition, in the esoteric tradition,
the rough-hewn chamber that lies underneath the Great Pyramid of Giza, known as the Chamber
of Ordeal, performed just this function. So they, I don't know that they probably did use
this site at one time, but... Recent excavations of Baia in Italy where the system of caves
part natural and part man-made were believed by the Romans to be actual entrances to the
underworld Right. So this is like and that it almost reminds me of those caves found in Is
it Greece? Greece. Yeah, that's supposed to be the entrance to Hades and it was a lot of
like partially man-made and partially natural caves like if there was some manmade aspect
to it. Yeah, I think Brian Murorescu talks about that. Yeah, I think so. In his book. We're
gonna cover his stuff too. This is gonna be, I think, the next book report we do. Yeah.
So the candidate experienced for himself how Lucifer and his legions infested the whole
earth with a plague of glistening serpents. He saw how, according to the secret history,
the whole earth began to seed with primitive animal life. He saw, too, how desire tormented
the very ground, making it heave, leaving traces of this torment in expressive rock formations.
But why should the translation from vegetable to animal life be marked by such torment? The
account of the catastrophic or catastrophe in Genesis emphasizes this tormented aspect in
some of the most sonorous phrases. on the Old Testament. Sonorous phrases, I like that phrase.
Unto the women, he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception. In sorrow, shalt
thou bring forth children. And unto Adam, he said, cursed is the ground for thy sake. In
sorrow, shalt thou eat in all the days of thy life. Thorns also. and thistles shall it bring
forth to thee. It seems that as a result of the fall, humans have to suffer, to strive
and to die. But why? Yeah. So yeah. Because we're freaking animals now. Yeah, we're now
into a different state of consciousness, or being, or essence. Like we're now, we've taken
the desire, and now it's part of us. Lucifer, just as the mother goddess and the sun god
were before. is now a part of us. You know, this idea of duality, right? The good and evil
within us and the Savior within us that is there to help us, in a sense. Like the Mother Goddess
being created in the image and the Lucifer or Satan, rather, the Saturn coming in darkness
to give life to the vegetable. state which the sun god comes to protect or starts attacking
right, starts to mix with the light of mother goddess and then the sun god coming to save
and in doing so creates this vegetable life. Right, right. And then Lucifer coming and giving
birth. Causing the birth of thought and desire. All of the animal instincts. Right. So I always
thought that as told literal story of Adam and Eve was a little wonky, but as a metaphor for
want and desire, as a metaphor for a phase of existence, where we move out of plant and into
animal, where desire. And because you have desire, you have failure to fulfill those desires,
which is suffering. And greed and envy. Right, but the flip side of that is you have the fulfillment
of desire. Which keeps you going. It means more than all the other feelings, but at the same
time, those other feelings creep in. Right. Well, it's what makes you an active participant.
Like, because before, consciousness was more passive. You're sitting there plant-like. The
world is happening to you. Yep, exactly. You've got minimal control. You're conscious, so you're
like observing and experiencing. And you have what they describe as the third eye. You don't
have a lot of power over the world yet. Yeah, you can experience all of what the universe
has to offer. But you can't the. Except for desire. Well, except for desire, but at the
same time you're, so you're, you're experiencing the, a different stage, like a different, um,
level, right? To go back to my onion theory, right? There's different levels of consciousness.
And this almost says- I think you mean your Shrek theory? Yeah, my onion Shrek theory.
This almost like gives me the, the thought of like, like there, it kind of solidifies that
thought in the sense of like- there are different levels and this creation, right, was our beginning.
That doesn't mean it was the only beginning or that everything that happened before in
quote unquote history is not still happening somewhere in the universe. That term you're
using, our beginning, like you don't just mean human beings. No, I mean this universe. That
would apply to all animal life, right? Well, in my way of thinking, it implies to the entire
universe that we can discover, that we can see. It applies to everything. It's almost as if
this isn't just a telling of history. It's like a telling. It's not telling of our history.
It's a telling of the universe's history. And this is the section of history that we would
have in common with any alien life out there that we ever encounter. Exactly. Not that they
wouldn't have their own peculiarities and spins on it, but like, it's a pretty, like, in line,
like, like all of this is not too far from like metaphor to like scientific concepts. We're
going to go right into that too. Wrapped up in this ancient language are truths modern
science would recognize. We have already touched on the way plants reproduce. by a method called
parthenogenesis. A part of the plant falls off and grows into a new plant. This new plant
is in a sense a continuation of the old one, which therefore in a sense does not die. Right,
it's a clone. The evolution of animal life and its characteristic method of reproduction,
sex, brought death with it. As soon as hunger, desire were felt. So too were dissatisfaction,
frustration, sorrow, and fear. Mm-hmm. Right. You're moving around. You can die in so many
different ways. Yeah. Right? So many things to worry about. You know that what you need
is something that you can have, but you don't have it. So there's dissatisfaction. There's
frustration. Which goes back to the economics episode of that is the human condition. Right.
Exactly. That is. human action and the basis of what it means to be human is that we look
out in the world and we have desires, we have dissatisfactions, and we have enough of an
understanding and an ability to interact with our environment that we can make theories about
how to change the future to our satisfaction. That's the human condition. And that's like,
boom. Secret history of the world, beginning of economics. Yeah. So who is it who tempts
Eve? Who is the serpent who inflames the world with a desire? We probably all feel we know
the answer to the question, but naively, the problem is that those in charge of our spiritual
development have kept us at a nursery level of understanding. We began to see in the last
chapter how the church has covered up its astronomical roots. how the beginning of Genesis contains
hidden within it stories of the same gods of the planets. We know from other more primitive
religions, the god Saturn, the earth goddess, and the sun god, as we now move further into
the Genesis account of history, we can see again how this covering up of astronomical roots
the radical monotheism of the modern church can stop us from understanding clearly what
the ancient text is trying to tell us. Yeah. Right. But it's all there in the layers. And
they reference it. They do reference it. It's more of when it comes to a point where it's
kind of like a crossroads and like they can see that some people might start questioning
this aspect of the stories that are being told or what they're referencing. They cover it
up by saying it's a mistranslation and it's not to be conflated, or they start playing
word games where they say that this is not plural and it could be this and that, and they start
to kind of play games with it a little bit in order to keep you on track of like, that's
just a reference, who cares? Right, right. It doesn't really mean anything to the overall
history of our religion. I mean, at least we're in a position these days where we have, you
know, we've gone through getting the printing press and the internet and like, yeah, we have
that evolution. Massive worldwide communication to where like we can talk about these things.
Like back when so much of the world was controlled by the Christian church or by the Catholic
church specifically, like they would do their masses in Latin. and people didn't understand
a fucking word that the priest was saying, but they would do it because that's the tradition.
And it's a way of confusing people. It would only be later. Right, it would only be during
things called a homily where you would start to explain what it was you just read and whatnot.
So you have steps. That was the window into, because they weren't literate, and you couldn't
read it in the Latin, and they only kept the Bibles in the Latin. You had to. become a scholar
to learn Latin. And so- And then by that time you're already initiated into whatever it is
that they're doing. So like your only access to these biblical ideas at that time was through
the officials of the church. Interesting. Wow. And so you can... You can make anything sound
anything. You can poo whatever symbolism. You can change the words and no one knows. Not
until later. Yeah. So this is what we were talking about. It goes into talking about the separation
of the devil from the Satan and Lucifer. So most people would naturally assume that Christianity
allows for the existence of only one devil, the devil. In other words, that Satan and Lucifer
are the same entity. In fact, we need only a quick, fresh look at the text to see that the
authors of the Bible intended something quite different. Again, this is something many biblical
scholars accept, but which hasn't filtered down to congregations. We have seen that Satan,
the Dark Lord, the agent of materialism, is to be identified with the god of the planet
Saturn in Greek and Roman mythology. Is Lucifer the snake, the tempter who inflames humanity
with animal desire also to be identified with Saturn or perhaps with a different planet?
There is a vast erudite body of literature comparing biblical texts to older and contemporary texts
from neighboring cultures, which shows that the two main representatives of evil in the
Bible, Satan and Lucifer, are not the same entity. Fortunately, we do not need to immerse ourselves
in this literature because there is quite explicit statement in the Bible itself. So, the Bible,
you know, has a statement about it instead of having to go through all the text, is what
they're saying. So, from Isaiah 14-12,
Oh, Lucifer, son of the morning, the morning star is of course Venus. The Bible therefore
identifies Lucifer with the planet Venus. Yeah. Lucifer, son of the morning. The morning star
is of course Venus. Who was that? That's that Kanye song. Well, I mean, it was a sample of
someone else. I don't actually know who sang that originally. Why the find out? But it's
that sample that I love so much. That sounds like something that you would have to find
out. Oh, no, it's not Kanye. I think it was a Kanye beat for a Jay-Z song. So, yeah, Lucifer,
the morning star. This is a passage straight from the Bible, from Isaiah 14-12. And it talks
about the morning. And it references son of the morning. So it's talking about it being
born of the morning and Venus being the morning star. Right, and we already have the sun god,
so this, it's not talking about the sun god. Right, and it also, there's different emphasis
on the word sun, is lowercase and not capitalized. Don't know, you're like, I don't know very
much, but I've been internalizing this one, thanks to like Randall and the Sertman and
Graham and all them. Oh yeah. The reason Venus is called the morning star is because, just
think about it, here we are. We're orbiting the sun, okay? And the next planet closest
to us is Venus, right? So it's impossible for Venus to ever get, from our perspective, very
far away from the sun. Whereas any of the planets that orbit outside of us, they can take this
whole arc of the plane of the ecliptic. Whereas Venus is stuck. just orbiting around the sun.
So wherever the sun is, you know the Venus, that Venus is tracking with the plane of the
ecliptic can only be within this range, which means anytime the sun comes up, you're either
at a time of year where Venus rises and then the sun rises, or you're at a time of year
where the sun sets and then you see Venus set. Venus always travels near the sun. That's why
it's called the morning star. Interesting. I didn't know that, but that's good to know.
And it's also interesting because that puts... So, is Venus... Venus is a Roman god, not a
Greek god, right? Yeah, it goes right into that. Go ahead. No, we don't have to... But it talks
about Venus is, in Greece and Rome, Aphrodite to the Greeks. Aphrodite is the god of Venus.
Which is interesting because, what is Aphrodite the goddess of? Aphrodite, uh. Don't look it
in the book. What is Aphrodite? Well. Aphrodite, she is the goddess of. Sex. Yeah, like desire,
lust. Not even, love is kind of a misnomer. It's not really love. It's more like. It's
lust. Lust, desire. Yeah. It's like a lustful thing. Yeah. And that's the same as Lucifer.
Right, that's the same as Lucifer. He's the one that brings us the desire. He's the one
that brings us the fall. He's the one that brings us the pain and suffering. And what's more
pain and suffering than a lust, a desire for something that you can't have. Yep. Right,
so like they actually do play a similar role, but not if you get the kindergarten tale of
Aphrodite being the goddess of love. She's not Cupid. Right. She's much more sinister than
that. Yeah, well, that's exactly right. Like, you... They're basically synonymous. It's more
of just like the tales that are told about them, like passed down to like, you know, certain
crowds. Like, depending on your most recent time that you heard about the Greek gods, like...
If you were young and you heard of Aphrodite, you probably heard of the goddess of love and
stuff. But if you do any more research, there's a lot more to her than that. And I don't know,
I know a little but very little about Greek mythology, but as little as I know about Greek
mythology, I know even less about Roman mythology. Like I barely even know all their like Pantheon's
names and stuff. I know a couple of them. but not much. I don't know much. I'd have to look
into that more. Yeah, so it connects Lucifer with Venus. It says Lucifer and Venus are also
ambiguous figures. Lucifer is evil, but he is a necessary evil. Without Lucifer's intervention,
proto-humanity would not have evolved beyond vegetative state. Also, as a result of Lucifer's
intervention in history, we are animated. both in the sense of that we can move about the
surface of the planet and also the sense that we are moved by desire. An animal has a conscious
awareness of itself as a distinct entity that is denied to plants. To say that Adam and Eve
knew that they were naked is to say that they became aware that they had bodies. Right. So
yeah, that's just the distinction between the animal and proto-human, like vegetable state.
And what it might have felt like to suddenly believe you. The term naked is itself a symbolic
use of language, right? Because you can say that I was naked to this, which means like
I didn't expect it. Yeah. Right? Like I wasn't prepared. Yeah, you were naive to the fact
that you had a body. Like plants have a body. We know that plants have a body, but plants
don't know that plants have a body. But as soon as you start moving around, as soon as you
can start freaking kicking your toe on a counter, and as soon as another animal is trying to
hunt you, and as soon as you need to move around constantly, constantly to guarantee your food
source. Like that's safety and survival. And that is that. being aware of your body, that
is being aware that you have needs, that you have wants, that you have desires. It's not
just Adam and Eve getting shy because they're showing their pretty parts. Right. No, yeah,
it's more of like, you know, you're showing your philosophical weakness, right? Like you
start to understand that you are a being and you... have actions you can take. So as soon
as you realize that and you haven't done anything before then to do anything, like you start
getting a fire lit under you, right? You start realizing like, I need to start doing shit.
To like survive. Like I need, you know, it's not just,
yeah, it's not just them realizing that they're naked and they're worried about their shit
being seen. Yeah, it's more of like a internal, like, mental thought, like you start having
thoughts. It does describe that and I don't know if I've, maybe I'll get into it here,
but in order to delve, this is back to the chapter four in Lucifer, in order to delve deeper into
the ambiguity and to understand better the next great event in the secret history of the world,
we now turn to the early German version of Venus and Lucifer in medieval poetry and would enter
the mainstream of world literature when it was taken up and adapted by Wolfram von Eschenbach.
In Parsifal, C. Lucifer, there he is. If there are still master priests, then you know well
that I am saying the truth. Saint Michael saw God's anger. He took Lucifer's crown from his
head in such a way that the stone jumped out of it. which on earth became Parcival Stone.
That's a... Parcival how's that spelled? Who's Parcival? P-A-R-S-I-F-A-L Parcifal is the name
of the play, but I'm not sure.
I'm not sure if it's a person or not. I didn't follow that last point. No, that wasn't a point.
It was more, it was like from Eschenbach's play, The Parseval. Read that quote one more time.
So it was, you're talking about a medieval poetry and would enter the mainstream in the literature
that was taken up and adapted by Wolfram von Eschenbach in Parseval, which I'm assuming
is a poetry or a play or whatever. So it says, see, Lucifer, there he is. If there are still
master priests, then you know well that I am saying the truth. St. Michael saw God's anger.
He took Lucifer's crown from his head in such a way that the stone jumped out of it, which
on earth became Parsifal stone. Parsifal stone.
So I'm assuming it's kind of just talking about God's anger with Lucifer. Right. And the fact
that he took his crown of being a, basically like the crown of being a god and sent him...
Right. Being the sun god. Yeah. Right? Like, because this is like... Being the morning star
god, you know? This is like Lucifer antagonizing, this is Lucifer Venus antagonizing the one
sun god. The same way Satan, Saturn was antagonizing the mother goddess, right? It's like you get
one side and then you get the other. Then you get the next big God and then you get the other
side. The anti. Yeah. There's always this duality of it. And as time goes on, it's talking about
the evolution of it, right? So there's different names. And it also kind of jumps back to like...
the gods being born of gods within the god, right? So it's like this like parthenogenesis
structure, right? In the Greeks, they preserved a lot of that like in the weird ways a lot
of the gods were born, like one of them like coming out of like Zeus's thigh, or bursting
out of his head, forget which is which. It's that same idea, like the god being the ethereal
mist of the universe and being born of that. where the light and the darkness kind of fight,
and then there's this savior that's born from within it that comes out and it shines the
light on it externally, which cools and hardens it. It's literally almost like a telling of
the universe being born and all these planets and all these different, you know, maybe they
didn't have the words for it then, but it was all these different...
Cosmos, or what's the word I'm looking for? Galaxies. All these different galaxies being
formed. And it's almost as if the different tellings and the different gods and the different
ages are different galaxies being formed and their sonnet, their poem being written in a
way to create an image in your head. But it also. equates to the fact that those have some
sort of intrinsic
value to Earth itself, right? There's some connection there. And that kind of goes back to Adam's
web-like structure of the universe, right? It was this fine mist of particles that were starting
to connect and interweave, and then they would break apart and form separate things. And those
are the things being born out of Adam. And that's where I kind of go back to where my point is,
if Adam, this idea of Adam is the universe, then it's still happening. It hasn't stopped.
Galaxies are being born. There's still things happening that are forming into the, quote
unquote, future. Well, we think so. We can only see the past when you look at the sky. Right,
but. It gives you an idea of it being a never-ending story, right? If this is what's being taught
and told, and these are the metaphors and analogies that they're using to describe the history
of us, it only makes sense to continue. Yeah. We need to go into that. I need to look into
that more. I know you were talking about it. That one's going to be a big project for me.
The way this is Drew's responsibility, or Waspy's going to be mine. And that thing is a freaking
beast. I want to hear it. So the short story of it is basically there's some dude who was
getting visions and communications with entities. And they tested him, and they made him cleanse
himself. And then they started coming to him in visions and made him buy a typewriter and
learn to type. And then told him to sit down at it every morning and they would write through
him. So it's this phenomenon known as automatic writing that is, you know. Esoteric and psychic
circles across the world right the automatic writing is a phenomenon Anyway, he sits down
every morning And he writes this thing and he's instructed not to read it until it's complete
and he comes up with this big freaking book called a wasp e manifesto a new Bible new religion
That goes into more detail. It's like the detail it's weird as I've been reading it. I'm only
about like maybe a quarter of the way into it. This freaking thing is huge. It's like over
1,000 pages. Yeah, that would be a few book reports down the way there. Yeah, and I'll
have to condense a lot of it, because some of it is really repetitive. And I want to like,
but what it makes me, the reason it makes me think of Owaspy is because in Owaspy, their
mythology of the creation of everything is also essentially starting with life just existing.
Yeah. Like that it sort of has like that atom kind of that kind of origin sense of like materialism
and stuff. And like their take is that the planets in their course around their sun and then your
solar system's course around its galaxy takes you through these different nebula clouds that
purposely sprinkle the earth with all the materials needed to kickstart life. That's their explanation
for life, and it's very much panspermia. But then, once it starts getting into the history
of Earth, it gets into the history of all of these different gods ruling over Earth. And
their effect on Earth. Yeah, they have their own sort of hierarchy of higher beings. So
according to O'Ospie, the one prime mover god brought the entire universe into existence.
Their name for that is Jehovah in the Waspi. And then it's like a big freaking bureaucracy
below that. So Jehovah is the creator. Below that is gods. Gods are like a position, like
a king, like a spiritual king. And a god may be like the ruler of an entire solar system
or galaxy. And then, and then. those gods will have minor gods that rule than those planets.
Physically. Yeah, so like, as kings on the earth or this planet. The god, quote unquote, god
of earth. Yeah. And then that god has his lords that are appointed to rule over different portions
of the earth. So these are, it almost gives you the story of like these, the origin stories
where you get a god coming out of
the people they appoint or the people that are godly enough that can, you know, whether it
be a huckster that just wants to gain power or whatever, but what you're saying is they
are appointed in a sense, right? Yeah, and that like there's like a certain, there's certain
time cycles that go on and every so often it's time for like all of the, all of the living
creatures who have grown and died and then gone through like a spiritual afterlife. they're
on that planet, eventually they get to graduate and go out into the cosmos and learn the next
phase of being spiritual beings. So there's like a, and that there's a stage after this.
Yeah, but there's this cycle where like, every time a new God gets appointed to like rule
here, everything's fine, they go and they set everything straight on earth, but then over
time, inevitably, Things start going south. The God starts. giving more and more power
to his lords to let things run. They trust their lords to do the thing, and they have other
responsibilities, so they'll go dip out somewhere else and check on things. And then, given enough
time, those lords start getting greedy, and they start convincing men to worship them as
God. So you gotta think, right? So these lords are... They're kind of dependent on the God
to give them the information that it takes and give them the arrow of the direction they need
to be moving society in, in a sense, right? Because they're appointed, you know, whether
they don't have the same level of consciousness or awareness that the God has of what the universe
is needing or wanting to push things towards, right? So instead, they start to be like, look.
I haven't heard from him in a while, but instead of telling people that, I'm gonna start just
channeling or pretending, you know, to like channel what's the information and just come
up with shit off the top of my head. And maybe a day to that God, it goes and dips out to
another thing that's having an issue, right? That day that they're gone is 2000 years. Right,
right. You know? And that Lord dies, or maybe it doesn't, and it has to. go, you know, whatever
might happen. These are post-physical creatures at this point. So they're dead. By the time
they're gods and lords, right? So they've already been dead, but they're like, they're in charge
of the spiritual. Right, guidance of the area that they're in charge of, yeah. But they get
left unattended for too long. They can start to get envious of the other gods and start
to, you know, like, no, why am I preparing everyone for? to ship them off somewhere else when I
could just be like teaching these people to give me everything I want. And then they eventually
like corrupt the religions so that the people are worshipping them rather than the creator
of all. And that it tells these stories of like multiple like cataclysms being visited upon
the earth to like wipe it of these unclean lords who then inspire kings on the earth to get
men to act evil and it ties into like giants. and like weird different creatures. Like, it's
a really cool thing. It's gonna be a good book. It goes into that too here. Like this, yeah,
reminds me. It goes a lot into that. There's a lot of weird parallels. So.
Tradition tells us, then, that as Lucifer fell, a great emerald dropped from his forehead.
This signals that humanity would increasingly suffer a loss of vision in the third eye, the
brow chakra. While the result of the influence of Satan is that life is often hard to bear,
it is as a result of the influence of Venus that life is often hard to understand. The
influence of Venus brought a paradoxical, tricky quality to the heart of the universe. In other
words, delusion entered the world. Lucifer endowed matter with a glamour that would dazzle humankind
and blind people to higher truths. Why is it that the way forward sometimes looks like the
way backwards? Why is it that the thing we most ought not do looks almost indistinguishable
from the thing we ought to do? In my heart of hearts, I know what I ought to do, but I have
another alien element entwined inside me that wants to lead me astray. Yeah. This is that
dichotomy. This is that, like, that. I mean, this is what it means to be human. Yeah. And
you know, people struggle with this day in, day out. You know, you struggle with the urge
what you shouldn't do. You know, you know the morals of it, and a lot of people do, and there
are people that are,
nurtured differently, in a sense, that have less of a distinguishable line there. But,
yeah, no, so it makes sense that, so like what they're talking about is like the bringing
of delusion, right? It's like the idea of like you are something that you see yourself or
see a situation as something that it is just physically and in reality not. Well, so if
this is the beginning of animal life, right, and this is the beginning of desire, of course
it's the beginning of delusion because like all of a sudden you're set free to roam the
world with no understanding, right, no instruction manual on how to do it successfully. Like,
from God's perspective. Right, from even what you were before, right? The proto-human, like
they had tapped in, they had this third eye, they could see the universe in the higher form.
Right. And so you're now a free economic acting creature who can make decisions and go after
wants and ends, right? Without the repercussions of knowing the morals necessarily. All you
know is you need to do shit to survive. when you are able to accomplish that, then you might
have the luxury to do shit for pleasure. And once you discover that, you can get wrapped
up in the chasing of those pleasures to the exclusion of why you're here in the first place,
and that's that delusion, you know? Absolutely. So it talks about here, modern science neglects
questions like how did delusion come into the world, or imagination, or willpower? But to
the ancients, delusion, imagination, and will were among the greatest forces in the universe.
Living out there in three-dimensional space as well as in our own minds, for them, the
history of creation was at the center and account of how these things came to be. So I kind of
mess with the wording there, but. So these were among the greatest forces in the universe,
living out there in a three-dimensional space, as well as in our own minds. For them, the
history of creation was at the center of account of how these things came to be. So it goes
on, Frederick Nietzsche says, unless you have chaos inside you, you cannot give birth to
the dancing star. That's a quote from Nietzsche. Neat. What a money.
In the early chapters of Genesis telling the story of creation, the word usually translates
to as God. God is, as we have seen, Elohim. Later Genesis ceases to refer to Elohim and
instead the word usually translates as God, or is Jehovah in the Bible. And biblical scholars
working outside the esoteric traditions have tended to explain what appears to them as two
different names for the same God. As the result, the two different literary strands, the Elohim
strand and the Jehovah strand, probably dating from different periods and woven together by
a later redactor. So yeah, but there's that important distinction that one is very much
plural. Yeah, so it goes on to say, esoteric tradition have a much simpler explanation.
Elohim and Jehovah are not different names for the same entity, but different entities. Elohim
is, as we have seen, a collective name for the seven spirits working together as the God of
the sun. While Jehovah came into being when One of the seven broke away to defend the Earth
from Venus.
So this is the next battle is what they're saying. Like when instead of Saturn and the sun god,
this is, you know, Venus. The one of the seven that breaks off to battle Venus. To battle
Venus when Venus starts becoming out of control. In order to discover Jehovah's true astronomical
identity, we must look again at the iconography in his, of his opponent, Venus. We must also
continue to bear in mind that for the ancients, the history of the origins of the cosmos, was
as much about human experience was put together how experience gained its character. Um, let
me share a good though, right? Oh, hang on, sorry. Yeah, so we must also continue to bear
in mind that for the ancients, the history of the origins of the cosmos was as much about
human experience was put together as how experience gained its characteristic structure as it was
about how the physical universe was put together. So in other words, it was as much about principles
of human nature as it as about the laws of the natural world. Right, and the principles of
human nature side of it, like I'm absorbing, I'm glad we're covering this in the podcast,
because I'm absorbing it in a different way than I did when I just listened to this book.
When I listened to this book, I was on like a big, long road trip for work, and like I
would just like- Zone and like start thinking and- Dude, yeah, like it would just send me
in these wild, like, like thought stuff. Thought worms, thought threads. Thought threads. And
then I'd realize that 20 minutes has gone by and I haven't heard anything that has been
said in the last 20 minutes. Because I've just been deep in thought. And so I end up having
like, it took me so long to get through the book because I had to just keep rewinding.
Yeah, I did the same thing when I did the audio the first two times. So like being able to
like, take on some of the symbolism and iconography this way is good. Yep. No, this is definitely
a better way. Even when I listen to it in preparation for this, stopping and focusing on a section
and talking to you about it definitely brings more of an understanding of what they're saying
than just going through it quickly and to digest it. I recommend that experience of just going
through it because it's like a wild fantasy. Absolutely. It was great. Imaginative experience,
but then being able to break it down is super useful. But we are over time. So I don't know
if you want to cover a little more. Are we close to the end of a chapter? Or are we at a good
stopping point? I mean, we can go longer. We've done longer than this. We're pretty close to
the end of this chapter. So maybe we just go push through. Kill this chapter. So.
Yeah, so the next thing I've got highlighted here is, in fact, the initiate priest believed
that in order to create the conditions in which human thought would be possible, the cosmos
had to arrange itself in a particular way. In order for human reflection to be possible,
the sun and the moon had to arrange themselves in the sky so that the moon reflected the light.
of the sun down to earth. So this is the as above so below principle. Yep. They also believe
that this arrangement in the sky had to be reproduced on a smaller scale inside the human body. Human
head, specifically. There the pineal gland represented the sun and the moony gland which would...
could modify and reflect the visions that the pineal gland received from the spirit worlds
was the pituitary gland. So you had the pineal and the pituitary in representation to the
sun and the moon as reflecting down on earth. And that's Elohim and Jehovah. Yep. This might
seem one of the matter things that anyone has ever believed, but to an to the ancients, it
corresponded to their everyday lived experiences. They tracked small changes in their consciousness,
which seemed to them to mutate with the changing positions of the sun and the moon. Readers
are invited to check their own experience to see whether their dreams are more vivid when
the moon is big and full. If you observe oysters in a tray for a month, you will see that they
wax and wane with the moon. That's what they're considering here. So if the moon is a space
station, an artificial satellite, but it's also Jehovah, one of the seven that makes up God,
does that mean the sun is artificial too?
Well... I mean, yeah, that's a great question. I would assume, I mean, artificial in what
sense, though? I mean, like, is like a technological creation. I mean, I don't think that, but.
Well, I mean, in a sense, artificial could be natural. I just love the artificial moon theory.
Yeah. And if the moon is one of the seven, that. Right, right. So maybe the sun. But I don't
think the sun. But the sun is what composes the artificial seven. So it would be another
planet or moon, probably, that interacts with Earth. It wouldn't necessarily be the sun itself.
The sun is more of like the creator of the life itself. It's less of the seven were created
out of the sun, is what it's kind of saying, right? Is that what it's saying? Or is it saying?
I thought it was saying. Because earlier it was like, no, Apollo. That's the sun. Um, and
then it's saying, or Helios, and then saying that, uh,
Did it say the sun made up? I thought it said the sun, just read like a page or two back,
it was saying that the sun was made up of seven or that the seven were born from the sun. Let
me look.
Either way, like I could see it. Like that could just be an account of the planets. Right, it
could be a count of at least the seven that were, you know, had the duty of protecting.
Duty. Yeah. Can you go? Yeah, yeah. So...
I flipped too many pages. I'm sorry. No, it's fine. I got past that, okay. The God of the
moon would be come known to the Hebrews as Jehovah and to the Muslims as Allah. The great God
of thousand of thou shalt not. So Allah being the great God of thou shalt not. So as the
climax of this great cosmic drama of creation, the earth is in danger of becoming a living
hell. A new force arose to meet Lucifer, just as the seven Elohim had acted to hold sa- Yeah,
so it's talking about the Elohim as being the Sun God basically, but they're- it's split
up in seven parts. Yeah. So it's not necessarily- like the Sun is its own thing, like the Sun
is what created the seven, is what it's kind of referring to. I didn't hear it that way
even still. No? Well, because it says.
I don't know. It kind of sounds that way to me. Just as the seven Elohim, because Elohim
is plural of gods. You're right. But it's not specifically talking about the sun gods. What?
Just as the seven Elohim had acted to hold Saturn and Satan in check. So it's talking about it.
If the Elohim represents the sun god, then it would be seven parts of the sun god himself.
Yes. The seven parts of the sun god, I don't know what they would represent, but moon is
one of them. Oh, I know, seven is one of those big numbers in numerology, the seven sages
and like, yeah. Yeah, so it continues, yeah. So Elohim acted in order to hold Saturn and
Satan in check, right? So now one of these seven broke away to become the god of the moon. So
it wasn't the god of the moon. Right, it was part of the sun. So it was part of the sun.
Yeah. So there was this light being emanated that gave life to the moon, which was a god.
And it's, okay. So it was then the sun god, at least a part of it. Yeah, the moon got demoted,
or at least it got stationed on earth duty. So we didn't actually go into- So it is an
artificial satellite. It's official. It's supposed to be part of the sun. So yeah, so it says,
so yeah, the one of the seven gods of the moon, right, from there directed operations to hold
Venus and Lucifer in check. So the moon was there to hold Venus in check of its reign over
the Earth. Right. Previously, he was part of the seven holding Satan, Saturn, in check.
And then this freaking Lucifer guy shows up and one of them is like, all right, I got this,
I got it. That almost gives me another way back into pan-spermia, not pan-spermia, but pan-psychism,
this idea that everything has a consciousness, right? Every part of every being, right? So
if you think of the sun god as an entity, it's a collection of smaller particles that create
this entire, this whole that we see. It's then a collective consciousness. So you could think
of a collective consciousness not being a singular thing, and a part of it could go and spark
life on whatever else. So if our theories are correct of the moon being artificial and having
life on it, or being life, it has some purpose. So that's interesting, because it also follows
from the point he kept making earlier that, uh, that the way that these gods reproduce
isn't exactly reproduction. In a way, it's immortality. It's an extension of themselves. Yep. So maybe
in that sense, the moon came from the sun, broke off from the seven. Yeah. But that also makes
me think of like the, you know, so let's say the moon isn't an artificial satellite and
it was created from whatever protoplanet hit the primordial pre-Earth and knocked a big
chunk out of it that became the moon. Well then it's almost like an analogy in the multi-layers.
that has above so below, like that's that analogy of like Earth being like literally attacked
as life is starting to come up, it gets wiped out. And then the moon has to spin off and
become created to like, to balance and create the seasons and create the order and the rhythms
in order to keep. I don't know if we could do it real quick on your on your PC, but you should
look up the Neil deGrasse Tyson quote or like the short like it's a short video on His Man,
it's like a really inspirational supposedly inspirational type of video of his but it's
talking about his like how why human should feel large in the universe not small when they
just look that up and we'll have to play it or link it at least look at videos try to find
a video
Yeah, right there, the third one down. Says, recognize that the very molecules that make
up your body, the atoms that construct the molecules, are traceable to the crucibles that were once
the centers of high mass stars that exploded their chemically rich guts into the galaxy,
enriching pristine gas clouds with the chemistry of life so that we are all connected to each
other biologically, to the Earth chemically and to the rest of the universe and the universe.
atomically. That's kind of cool. That makes me smile and I actually feel quite large at
the end of that. It's not that we are better than the universe. We are a part of the universe.
We are in the universe and the universe is in us. That sounds like Parthenogenesis to me.
And you know that's a very outspoken
freaking star going supernova and spewing itself out to create new elements, new worlds, new
planets, new phases of life. Absolutely. Yeah, that one. That are made up of it, right? Yep.
And there are different parts of the universe that might seed or have the founding layers
within it to take in that life and create its own new life. from it. But there's other parts
that instead of that, it's all it looks like is a dark wave of matter being moved through
it and nothing seeds, but all you see is this disturbance and maybe millennia down the road
something might happen from this seeding. But it's a fascinating quote and that's totally
in line with what we're talking about. And I'll go straight back into the book here at the
very last page of chapter four. This great cosmic battle against Venus was remembered in cultures
around the world. For example, in the story of Krishna's battle with the snake demon Kalia,
in Apollo's battle with the python, and of Perseus, one of whose attributes was a mirror shield,
combating the sexually ravenous dragon that threatened Andromeda. The Jehovah of the Old
Testament is a jealous, angry, and warlike god. In Hebrew tradition, Jehovah's forces are led
by Archangel Michael, as the book of Revelation has it. And there was a war in heaven. Michael
and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon fought against his angels. And the
great dragon was cast out. That old serpent, which deceiveth the whole world, was cast out
into the earth. Cast out into the earth. Yeah. Because this is kind of the same idea of the
Titans, you know, like the Titans being. That's the part where once they start talking about
dragons there, that's where I'm hearing Randall's voice in my head. And you're like, uh, that
sounds like Impex. Let me finish this quick. It's literally one paragraph here. We have
seen that then, that in the third great act of the drama of creation, the god of the moon
won a great victory. So began the era of the moon. The first three epochs of the cosmos,
the mineral, the vegetable, and the animal eras, Saturn Day, Sunday, and Moon Day, are remembered
in the names of the first three days of the week. These days of the week are named after
these three heavenly bodies in a particular order from which, for this reason alone. Dang.
That's cool. Yeah. Saturn. So that finishes chapter four. And yeah, I've read into chapter
six in preparation for this. I knew this would happen. But we're well over our time. And I
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